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can't say I'm crazy about the trim color either, the rest I could live with, I'd just get the trim redone


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Never pick a house color directly from color charts alone.
Get a color pack, then drive until you find a home the color you like, then compare that next to the chart. Not from the street. Place the chart (color chip) against the home.

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Suffice it to say I've painted a fair number of houses in my lifetime. I can tell you from my own experience that I would never have entered into a job like that, speaking from the painter's side, without everything in writing, and getting the homeowner's final approval on the color(s). A lot of stores, Sherwin Williams included, will sell you a small sample of the colors you are interested in to test. It's a little more time and money, but a drop in the bucket compared to whole house costs, and the frustration you are now going through as an unhappy homeowner. It can be extremely frustrating as a painter, (and many other trades as well), to try to work with customers that can't make up their minds, or change ideas mid-job, that's why I found it was best for all involved to have every aspect of the job in writing prior to starting. Part of the agreement, in writing, is that if the homeowner does change their mind at some point after the job had started, we would be glad to try to work with them as long as they understood there would be extra costs involved. That seemed to work pretty well, and even tho' there is no way to keep everyone 100% happy, we had a successful business for many years. Unfortunately for you, it sounds like good groundwork was never laid, and now the inevitable remorse. I surely hope this works out for you and you get a color you can be happy with, without emptying your wallet. Good luck to you, keep us posted.


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Originally Posted by 458 Lott
I'm in the middle of choosing colors for a house, and man it's tough. The worst part is you won't know what the colors will look like until its too late. Sherwin Williams does have an app where you can take a picture of the paint on a house and it is supposed to match it, not sure how well that works but it would be worth asking the owner of the house which color you like if you can take some pics of the colors to get a color match, then run it through the SW app and see if they paint your painter used is the same or close to the match.



Sherwin Williams is part of the problem. We chose the colors based on one of their color palates in their Southwest Home pamphlet and the colors on the house don't even match the paint chip. Its not that it looks different when its on the house, the pain chip doesn't match the color so be aware of that when you go in to ask them to color match something

I think at this point it is cheaper to adjust the stucco to match the house and then just change the trim color to make it better. I am not thrilled but we'll figure it out and make it acceptable

Edit to add that he didn't tell me that the stucco he used had a different tint than the Sherwin Williams color we had picked until after the job was completed. This is bull*hit

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Originally Posted by maggie
Suffice it to say I've painted a fair number of houses in my lifetime. I can tell you from my own experience that I would never have entered into a job like that, speaking from the painter's side, without everything in writing, and getting the homeowner's final approval on the color(s). A lot of stores, Sherwin Williams included, will sell you a small sample of the colors you are interested in to test. It's a little more time and money, but a drop in the bucket compared to whole house costs, and the frustration you are now going through as an unhappy homeowner. It can be extremely frustrating as a painter, (and many other trades as well), to try to work with customers that can't make up their minds, or change ideas mid-job, that's why I found it was best for all involved to have every aspect of the job in writing prior to starting. Part of the agreement, in writing, is that if the homeowner does change their mind at some point after the job had started, we would be glad to try to work with them as long as they understood there would be extra costs involved. That seemed to work pretty well, and even tho' there is no way to keep everyone 100% happy, we had a successful business for many years. Unfortunately for you, it sounds like good groundwork was never laid, and now the inevitable remorse. I surely hope this works out for you and you get a color you can be happy with, without emptying your wallet. Good luck to you, keep us posted.


Maggie, I agree with everything you said and I was assured that the paint would "dry darker" and match the color of the stucco and I stopped them within minutes of them starting the trim and and told them it wasn't good and to stop and once I left the house the guy that owns the painting company told them to keep going as it would "dry darker". It didn't and it looks horrible.

His communication was horrible and he wasn't around when the colors were going on. I am going to hold his feet to the fire on this deal and make sure he makes this right. He took liberties that he should not have taken and admitted as much on Tuesday evening. If he admits it again tomorrow when I meet with him to get the receipt it will be on tape and he will get a nasty letter from my buddy. I can't sleep because I am pissed so I might as well cause him a few nights of no sleep as well if he decides not to make this right

Does anybody know if you can paint stucco?

