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My opinion:

It's pretty clear that Kyle was fabricating the Ventura story.

Regardless, I don't know what Ventura gains by pursuing this lawsuit against Kyle's estate. Kyle is somewhat of a national hero, and public opinion is gonna go against Ventura regardless of the facts.

This is really about Ventura's ego, and Kyle's ego. They are essentially the same (type of) person, personality wise. The main difference is that Kyle has killed a bunch of people, and Ventura only killed those mexicans in the Predator.

did jesse ever deny making the statement, or just getting his ass kicked?

It really is a tale of modern America.

Carlos Hathcock went to war as kid from rural Arkansas who had grown up hunting and fishing. He became a sniper and fought just about the toughest enemy we have ever faced in just about the toughest conditions imaginable. When he came home, he came home to obscurity and liked it. But for a small book written about him nearly twenty years after most of the stuff happened, no one outside of sniper and competitive shooting circles would know who he was. I read his book, and the only joy he ever expressed about killing someone was when he shot the female VC officer because of what she had been doing to soldiers.

Chris Kyle grew up in rural Texas hunting and fishing. He went off to war against a much less militarily capable opponent in much different conditions than Hathcock. Upon returning home, he more or less was an instant celebrity and lived larger than life with everything from his truck to his charity work, to the book. In contrast to Hathcock's attitude, Chris Kyle was quoted in his book as saying, "...I wish I had killed more."

I don't really blame Kyle, it is just the way things are nowadays. That is modern America. And it really isn't too hard to see why we are what we are nowadays and why things are the way they are.

Rather than have you continue to passive aggressively insinuate that I am lying, I'll give you a tip.

Go to this neat place called Google. A search box will appear. In said search "Chris Kyle deposition". Then, press "enter". Magically, a list of article responsive to that search will appear.

He adamantly denies making that statement.

(Based on what I've read of course)



Travis

I wasn't insinuating anything, if I thought you were lying, I would say so. I simply asked for the source of the information. I hadn't heard any of that before.

In my defense, I didn't know I was dealing w/ a douche bag.

He adamantly denies making that statement.

(Based on what I've read of course)



Travis

Of course.

Flave makes a good point. Kyle's accusation of what Ventura said would be very damaging to Ventura in the military/SEAL community. I can understand him doing whatever it takes to prove that wrong ... if it is wrong. The jury agreed with Ventura, at least. We can only speculate one way or the other.

Flave makes a good point. Kyle's accusation of what Ventura said would be very damaging to Ventura in the military/SEAL community. I can understand him doing whatever it takes to prove that wrong ... if it is wrong. The jury agreed with Ventura, at least. We can only speculate one way or the other.

so I am reading up on this guy and apparently he's made some rather startling claims post war.

One reporter has written that Chris Kyle claimed to have killed 30 civilians from atop the Superdome in the aftermath of hurricane Katrina?

don't you go to jail for that or at least get investigated?

Not just the SEALs though. He got railroaded over that. Not good for business when you're in the celebrity business.



Travis

Ventura was always over the top pro Navy Seal whenever I heard him talk about the subject as well.

back to your point about changing times in comparison of Hathcock to Kyle

just look at the progression of the sniper reputation over the wars. I know there was a mixed bag of opinion on snipers -both friend or enemy in the world wars.

Now the sniper is lauded for their expertise.

Take this for whatever it's worth...

But the presence of SF at the Superdome has been reported from day one.



Travis

that kinda goes back to my original point though ... I'm afraid winning the lawsuit isn't gonna "restore" ventura's name in the broader community. Most ppl I'm talking to think it's just mean-spirited to be suing Kyle's estate.