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"Damn Paul, this Old Testament is becoming a real bear to keep up with, too many rules, we can't do everything God wants."

"I hear you Matthew and I have an idea. Lets say a married virgin gives birth to the son of God and this son has come here to save us. All you need to is accept this son and you will go to heaven"

"I like that idea Matt, we can still screw one another over but all is good because we 'believe' in the son', SWEET! Now lets get writing"


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Originally Posted by Steelhead

"Damn Paul, this Old Testament is becoming a real bear to keep up with, too many rules, we can't do everything God wants."

"I hear you Matthew and I have an idea. Lets say a married virgin gives birth to the son of God and this son has come here to save us. All you need to is accept this son and you will go to heaven"

"I like that idea Matt, we can still screw one another over but all is good because we 'believe' in the son', SWEET! Now lets get writing"


Umm, Paul, you do know that this new religion we are trying to sell is gonna piss quite a few people off don't ya? We are liable, to get beheaded over this crap if we are lucky or crucified, boiled in oil, or burned alive if we are not. Look what you guys did to brother Stephen back before you switched teams.

Matt, quit being a sissy. We are selling the idea of a new religion based on a dead guy coming back to life to people who already have religions they are willing to die for. That is gonna take some aggressive marketing and a few of us are gonna have to take one for the team. Quitting the pharisee business was the best thing I ever did. The money and the perks were obviously awesome, and it took me a lifetime to get where I was but I always wanted to start my own religion....get in on the ground floor so to speak. If it takes off we'll be freaking legends after we are dead but I doubt we see much in the short term.

How bout the twelve? Are they down with this?

Certainly. Don't know if you heard but Pete sold his fishing boats and Luke gave up his medical practice. We all figure that if we can survive for a few years without getting killed by the Jews or Romans, we can make more money peddling this new religion to poor people. You still thinking about returning to the tax collecting gig?

I'm thinking about it but you make the idea of a lifetime of self sacrifice and death cheating to advance this con sound so appealing. Sometimes I feel like I'd rather be crucified than to go back into government services.

Atta boy Matt. I always knew you had it in ya! Let's go down to the Synagogue and rattle some cages. When they flog us, I bet I can take more licks than you before screaming out in pain...cause after all, you are a big sissie!

I gotta hand it to you Paulie....you always could make martyrdom seem fun!


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These threads crack me up. smile


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I recently watched a documentary about a local man who spent 25 years in prison for a murder he didn't commit. He said you don't have to join a gang in prison to be safe but to make it known immediately that if someone harms you there would be repercussions. Once the word got around that there would be payback if someone harmed you were relatively safe. He also learned that the best way to avoid fights was to NEVER argue about politics, RELIGION or what to watch on TV.

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I am enjoying some of the discourse being shared by the believers in this thread.


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vel, Ringman i'll nibble around the edges.

since Jesus was a Jew, wonder why he wasn't bound to Old Testament rules & regs?

I mean, by extension, if he can ignore the Old Testament requirements, what makes you think it's not Ok to take the New Testament as a reference source and nothing more?

I mean, doesn't it strike you as strange that we put more weight on the New Testament and less on the Old Testament?


Jesus did follow the Old Testament laws as God provided them to Moses - Jesus just didn't pay attention to the artificial rules some of the Jewish religious leaders put on top of God's Law.

To answer the question about why Christians aren't bound by ALL of the Old Testament requirements, Jesus fulfilled the Law as only He could and so we are no longer bound by the ceremonial portions of the Old Testament laws. Christians are still bound by the "moral" law as documented in the New Testament teachings. That's why Christians are OK to eat a bacon cheeseburger but not to fornicate.


It's not only the ceremonial portions of the law that we are free from. Paul spoke of freedom from the law in Romans 7:4-9. He was not speaking only of ceremonial law because he gives the example of the law saying "thou shall not covet" as an example of the law we are free from.

Being free from the law however is not freedom to sin. We are free from the law so that we can be married to another.Rom.7:1-4.

What we are not to do however is to judge our standing with God based on our obedience. I am not however saying that we should not obey, but we can't judge our salvation based on how well we obey or on how we do not obey. Our salvation can only be based on the obedience of Jesus. We can never be good enough on our own. Any man who says he is saved because he is obedient is a fool. Any man who says he is completely obedient is a liar.

Our obedience can only come through grace. By grace, I can see what God has done in me. By grace I can see who God has made me to be.I am his son. I obey because I love him, and I love him because he first loved me. When I see God's love for me and understand who I am now because of grace, obedience is just the natural result.


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Originally Posted by Steelhead

"Damn Paul, this Old Testament is becoming a real bear to keep up with, too many rules, we can't do everything God wants."

"I hear you Matthew and I have an idea. Lets say a married virgin gives birth to the son of God and this son has come here to save us. All you need to is accept this son and you will go to heaven"

"I like that idea Matt, we can still screw one another over but all is good because we 'believe' in the son', SWEET! Now lets get writing"


And while we are at it, new converts don't have to cut off the end of their pecker. That should help us grab some market share!


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