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Me too, I remember reading JOC writing the factory .280 ammo was loaded down in pressure for use in the semi autos. He also mentioned the .280 didn't seem to be very popular compared to his favorite .270.

The .280 Remington is what the .270 is hoping to be. JOC even said so, and Carmichael backs that up. (Really doesn't matter unless you want to load 7mm bullets.)

Despite what others say about the .270 being "queer" I still own and use them.

Not that theres anything wrong with that��..

He did,IIRC it was a Ruger M77 .280. Al Beisen was working on it when O'Connor died.

I doubt Winchester paid JOC a dime....he was a relative unknown when he bought his first 270 (M54),and started writing about the cartridge.He really did not become a factor in its popularity until a good many years later.

In the context of the time, the 270 may have made more sense.

If you neck a 30/06 case to 7mm you essentially have a 7x64 Brenneke, a cartridge that had been in existence for 12-15 years before the 270 came out.Winchester wanted a lighter bullet,lower recoiling,and higher velocity offering for the M54 than the 30/06, but still compatible with the M54 receiver. Chambering for another 7mm just like the 7x64 would not fill the bill from a marketing standpoint and made no sense if you wanted a proprietary cartridge for a new rifle.

And why offer another cartridge, the bullets for which were very close to what was offered in the 30/06 and offered no advantage over either one? Besides, the M54 got chambered for the 7x57 as well.

I think Winchester guessed right....the 270 Winchester was likely the most popular bolt action cartridge with non military origins of the 20th century.It still has not blinked in popularity except among target shooters.Hunters still buy it in droves.

Unlike the cartridges having military origins and rifles and ammo subsidized by the American taxpayer, the 270 earned its spurs in the game fields and in the rough and tumble of the capitalist system. If it did not work, it simply would not have survived. Period.

I think the OP is reading too much into seeing a lot of 270's on the used gun rack; they have always been "common" because the cartridge is enormously popular,like Mule Deer said.I see as many 30/06's on the used racks. Even today,the cartridge continually ranks in the top ten in ammo sales and die sales and rifle sales.....to the chagrin of many 280 owners.What's funny is that I never see many CF pets on the racks nor in the hunting fields....I see plenty of 270's in both places.

I won't comment on the wisdom of the younger generation. They helped give us Barrack Obama.This throws their judgement on any subject into question.

+1 Excellent post.

I doubt Winchester paid JOC a dime....he was a relative unknown when he bought his first 270 (M54),and started writing about the cartridge.He really did not become a factor in its popularity until a good many years later.

In the context of the time, the 270 may have made more sense.

If you neck a 30/06 case to 7mm you essentially have a 7x64 Brenneke, a cartridge that had been in existence for 12-15 years before the 270 came out.Winchester wanted a lighter bullet,lower recoiling,and higher velocity offering for the M54 than the 30/06, but still compatible with the M54 receiver. Chambering for another 7mm just like the 7x64 would not fill the bill from a marketing standpoint and made no sense if you wanted a proprietary cartridge for a new rifle.

And why offer another cartridge, the bullets for which were very close to what was offered in the 30/06 and offered no advantage over either one? Besides, the M54 got chambered for the 7x57 as well.

I think Winchester guessed right....the 270 Winchester was likely the most popular bolt action cartridge with non military origins of the 20th century.It still has not blinked in popularity except among target shooters.Hunters still buy it in droves.

Unlike the cartridges having military origins and rifles and ammo subsidized by the American taxpayer, the 270 earned its spurs in the game fields and in the rough and tumble of the capitalist system. If it did not work, it simply would not have survived. Period.

I think the OP is reading too much into seeing a lot of 270's on the used gun rack; they have always been "common" because the cartridge is enormously popular,like Mule Deer said.I see as many 30/06's on the used racks. Even today,the cartridge continually ranks in the top ten in ammo sales and die sales and rifle sales.....to the chagrin of many 280 owners.What's funny is that I never see many CF pets on the racks nor in the hunting fields....I see plenty of 270's in both places.

I won't comment on the wisdom of the younger generation. They helped give us Barrack Obama.This throws their judgement on any subject into question.

I doubt Winchester paid JOC a dime....he was a relative unknown when he bought his first 270 (M54),and started writing about the cartridge.He really did not become a factor in its popularity until a good many years later.

In the context of the time, the 270 may have made more sense.

If you neck a 30/06 case to 7mm you essentially have a 7x64 Brenneke, a cartridge that had been in existence for 12-15 years before the 270 came out.Winchester wanted a lighter bullet,lower recoiling,and higher velocity offering for the M54 than the 30/06, but still compatible with the M54 receiver. Chambering for another 7mm just like the 7x64 would not fill the bill from a marketing standpoint and made no sense if you wanted a proprietary cartridge for a new rifle.

And why offer another cartridge, the bullets for which were very close to what was offered in the 30/06 and offered no advantage over either one? Besides, the M54 got chambered for the 7x57 as well.

I think Winchester guessed right....the 270 Winchester was likely the most popular bolt action cartridge with non military origins of the 20th century.It still has not blinked in popularity except among target shooters.Hunters still buy it in droves.

Unlike the cartridges having military origins and rifles and ammo subsidized by the American taxpayer, the 270 earned its spurs in the game fields and in the rough and tumble of the capitalist system. If it did not work, it simply would not have survived. Period.

I think the OP is reading too much into seeing a lot of 270's on the used gun rack; they have always been "common" because the cartridge is enormously popular,like Mule Deer said.I see as many 30/06's on the used racks. Even today,the cartridge continually ranks in the top ten in ammo sales and die sales and rifle sales.....to the chagrin of many 280 owners.What's funny is that I never see many CF pets on the racks nor in the hunting fields....I see plenty of 270's in both places.

I won't comment on the wisdom of the younger generation. They helped give us Barrack Obama.This throws their judgement on any subject into question.