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I believe some folks 'bad experiences' with Barnes are when they are marginally stabilized. You just can't spin them too fast and mo spin is better.
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For long range shooting in the west and where deer or coyotes are the game I will take the 22-250'every time. I consider 300 yards a long shot if the wind is blowing or an animal is moving in any significant vegetation. I agree 400 is not long range off a bench but standing 30 ft high in a windmill or on the side holding on and shooting through it without hitting stabilizing structure or from the ladder up the side of a pump jack at 20 feet is about all I can handle.
Federal lists their 223 55 gr sp at 3240 fps and the 55 gr sp 22-250 at 3650 fps. That's 410 fps faster. Energy at 300 yds is 500fp vs 620, which is 20 % more than the 223.
200 yd sight in is 1.5 in high at 100 vs .9 in high for the 22-250 which leaves a little more than 5 in of difference at 400 yds.
I sight 2 in high at 100 with the 22-250 which leaves me about 14 in low at 400.
I use the 223 for calling coyotes at night as I won't be shooting over 300 and 1 in high at 100 allows head shots at night.
I sometimes shoot does with the 223 in the late doe season with 60 federal bonded NP. The same bullet in the 22-250 is death on deer to 400 yds.
The 223 is even weaker than the numbers above indicate if one is using a short barrel version in the AR platform and wind drift disparity becomes a real problem, for me anyway, at longer ranges.
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Start slinging 75's and get back to me.
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If I want to shoot 75's I will use a case with enough powder to move them out at 3500+..
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Well said. I also have a Little Miss pre 64 fwt 243 who doesn't get enough opportunity.
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If being stupid allows me to believe in Him, I'd wish to be a retard. Eisenhower and G Washington should be good company.
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The little 223 and 22/250 are not enough to kill a deer cleanly.
Only those who don't care or don't know would do it as a stunt.
All guns should be locked up when not in use!
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Its been awhile since I told you this Don�
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The little 223 and 22/250 are not enough to kill a deer cleanly.
Only those who don't care or don't know would do it as a stunt.
More people aren't capable of killing with 22's, or anything else for that matter, than what cartridges and bullets cannot muster. Those who don't know, don't know much, haven't done much or call it stunt don't care....
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For long range shooting in the west and where deer or coyotes are the game I will take the 22-250'every time. I consider 300 yards a long shot if the wind is blowing or an animal is moving in any significant vegetation. I agree 400 is not long range off a bench but standing 30 ft high in a windmill or on the side holding on and shooting through it without hitting stabilizing structure or from the ladder up the side of a pump jack at 20 feet is about all I can handle.
Federal lists their 223 55 gr sp at 3240 fps and the 55 gr sp 22-250 at 3650 fps. That's 410 fps faster. Energy at 300 yds is 500fp vs 620, which is 20 % more than the 223.
200 yd sight in is 1.5 in high at 100 vs .9 in high for the 22-250 which leaves a little more than 5 in of difference at 400 yds.
I sight 2 in high at 100 with the 22-250 which leaves me about 14 in low at 400.
I use the 223 for calling coyotes at night as I won't be shooting over 300 and 1 in high at 100 allows head shots at night.
I sometimes shoot does with the 223 in the late doe season with 60 federal bonded NP. The same bullet in the 22-250 is death on deer to 400 yds.
The 223 is even weaker than the numbers above indicate if one is using a short barrel version in the AR platform and wind drift disparity becomes a real problem, for me anyway, at longer ranges.
