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a gunsmith from a hunting camp down the road from ours, had a similar issue with a Rem 700, and a aftermarket barrel, and now he wont touch a Remington as far as a barrel change goes. its nothing more than the big companies wanting you to ship guns back to them.

Would another maker warranty that?

I got my answer

your exactly correct MagMarc, heck! just altar a trigger on any firearm, and you void the warranty.

As I stated in my reply to the dumbass PM you sent me this morning, either produce a work order and receipt from Ruger or STFU. It's dickheads like you who ruin the internet.

Your pissed over something that clearly voids the stated warranty. A manufacturer has no idea if they were at fault or the smith screwed up the job and tried to blame them.

It's quite likely the entire tale is just that: a tale. The only difference between what this moron posted and a fairy tale is a fairy tale begins with "Once upon a time..."

It is easy to see where Remington would not back their warranty after an after market barrel ruined the threads in the action. The threads on the barrel were more than likely cut too large or with the wrong pitch.

Bricktop, here is my response to you in a PM:

If you send me your email address, I will send you some macro pics of the barrel and receiver that are screwed up on this new Ruger 77. I don't know if my neighbor has the work order or not.

The incident happened exactly as I stated. The gunsmith that took the Ruger apart is Ray Bowman of Precision Rifle and tool in Mebane, NC Phone 336-214-5381

I am as shocked as you are that Ruger would not warranty the rifle at all. After checking with Greg Tannel of Gre-Tan Rifles, this happens frequently.

Any of you that have dealt with Gre-Tan Rifles, Greg Tannel, knows that he is not fool when it comes to being a machinist and gunsmith.

And as I stated in my reply, none of those "details" means squat. A third party -- in this case the "gunsmith" -- can cause the damage and all you have are pictures of a damaged rifle and a gunsmith's denial. IT DOESN'T MEAN SQUAT. Unless you can produce a work order from Ruger and their correspondence -- routine and minor items provided for ANY firearm sent to them for work -- detailing THEIR side of this tale, it remains just that: A TALE.
Dumbass.

Picture is worth a thousand words:

http://s1160.photobucket.com/user/ackleyman/media/Ruger012.jpg.html?sort=3&o=34

http://s1160.photobucket.com/user/ackleyman/media/Ruger2009.jpg.html?sort=3&o=23

http://s1160.photobucket.com/user/ackleyman/media/Ruger2003.jpg.html

This is a picture of threads that were cross threaded and epoxy in the front trigger guard screw hole. The front guard screw had to be drilled out and removed with an eezy out.

http://s1160.photobucket.com/user/ackleyman/media/Ruger2004.jpg.html?sort=3&o=27

This picture shows where the first thread tried to cross thread and the thread tore instead. The large hunk of metal then tried to re-thread the action threads.

http://s1160.photobucket.com/user/ackleyman/media/Ruger2004.jpg.html?sort=3&o=27

More torn Barrel threads

http://s1160.photobucket.com/user/ackleyman/media/Ruger016.jpg.html?sort=3&o=31

Torn Action threads

Anyone that thinks that a gunsmith can damage threads of an action or barrel by simply clamping the barrel in a barrel vise and applying pressure on an action wrench has NEVER removed a barrel personally....they screw on and screw off with ease if they are threaded properly!

The work order from Ruger stated that the QC person rejected the repair, then sent the gun to a second committee and they rejected the repair also.

Ruger botched the assembly of this barrel and action by starting either the action onto the barrel crooked or vise a versa. They tried to cover it up by filling the barrel threads full of epoxy which ran down into the front guard screw. They glued in the front guard screw where it could not be removed, which in effect did not allow the owner to take the action out of the stock.

Ruger did in fact offer my friend a blued rifle not of the caliber that is damaged for the nifty sum of $500.

Good luck to all that wish to build a custom rifle on a Ruger, have barrel cut off, have a muzzle break added, or have a barrel re-contoured. I built two customs on Ruger 77 tang blued models years ago, friend has one custom built on a new stainless Mark II action that came out OK.

This is a perfect example of Schitty Customer service that is controlled by bean counters...be FOREWARNED!!! Customer service ain't always customer service. If you pull a Ruger apart and find that they did a first class job of [bleep] up, Shame on you for taking it apart!

