Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire 151 years ago today, the men in my family were headed to Gettysburg

thank you mickey, i am going to remember that.

Not in the least, though that makes it 'convenient' for Yankees.

We act like you wanted to elect Clinton, Obama et al and want to destroy the Constitution. Which, by in large is true.

Plus, you don't get bus loads of Southerners moving to Boston and trying to change shiet.

Savvy?

Then why could the South not ship their cotton to Europe without the North getting their cut? Most of the hard feeling that are left, are from the re-construction period. miles

He's right, the northern farms feed 95% of the nation with produce and livestock......bawhhhahhahahahahaha

Folks, don't be fooled, the war of Federal Aggression (I am gonna start calling it that) was about money, like they all are.

The Feds levied export taxes on the South's raw materials....upwards of 70%, in order to try to get industry going in the North and kill competition from Britain. They elected their boy Lincoln to collect them. The south said hell no we ain't paying it.....GFY we are leaving. So they had the war. All the platitudes about making men free, saving the union, states rights, protecting the homeland, etc....forget that stuff. That is what the elite of the day on both sides conjured up to rile people enough to fight. The reality is it was Rich Uncle Pennybags Vs Colonel Reb....and the armies those two could raise. Both were equally valiant and both fought like hell. The one with the most resources won.

The only real difference about that war vs the American Revolution is that the side pissed about taxes lost.

My opinion is that had the South been allowed to secede peacefully or if we would have won, slavery probably would have died out by 1900 and reunification would have occurred at some point about that time as well.

In retrospect he should have. The North could have got along without their cut and the South needed it. Cotton was still doomed due to being so reliant on cheep labor-it wasn't going to last forever-and the whims of nature. Combined with the fact they sucked the fertility out of the land trying to make it up on volume during the bust years. They always needed more. More cheap labor, more land and more credit. A doomed business.

Europe controlled what cotton was worth. Not much different than the big fur companies controlling the price of fur. The little guy never wins in that environment

We are talking then not now. Or at least most of us are....
Oranges, strawberries, lopes, cows, etc? Back then like I said we didn't need the South. We grew enough up here.

Do you have more than one can of food in your pantry?

That clip always chokes me up.

You forget the tobacco, indigo, rice, and timber that flowed from the South that the Nawth couldn't do without and imposed unconstitutional trade restrictions, tariffs, and eventually blockades to control.

Oh, and the first land shots of the War of Northern Aggression were fired in Baltimore, MD, against CIVILIANS who were attempting to block Federal troops from heading to Annapolis to hold the MD legislature captive. The first shots of any type were fired by Federal ships enforcing an illegal and unconstitutional blockade of Southern ports.

Recall, too, that New England insisted that the right of secession existed amongst and for states during the Mexican-American War and had the SOUTHERN states not brokered a compromise, the high-and-mighty New England states would have seceded then. Of course, just a few years later, those same damnyankee states insisted that no right to seceded existed at all.

The damnyankees did not have the votes to pass legislation in order to outlaw slavery, nor to change the Constitution. So, instead of those lawful acts, they elected an imperialist president who deemed it appropriate to act by executive fiat against the will of the American people; actions that ultimately resulted in a Federal war of aggression.

If that last part sounds eerily familiar, it should.

Tobacco was the same as cotton. Timber? Like we didn't have any?

As far as the rest, history has and always will have twists.

I think it was John Adams who said: "A bad peace is often better than a good war." Whoever said it, it applies to the civil war.

Should have let them go. They would have been back shortly. Broke and looking for a friend.

Why would I do that?

Actually, by about 1860, New England especially had little timber left and the rest of the Northern states were growing thin on timber reserves.

The North had little to no export goods or products; they relied on the Southern raw materials for their production of damned near everything. That would not have left the damnyankees in a good fiscal position, and that was entirely the reason that the imperialist president (y'all are good at electing them) abrogated the Constitution.

"Broke and looking for a friend" is an idiotic statement from someone deficient on facts and strong on hubris.

I should have said broke, looking for a friend along with an internal revolution on their hands when they couldn't feed themselves let alone the Blacks. The CW just postponed it.

Addition: they could have feed themselves, but it takes real money to make the wheels turn.

Yep, you're an idiot. Thanks for playing.

And y'all can kiss my white Irish Yankee ass.

Then you can GFY

Ah, Irish. You were just conscripted cannon fodder. If your ancestors had a [bleep]' clue, they'd have shoved a potato up the azz of the first damnyankee in a blue coat and told them to piss off. Instead, a fifth of whiskey and a rifle, and the Irish who came here for freedom sold themselves into Federal slavery and allegiances with gov't backed unions.

No curiosity as to which side you vote for and whether your dollars support socialist union agendas in Schittsburgh.

We found it. You-excuse me y'all- are still chained to the past.

Straight gun rights voter here.

Yeah, sure you're a straight gun rights voter. PA unionistas are "known" for that.

You avoided any hint of a clue as to the economics of the war, or of the South v North in relation to raw materials or trade. The reasons there are obvious. Another hint is that this thread is about the past; ergo, the discuss is on point. A further hint would be the fact that your drunken-azz Irish ancestors were conscripts sold into slavery to fight for something they didn't understand just so they could be government lackeys in places like Schittsburg and Baaaston for generation - all the while those that sold you down the river were doing the same to the rest of the nation and passing lovely little laws against your kind (figure out the history of gun control in the US, while you're trying to find a clue).

A point of fact remains that the Irish were the damnyankee's ni-gg-ers then and they remain about that now.

Did work for a union once. Firing up a coal boiler on a riverboat. I was in school and the job pretty much paid for my education. Haven't since, but take from it what you want.

However, doubt if you could handle that particular job. Come to think of it there was more than a few Irish on those river and derik boats. Iron workers also.

Point in fact? I'm proud of being Irish. Beats being a piece of trash all to hell and back. Y'all get it.