I'll play...if only because this schit is so funny. 18" 223AI/75A-Max at 3050fps,if only to burn up some more '2200. ![[Linked Image]](http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/534/3gd4.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v136/BigStick/Stuff/Rifle%20Stuff/IMG_0036.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/850/96w9.png) It's 300yd "energy" is 985 ft lbs or 50%+ greater than that oh so "speedy" 22-250/55gr's "advantage" cited. It'll make the cited 620# at 575yds,or nearly TWICE as far. So much for Short Barrel Syndrome. Cheer up,I've got 'em(same chambering) in 20,21,22,23,24 and 26" too. Hint. Be happy to talk wind too. Re-hint. It'll reach 1100yds+ on the reticle alone and a mile easily. Re-re-hint. I just don't know how them 75's would do on Critters. Laffin'! Boolits matter more than headstamps. Just sayin'. 'Hunter, Cite a 75...it'll be [bleep] funny. Dare ya'. Hint. Don, You poor poor stupid [bleep],you couldn't pick up a 75...let alone know what the [bleep] to do with it. Feel free to conjure up some more Imagination and Pretend,then wax eloquent on all the things you almost did,the wares you almost did 'em with and the places you almost did 'em. Looking forward to another Whine. Bless your heart. Hawk', It's never been tough to cypher who shoots and who drools.(grin)
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Well said. I also have a Little Miss pre 64 fwt 243 who doesn't get enough opportunity. Stupid is always fun to watch
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If I want to shoot 75's I will use a case with enough powder to move them out at 3500+.. What you shooting to push 75's at 3500+?
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A Goat [bleep] slow twist 243Win and Ping Pong Ball BC's.
Though I'll giver her another chance to flaunt her Imagination and conjure more Pretend,if only to knock it outta da' Park.
The silence,in fairness...is fairly [bleep] deafening.
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Well said. I also have a Little Miss pre 64 fwt 243 who doesn't get enough opportunity. Stupid is always fun to watch Steel, I didn't say I loaded the 243 to 3500 fps now did I? So, what's wrong with pre64 fwt 243's if I may ask?
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If being stupid allows me to believe in Him, I'd wish to be a retard. Eisenhower and G Washington should be good company.
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A Goat [bleep] slow twist 243Win and Ping Pong Ball BC's.
Though I'll giver her another chance to flaunt her Imagination and conjure more Pretend,if only to knock it outta da' Park.
The silence,in fairness...is fairly [bleep] deafening.
Laffin'! Boxer, the OP was asking about the 223 cartridge vs the 22-250 cartridge, iirc. But go ahead and live by the lie that the exception proves the rule. Oh, btw, did you call Federal and tell them their ballistic charts are pure BS? See if you can straighten them out, please. Of course you'd be doing the shooting world a real favor. Eye
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I have one of each. They do different things. There will always be room for both.
I like the .22-250 more because I feel it is more versatile thanks to its added power and range. I have one of each as well. Faux TI in 22/250 with 53gr TSX for deer and a heavier 700 223 for range blasting and such. The 22/250 makes a better platform than a 223AI for deer.
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The little 223 and 22/250 are not enough to kill a deer cleanly.
Only those who don't care or don't know would do it as a stunt.
This coming from the same fullah that states a 257Roberts isn't enough for deer as well. 
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A Goat [bleep] slow twist 243Win and Ping Pong Ball BC's.
Though I'll giver her another chance to flaunt her Imagination and conjure more Pretend,if only to knock it outta da' Park.
The silence,in fairness...is fairly [bleep] deafening.
Laffin'! Why do you need that AI going for you if 400 fps difference in velocity in a 223 vs 22-250 is negligible?
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time by the blood of patriots and tyrants.
If being stupid allows me to believe in Him, I'd wish to be a retard. Eisenhower and G Washington should be good company.
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Steel, I didn't say I loaded the 243 to 3500 fps now did I?
So, what's wrong with pre64 fwt 243's if I may ask?
His dumbazz don't own one.
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Ooh Ooh Ooh, let me scoot to the edge of my chair in anticipation of what Take a Krap will say next. Wonder if his Volvo will make it to Idaho.
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Ooh Ooh Ooh, let me scoot to the edge of my chair in anticipation of what Take a Krap will say next. Wonder if his Volvo will make it to Idaho. GFY, and my HONDA did make it to Idaho.
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