It still doesn't prove the smith didn't bugger it.

Would Remington, Winchester, or any other manufacturer warrant that?

I had to use Ruger's service department once and was treated great.

Wow. You can post links to Photobucket and tell fairy tales. But no work order or correspondence from Ruger. Moron.

I've used them several times for my AC556 and other odds and ends including the bent barrel fiasco on my stainless Model 77 Hawkeye. Nary a hitch, but then again, I wasn't tearing up a gun due to half-assed "gunsmithing" and then asking Ruger to cover it.

MagMarc, It is obvious that you have never taken a barrel off of any action or you would not make a comment like, "It still doesn't prove the smith didn't bugger it". Barrels screw on and screw off when done properly...it is just that simple. Look at all the pictures again. You will see that big bugger that is on the leading thread of the barrel, you will see how that big bugger just ate up the threads in the action, then backing the barrel out, just ate up more threads.

MagMarc, gunsmith's can't cross thread a barrel and action while removing an barrel, the threads had to be gauled and torn badly during assembly. Barrel Removal just made the whole situation obvious.

I too used Ruger's service dept once and they did a stellar job on an SR9.

My buddy is out a ton of money due to piss poor craftsman ship in the assembly of this gun plus piss poor customer service. They had idiots for QC on the return that did not know how this "accident" happened during assembly. Then they had a tight AZZ bean counter as head of QC that rejected the repair.

I am going to get back with Ruger after I get the paperwork from the gunsmith where Ruger shipped the gun back to him. I hope to have a good report from Ruger later on, but I am not going to hold my breath. I think that the gunsmith put the return paperwork on his wall as a warning to all Ruger owners that walk in the door and want him to re-barrel their Ruger rifles. We have all had such good luck with Ruger over the years, it is hard to stomach such CRAPPY Customer service on obvious piss poor workmanship. A Ruger stainless, laminated 6.5 Creedmore is no cheap rifle to piss away, close to $1000 by the time you get dies and brass.

From a gunsmith's perspective, He had to drill out the front guard screw, then remove the front guard screw with an eezy out, Remove the barrel, box up the gun and mail it to Ruger, and then had to tell the customer that Ruger had returned his gun in parts that he could not repair! That is a lot of work on the part of the gunsmith that he did for free!

My friend went and bought a used Remington 700 Good to turn into a 6.5 Creedmore since he has all the dies and brass. So, the gunsmith will be able to re-coup some of his time spend on this Ruger mess.

As to the question as to whether or not Remington or Winchester or other makers would warranty their product, the first question that comes to mind is how many times would they be asked to warranty an issue like this? Factory action with factory barrel unscrewed tore all to hell!

So if/when I post the paper work, then what will you have to say? Just more BS!!!!

Call the dumbass gunsmith(Ray Bowman) and start spouting your BS to him! He is a specialist in building F class and 1000 yd rifles!

Then after you get through getting your azz chewed out by him, call Greg Tannel of Gre-Tan rifles, he will really set your azz straight, Greg is a master machinist and gunsmith of the highest caliber also.

The only thing "tore all to hell" is your as$h0le from this moronic fairy tale. Yes, we all know the basic mechanics of threads and how barrels are secured to actions, dickweed. You keep dancing around the issues here. What occurred during the interim after the barrel was removed? OH YEAH, YOU AIN'T GOING TO TALK ABOUT THAT.

You will never post anything that tells the complete story. The only reason you continue to respond at this point is your ego. You've been caught in a lie and you're doing whatever you can to save face. You keep dropping names of no consequence, adding details that cannot be verified, and otherwise pad your fairy tale. But you won't post any official correspondence from Ruger or post a work order from Ruger. I would imagine you're trying to forge something now. Moron.

This is funny. Bricktop could never prove he's anything but a total fruckin retard.

Bricktop, I think that the fairy tale is you having a brain to think with, you absolutely resemble your avatar!

And yet another reply with no work order and no Ruger correspondence. Your ass has been had.

Here's what an invoice/work order from Ruger looks like:



As soon as you and Ackman can come up for air from sucking each other's dicks, see if he can rustle up something like this in his Photobucket account for you, dicknose.