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Nope. It is an FN that I bought in 1998 at a pawn shop when I was living in Kansas. It came in a beautifully made maple Weatherby'ish stock. The barrel is stamped "C-D Gunshop Wiesbaden" and the story was that a chap in the Army brought it back many years ago. It was in as new condition. The wood stock came off of the AR forum. I bedded it and Karnis refinished it adding the ebony forend tip and crossbolt.


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Originally Posted by gunner500
Thanks Main, I knew I could count on you. lol

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Originally Posted by EdM
Nope. It is an FN that I bought in 1998 at a pawn shop when I was living in Kansas. It came in a beautifully made maple Weatherby'ish stock. The barrel is stamped "C-D Gunshop Wiesbaden" and the story was that a chap in the Army brought it back many years ago. It was in as new condition. The wood stock came off of the AR forum. I bedded it and Karnis refinished it adding the ebony forend tip and crossbolt.

Should have know Karnis had a hand in that project...

Beautiful gun, but you have a bunch of fine guns. I never get tired of looking at them.

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Originally Posted by EdM
Nope. It is an FN that I bought in 1998 at a pawn shop when I was living in Kansas. It came in a beautifully made maple Weatherby'ish stock. The barrel is stamped "C-D Gunshop Wiesbaden" and the story was that a chap in the Army brought it back many years ago. It was in as new condition. The wood stock came off of the AR forum. I bedded it and Karnis refinished it adding the ebony forend tip and crossbolt.


Well it is a very nice looking rifle!!!!! Love it's lines!


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I know about the C and H ring business, but I have never heard about those actions being too hard. Where did you hear that? What I've read is that most Mausers, except for crude wartime production, are surface hardened, but ductile underneath.

Sounds like a job for Mule Deer, who has played with these a good bit, I believe.

I think RinB meant they were too "hard" for you to keep. He was offering his rescue services to take those defective actions off your hands, for your protection, of course... shocked

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I don't think I need any help in that department; I seem to be able to get rid of them all by myself. The last one, at least, is still in the family if not in my hands. Hope I do a better job hanging on to the Bofors Steel Sako that's coming soon.


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Let me be clear about "hard". Some of the FN actions made for the JC Higgins rifles were excessively hard on the RockwellC scale. They need to be "drawn" to be slightly softer. Said another way to make them less brittle. I am talking about the H ring type which I have always heard described as "double broached". The 1950 series FN actions have a C ring, are made from great steel, and have the C ring. I want all of those I can find. Don't give me a JC with the H ring!
Some of the SAKO and Husky's are also made of great steel and correctly hardened I hear but have no personal knowledge there.

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Yeah, those Swedes do know how to make steel.

What year did FN go from C to H?

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Originally Posted by RinB
Let me be clear about "hard". Some of the FN actions made for the JC Higgins rifles were excessively hard on the RockwellC scale. They need to be "drawn" to be slightly softer. Said another way to make them less brittle. I am talking about the H ring type which I have always heard described as "double broached". The 1950 series FN actions have a C ring, are made from great steel, and have the C ring. I want all of those I can find. Don't give me a JC with the H ring!
Some of the SAKO and Husky's are also made of great steel and correctly hardened I hear but have no personal knowledge there.


Curious. Were there any known safety issues with H-ring FN actions with regards to brittleness? Or was the 'hardness' a gunsmithing problem ie D&T and surface grinding?

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Carbon, I was wondering the same thing here! Good info, this thread!


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Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer
Yeah, those Swedes do know how to make steel.

What year did FN go from C to H?

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That they do. A Jim Wisner M96 7x57.

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Kaywoodie,

The pic of your 146 Husqvarna appears to have the L shape cocking piece unique to M96 but you said that your 146 is a M98 . Is the cocking piece appearance just an artifact of the pic?

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Quit it right now Ed!!! Too early in the morning for awesome rifle porn!!

I've got a whole day ahead of me! wink


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I have a four digit (4XXX) FN Banner rifle with the Browning style bolt shroud, trigger w/the three position sliding safety, and steel floor plate. The barrel is a gracefully contoured, perhaps chrome lined, 24" .30-06. A small factory looking caliber marking is the only marking on the barrel.

It wears a trim custom stock, not fancy wood, but remarkable in execution. Short forearm, oak leaf edged fine line checkering, rust bluing and a German silver grip cap finish off the rifle. Oh yes, a Neidner checkered steel butt plate. It shoots 180 light magnums very close to an inch. I bought a large supply of that back in the day, but it is about gone. Everything I pull the trigger on with that one dies.

I also have a matched pair of Browning Safaris on the small ring FN in .243 and .308 with pencil barrels. These rifles are amazingly accurate for three shots. Never shot for five as they are not target built guns.

IMHO, blue printing these three would be a waste of time and money. The work just fine as they are. They were built with old world craftsmanship.

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Originally Posted by carbon12
Kaywoodie,

The pic of your 146 Husqvarna appears to have the L shape cocking piece unique to M96 but you said that your 146 is a M98 . Is the cocking piece appearance just an artifact of the pic?


Yes. It's a straight 98 thru and thru. That pic kinda sucks. I took it spur of the moment on that stump headed back to camp last elk season.

I have another 146 that wifey gave me. It's still a x 57. One of the reasons I snagged the one I rechambered to x62 was it was a 98 and it had an excellent bore.


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Carbon, here's a better pic of the bolt shroud.

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Yep. M98.

Unusual forward sweep on the bolt handle. Kinda like the MAS 36. Any reason for that?

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That's the way I got it! Long too! I've caught a lot of flak over that bolt handle! LOL! But I kinda like it!!!! Sure is easy to get to and it doesn't get in the way any worse than a more conventional handle. I'm afraid to change it now. Take all the "medicine" out of it! wink


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Looking at the vintage Husqvarna Mausers that Simpson LTD imports from Sweden, some of those old time Swedes have some funky mods.

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Originally Posted by EdM
Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer
Yeah, those Swedes do know how to make steel.

What year did FN go from C to H?

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That they do. A Jim Wisner M96 7x57.

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Top of the heap.

M96 are small ring actions but the pics show what looks to be a large ring action. Was the action surface ground/milled to resemble a large ring, perhaps to reduce weight?

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simpsons sure does have a ton of 9.3s

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