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Not trying to be a smart ass but wouldnt' you have known the color was not what you wanted as soon as he started applying it?

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Originally Posted by Slidellkid
Not trying to be a smart ass but wouldnt' you have known the color was not what you wanted as soon as he started applying it?


I was assured it would "dry darker" and match the stucco. It didn't

I also told him to stop with the trim color. He didn't

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Okay, take a deep breath here, and lets go over a few things, best to approach this kind of situation without the steam rolling out of your ears!

First of all, yes, you can paint stucco.

Secondly, if the clapboard on the house was supposed to match the stucco, a painter with any eye, would have/should have have known that it was not going to "dry down" to match, it's not even in the ballpark.

Third issue..
"(Sherwin Williams is part of the problem. We chose the colors based on one of their color palates in their Southwest Home pamphlet and the colors on the house don't even match the paint chip. Its not that it looks different when its on the house, the pain chip doesn't match the color)"

This is something I would discuss directly with the people at SW, assuming you know the store the paint was bought from. I've bought from SW for many years, and they have always done right by me. If you can show them that the paint they mixed for you does not match their color chip, I'd have a hard time believing they wont make it right. No paint company I know of will stand the labor costs, but on the occasions I've had an actual paint problem, the company will often stand the cost of replacing the paint. Again, my advice is free, so you get what you pay for :), but talk to them with a level head. Let them know that you are unhappy with the end product and why, without blowing a fuse in the store, and see what recourse they might be willing to take. Most companies like SW want good word of mouth advertising, and will work to obtain that, but not so much if someone comes in just complaining without having facts and specifics. (And as a side note to this, are you sure it was actually SW paint? I've seen some contractors buy a can of name brand paint then go get dept. store paint and dump it in the name brand can, it happens.)

Fourth and last for now, sorry to be long winded, talk again to your painter calmly as well, with a specific idea of what you want done, including any monies involved, and get it in writing. One can rant and rave, but it's not the way to start things off and rarely brings the desired results in this type of situation. You can always resort to that later if need be!

Best of luck.







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Originally Posted by maggie
Suffice it to say I've painted a fair number of houses in my lifetime. I can tell you from my own experience that I would never have entered into a job like that, speaking from the painter's side, without everything in writing, and getting the homeowner's final approval on the color(s). A lot of stores, Sherwin Williams included, will sell you a small sample of the colors you are interested in to test. It's a little more time and money, but a drop in the bucket compared to whole house costs, and the frustration you are now going through as an unhappy homeowner. It can be extremely frustrating as a painter, (and many other trades as well), to try to work with customers that can't make up their minds, or change ideas mid-job, that's why I found it was best for all involved to have every aspect of the job in writing prior to starting. Part of the agreement, in writing, is that if the homeowner does change their mind at some point after the job had started, we would be glad to try to work with them as long as they understood there would be extra costs involved. That seemed to work pretty well, and even tho' there is no way to keep everyone 100% happy, we had a successful business for many years. Unfortunately for you, it sounds like good groundwork was never laid, and now the inevitable remorse. I surely hope this works out for you and you get a color you can be happy with, without emptying your wallet. Good luck to you, keep us posted.



Yep, Sometimes if the peeps were real Manhattanite wacko's,I'd charge time for consulting on color,then I'd get signatures. If the owner did not like it after all that,we called it " cha - ching" Colors are a funny thing. Reflective light can make you swear it is not what you picked.
At the paint store,upon purchase of custom colors,we would make them sample the stuff by putting a dab on the color swatch sample.


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Originally Posted by maggie
Okay, take a deep breath here, and lets go over a few things, best to approach this kind of situation without the steam rolling out of your ears!

First of all, yes, you can paint stucco.

Secondly, if the clapboard on the house was supposed to match the stucco, a painter with any eye, would have/should have have known that it was not going to "dry down" to match, it's not even in the ballpark.

