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Shakri,

Thanks for the info. I wondered if that was it. Sort of like the way we sex middle sized hogs here. If you can see the nuts, it's a boy.

I imagine that with Leopards you have a pretty good idea of size before you shoot, as there is the bait to use as reference, though I imagine there was no doubt with any of the cats posted on this thread.

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Jorge,

Thanks for sharing the trophy leopard pic and story, thats a trophy in anybody's book. May the Hunt Gods bless you soon too.

JJ,

Did you shoot that B&C lion with your '06? Interbonds? Were you calling alone or with a pard? Calls?

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JJ -So what is more wrong, having someone else post a picture of your leopard that doesn't show it's scale well, or posting your own picture with someone else's mountain lion with your name emblazoned across it and then not answering the question when someone asks if you shot it? -Maytag

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Well, Mr. Maytag, I was unaware of the time constraints to reply to all questions anyone askes of me here. I must have missed that part of the rules when I signed up?

There is nothing wrong with any part of this thread to my observation. It's a good series of posts which is as far as I can tell what this forum is all about! I think there is a very big leopard shown in a poor photo to represent it's full magnitude. If anything was taken any other way then the person reading that into the thread has an issue with his own comprehension.

That lion photo has my name across it because it's been cut and pasted so many times now with other peoples faces that I won't post it without that label again. You must be unaware of the history behind this photo and the 30 plus states it's been killed in along with the dozens of regional newspaper stories telling of the events in dozens of different ways in each of those locations by dozens of different people. Do a web search if your so inclined. No point in me telling you anything as it's clear from your posts where I'm concerned that you only wish to disrupt things.

I'm not sure why this is, but during your short 63 post lifetime here you have more then a few times been a very negative and rude poster here, with me and others. It's obvious enough to us that people just ignore you already. I must admit that is quite an accomplishment within only 63 posts!

It's too bad that you're so unhappy with your life that your only happieness is visiting a site like this to attempt to stir the pot!

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Good grief Man you all but called John Sharp a friggen liar and a cheat. It wasn't so long ago you left the campfire because some fool on the internet attacked your character and buisiness. You had good reason to be PO'd. Now you come back and do the same thing to a man with an excellent reputation and he is not even here to defend himself!
Apparently a number of us have comprehension issues because your posts on this strand IMO most certainly DO NOT reflect what this forum is all about.
Perhaps you might consider dedicating some of that energy to finishing the prizes for the postal match.

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JJ -Two posts and twenty-one minutes after you posted a picture you were asked "Jim Wow thats one big cougar, what did you shoot him with?" Then six posts and sixty-seven minutes later you posted a response to the thread and you have now posted a couple times since and you still have not answered the question of what YOU killed the cougar with your name on it with. While berating a respected PH for allowing a picture to be taken that does not allow you to judge the animal. I see where you might consider me to be rude. I have no reason to tell you what I think of you, but I will tell you your opinion means nothing to me. I see your ridiculous chest beating over and over again when you could not possibly be farther off-base. Even here you do not have class enough to apologize. -Maytag

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Stetson,

For sure, the Campfire is all about second-guessing the size of game animals from photos. There have been at least two bear threads most recently that went way over the top with FAR worse stuff than this.

I didn't read the same things into JJHack's posts as you did. I actually thought he questioned the size of the leopard in a tactful manner - better than lots of guys around here do. I know zip about big cats, but that first photo is horrible. It looks more like Snagglepuss ("Heavens to Murgatroid") than a 180-lb. leopard.


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Stetson and maytag you both may need to take a rest from this site or get some reading comprehension training.

"If that leopard is 180 pounds then it's a really bad picture! I would have guessed it at 140, maybe and that would be a big leopard."

That is the exact cut and past quote I put up. If that is calling someone a liar and a cheat you certainly have some very serious issues with reading the English language. It's a comment on a bad photo that does not do justice to the magnitute of the animal.

Another exact quote:
"Don't get me wrong, that's a hella nice leopard, but the photo is horrible to show it's true size if it's in fact 180 pounds."

Where is that calling anyone a cheat? Where does the word cheat come into this thread or any comment I made or for that matter anywhere anyone else has posted it? When was the word cheat stated or even implied a single time?

