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So far this thread has perhaps the highest ratio of irrational rifle-loony posts as any I've seen in a long time. You are correct. Everybody knows the .240 Weatherby is better...
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When he went to Africa and took a 7mm mag, he said it couldn't even compare to the 270. The 270 was superior in every aspect. That's when I stopped reading his stuff. Is this a irrational rifle-loony post?
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In "The Rifle Book" on page 237 Jack says, "The 7-mm Magnum should be a very effective and successful cartridge for any North American big game. With the 150 gr bullet the trajectory is a little flatter than that of the fine .270."
Maybe he had bullet problems in Africa or something.
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"The 6mm case LOOKS larger than the 243 because it's longer (taller) but IF you measure the difference of the cases you'll find the 243 is 'fatter' and the 6mm is more slender, therefore the capacities are NOT that different. "
Jack said he liked the shape of the 6mm case better. I do, too. Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder.
It is like two pretty girls, side by side, who weigh within a couple of pounds of each other. I happen to prefer the one that is two inches taller and slightly thinner.
No one has (yet) said the .243 is gay, but I do think the 6mm case is sexier. To each his own, and something for everybody.
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Yep, I also like the ' looks ' of the 6 mm better.
I was only showing the loading capabilities of both using the 'same' components.
I'm not saying the powder 'charges' are the exact same but they will be close and the velocities will be very similar, with the possible exception of different tolerances in chamber/throat/bore.
At the same time I'll not enter an argument about it.
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I tried really hard not to like the 243 Winchester. I have owned two rifles chambered for said round and still own one. I find it very easy to find an accurate hand load for and it kills deer on down to p-dogs pretty well. Having said that I prefer the 257 Roberts for similar jobs. Just because.
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When he went to Africa and took a 7mm mag, he said it couldn't even compare to the 270. The 270 was superior in every aspect. That's when I stopped reading his stuff. Is this a irrational rifle-loony post? I tend to agree with thinking the the .270 is the better round though I wouldn't call it superior. Nothing about the 7mm RM appeals to me in anyway, had a couple and a few other 7mm's and always went back to the plain old .270 Win.
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Just to kick up the barnyard dust. Have to say the 6mm is the better designed case. Longer neck, longer barrel life and no rumors of pressure excursions. Although if you shoot enough rounds to burn out the throat it probably would get more erratic pressures like any other cartridge.
But I have owned 6-243s and only one 6mm. This was more due to the scarcity of left hand 6mms than anything else.
Maybe it should be called the Ingwe junior to avoid the G-bashing.
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Your conclusion that he was not just marketing agent for Winchester is probably accurate. If he were here today I bet he would have a different view of the 6mm and 243. Although I think he may well still prefer the 6mm If he were here today, he wouldn't be able to find any 6mm brass. I always wanted a 6mm, but never saw one I liked, (pre-WWW days) and finally gave up. The .243 wasn't an option as I was convinced that it wasn't quite as good and had a few issues with case-stretching and erratic pressures (or so I read). Not long ago I got an itch for something in this power bracket, and a little research showed me that the only cartridge with brass readily available was the .243. So now I have a Bofors Steel Sako that I picked up for a reasonable price and while I don't know yet if I'm gonna like the .243, I already like the little Forester a lot. Got some 100gr. Pro Hunters and Partitions, some brass, and about 4 or 5 suitable powders. Here we go.
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I just got the boy a Remington 660 .243 win. with a Leupold 2-7x28 and a Timney trigger. He's gonna run 100 grain Partitions and it should be the perfect woods rifle.
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Maybe it should be called the Ingwe junior to avoid the G-bashing.
Ingwe likey the .243�..
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I like the 243, don't really care what some guy said about it in 1964.
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Shows jack was just as human as anyone of us, and could be wrong as easily.rip jack we miss you !!!
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I prefer the 6mm Rem over the other 24's because i have killed more than 60 deer with the 6mm Rem and have never found it lacking. I also like the 243 Win and will never bad mouth it. My personal opinion the 6mm-06 is the best of the 24's for Big Game Hunting when everything else is said and done. .
A Doe walks out of the woods today and says, that is the last time I'm going to do that for Two Bucks.
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The 243 is gay and is for skinny little wimps that can't handle a REAL rifle.... Sorry someone had to say it after all those posts. I personally like the 7mm line over the 6mm line but have only ever seen one of the mythical 270's in person one time and I dared not hold it... Mostly because the badass Marine that owned it looked like he would wipe the floor with me if I tried:)
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His was a bone stock Browning Abolt that put 5 handloaded SGK rounds through one hole at 200 yards of a bipod. Best shooting I have seen in awhile and he killed a nice buck with it the same year I saw it at 3-400 yards IIRC no flies on the 270
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If you had handled a .270, you would have caught 'the gay'�.
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So,if a person owns a .270 & .243 does that make them bi-sexual?
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I've read the words of a wise man that stated here on the campfire, women and kids can kill deer with a .243 but for some reason gun writers can't. Not a quote but is the intent of the wise man's posts.
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I didn't say that�I plagiarized it FROM a gun writer�.
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