Third issue..
"(Sherwin Williams is part of the problem. We chose the colors based on one of their color palates in their Southwest Home pamphlet and the colors on the house don't even match the paint chip. Its not that it looks different when its on the house, the pain chip doesn't match the color)"

This is something I would discuss directly with the people at SW, assuming you know the store the paint was bought from. I've bought from SW for many years, and they have always done right by me. If you can show them that the paint they mixed for you does not match their color chip, I'd have a hard time believing they wont make it right. No paint company I know of will stand the labor costs, but on the occasions I've had an actual paint problem, the company will often stand the cost of replacing the paint. Again, my advice is free, so you get what you pay for :), but talk to them with a level head. Let them know that you are unhappy with the end product and why, without blowing a fuse in the store, and see what recourse they might be willing to take. Most companies like SW want good word of mouth advertising, and will work to obtain that, but not so much if someone comes in just complaining without having facts and specifics. (And as a side note to this, are you sure it was actually SW paint? I've seen some contractors buy a can of name brand paint then go get dept. store paint and dump it in the name brand can, it happens.)

Fourth and last for now, sorry to be long winded, talk again to your painter calmly as well, with a specific idea of what you want done, including any monies involved, and get it in writing. One can rant and rave, but it's not the way to start things off and rarely brings the desired results in this type of situation. You can always resort to that later if need be!

Best of luck.







Maggie you seem to know your stuff. But take into consideration,not all painters do. Half of them painted a bed room in the sober house & now they're a painting contractor. You know what I'm saying,not trying to be a wise guy.


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Originally Posted by huntsonora
Originally Posted by Slidellkid
Not trying to be a smart ass but wouldnt' you have known the color was not what you wanted as soon as he started applying it?


I was assured it would "dry darker" and match the stucco. It didn't

I also told him to stop with the trim color. He didn't


He probably bought all his paint material & at that point,that's what you were getting hs. Some jobs I've done,when I could not get product samples in quarts,I'd wind up with 2 to 3 cases of gallons in similar colors that were not approved. My buddies benefitted from quality samples.

If I got a quart,of a product that came in quarts,but was not the actual material,the owner could say , "Well it was a different paint" I would never chance that. Color selection is completely at the expense of the owner / buyer. Your guy was not really that experienced,at all.


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First of all, i am glad I aint you. Especially tonite when the wife comes home. I think it is safe to say, you arent getting any tonite!

On a serious note, to me, the siding color is the problem. That yellow/gold just does not go. Anybody can see that.

Are you going to let him know you are recording the conversation? If state law allows, I wouldnt. That is a great idea. Stay calm and let him hang himself.

I hope the best for you and keep us informed. This is like watching a train wreck....I cant look away!


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Originally Posted by fish head
The parts I see that look "off" are the garage door and the back door. The rest of the house looks good and the mis-match doesn't hurt the color scheme. It's not bad at all.

You have a very nice looking home.

That's just my opinion but when it comes to colors everyone has a different opinion.


I agree with this. And if you micro scrutinize his job,the color is really an opinion. You can easily work yourself up to really being un manageable.

Too close a match is gonna look like crap. That is not bad at all,what you have there


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It's kind of hard to do something different after the fact.

The painter works for you...you are the employer. If you want him to stop work, you tell him to stop. If an employee doesn't follow orders, it's your responsibility to take control.

The normal course of business is to withhold payment until the job is completed to your satisfaction. Your final payment then represents your final approval and acceptance of the results of the project. The end result is mostly on you.

But regardless of how you got here, I'd recommend to have it repainted the way you want it and do it right away before the new paint weathers. It seems unreasonable at this point to expect the contractor to redo the work for free after you signed off on it and paid in full unless he just feels like doing so as a customer satisfaction policy.

The siding is not a "bad" color, but everyone sees color differently. I may not like the siding color either, and whoever mixed the paint may not have been awake that day, so I might suggest applying an accent color to the siding and the fascia. It shouldn't cost much to repaint the siding and trim.

If a painting project is done right, 90% of the work is in preparation of the surface and only the last 10% is actually applying the paint. It takes me 2 weeks to prep a house and only a day to spray and brush.

I'd recommend to tell your contractor your issues with the finished project and see if he offers you some concessions. It should only take a day's labor to repaint the siding and the trim plus the cost of the paint.

Considering that this issue is mostly your responsibility, if he's willing to split that with you he still might be a decent fellow.



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