If I think somebody is full of crap I just simply state that as my opinion, I'm not one to beat around the bush with my opinions here. If you read more then what has been stated here then that's your issue dude, not mine!

I never implied or even remotely suggested that he was a liar or a cheat those are all your words. I simply expressed my opinion that it was a horrible photo of a fantastic trophy!

Another exact quote:
"I would suggest it was a film camera and not a digital. Had they actually seen what a poor view this was with a digital preview screen it would have been taken over from a more flattering angle"

How is that calling anyone a liar or a cheat, it's an opinion of how this poor photo might have been taken.

Another quote along the same lines from this thread:
"This should however be a great lesson to be sure when you photograph your trophies that you take the time to make them right. You never get to go back and do them over once the hide comes off and you're back at home. It would be a hella big shame to know this was the best photo of that magnificent leopard"

Why would I directly state that it's a magnificent leopard within the same thread you claim I am calling him a liar and a cheat? Do you read all the words in these posts or just scan them for your desired end result?

Get a life guys, this is suppose to be fun and entertaining not a freaken battle every time we put up a post!


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There is a wee bit of difference in my book between regular members second guessing and a PH or outfitter talking about another PH or outfitter in a less than favorable light on the open forums, especially armed with nothing more than a photo.

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Here's another few quotes from your posts ...

"here is a 205lb Mtn lion,........ think there is only a 20lb difference? "

And another,

"Much like bear photo's the numbers keep growing unless a scale was used, or girth dimensions known. "

And......

"if it's in fact 180 pounds"

Or Maybe....

"At 180lbs John should be nearly completely hidden behind it, that skinny belly is not consistant with a 180lb leopard"


Your certainly implying that the animal is not anywhere near 180 and you even suggested 140. Call it what you like. I have no problem comprehending your posts.
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JJ -Once again you missed the points. Were you off in that "happy place" that let you get so much insight into rotational velocities? Reading comprehension is not the problem on this end but it is on your end. The question has still not been answered and you are leaving a picture posted that implies you killed an awesome cat and questions the integrity of a PH with a far better reputation than yours. Since you won't even say you didn't kill the cougar, but posed for the picture and planted your name all over it and left off the name of the actual hunter it all adds up to something. And like I said earlier you don't have class enough to apologize. -Maytag

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There's tricks to every trade, and here's one of 'em. Not only do we have to be 110% sure of the sex of the animal we have to comply to a minimum size requirement. I mark the tree with two pieces of reflective tape to show the legal minimum...... then go from there. The pic shows these marks and also shows the vertical branch that forces the cat to show me his nuts as he feeds........ he can't eat without having to go around that branch by stepping onto the lower one. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" /> As far as I'm concerned it's the perfect Leopardy tree and I keep its location a big secret from my competitors.......... last year I even took two monster Leopards from the same tree, less than two weeks apart...

My only criticism of the tree is that the surrounding bush is a bit thick if you have to go looking for a wounded Mr Spots. - You're right on top of the cat before you see it.

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Geez Steve, I can smell that bait from here and I'm upwind <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

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Peter,

So could the Leopards! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

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I can't help but noticing that the Newspaper article used for validation not only clearly states the cat was not shot by Jim but also that it weighed 200 not 205. Apparently there really only was only a 20# difference betwen the Leopard and the Cougar Although 205 - 180 still = 25# !

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How bout we just acknowledge the fact that those are 2 big beautiful cats and let it go at that boys!





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Shakari,

That is a very cool picture of the bait tree. I've seen lots of pictures in books and such but yours clearly shows what you're looking for. Nice job!

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If I ever win the lottery, the first thing I do with the winnings will be to go on a hunt guided by John Sharp. I have a friend from South Africa who worked as a guide and in the game department, and it was evident from the way he spoke about John Sharp that fellow PHs and hunters have a high opinion of the man.

Time to go buy some lottery tickets...


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Pugs,

Thanks, glad you like it - I try to keep a good selection of pics from my hunting activities - The odd one gets published but mostly, they're for my own pleasure. Heck, maybe, I'll write my memoirs one day when I'm even older and greyer than I am now <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />


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Shakari,

Thanks again for the info. I normally detest stand hunting, but I think that hunting Leopard would be an entirely different cup of tea. I imagine that I could muddle through it <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

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