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I don't know why so many on here have a problem believing Chris Kyle would lie. Look into his claim that he killed two would be car-jackers at a Texas gas station if you want proof of his credibility.
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Courts are where these matters are supposed to be resolved rather than dueling in the street. That's the way I figure it. Brought to court by the loser of the duel.
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Really? I find it amazing that people on here say that NOT getting punched and someone talking some smack about you is a good reason to sue the estate/widow. If it did happen, Jesse is a puss. If it didn't, well, let's just say that I, for one, wouldn't have GAS about it after he died.
Life is too short to be pissed at people's widow. Well, it is if you are not a complete self-absorbed [bleep] like Jesse and apparently some members on her. So, if a multi-millionaire with a BAC of.45, crushed your only son to death in a school crosswalk on his way to school, then crashed into a bridge abutment and died, you wouldn't sue the guy's estate if he had a widow and daughter. Sure you wouldn't. how and the hell is that a fair comparison? Some of you are missing something upstairs
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It's gratifying to see justice done. People shouldn't be enriched from the lies they (or their spouses) tell in publication form or otherwise. Justice? Justice would have been Not to hear anything about this boorish clown Ventura. He had his 15 minutes of fame as governor of looney minnesota. He went after deep pockets to enrich himself off a dead man's estate thus robbing his widow and children. Venturas reputation ain't worth squat IMO. How does an ignorant jury composed of ignorant minnysodans put a dollar value on Venturas lie that he wasn't "decked" or his un-patriotic/traitorous statement that "Navy Seals SHOULD lose a few" Venturas BOGUS claim that Seals committed atrocities in Afghanistan to which the deceased Kyle took exception. Ventura's claim is as Real as professional wrestling. Entertaining but Not Real
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Courts are where these matters are supposed to be resolved rather than dueling in the street. That's the way I figure it. Brought to court by the loser of the duel. That never happened.
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How does an ignorant jury composed of ignorant minnysodans put a dollar value on Venturas lie that he wasn't "decked" or his un-patriotic/traitorous statement that "Navy Seals SHOULD lose a few" Venturas BOGUS claim that Seals committed atrocities in Afghanistan to which the deceased Kyle took exception. And on what do you base your absolute certainty that a fight actually occurred or that Ventura ever spoke those words? Were you at the bar?
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Courts are where these matters are supposed to be resolved rather than dueling in the street. That's the way I figure it. Brought to court by the loser of the duel. That never happened. And you have proof of that? What of all of the eyewitnesses that testified that it did? What would they have to gain by perjuring themselves?
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I guess he shouldn't have told that story.
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I guess he shouldn't have told that story. Not his last error of judgment, alas.
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And you have proof of that? What of all of the eyewitnesses that testified that it did? What would they have to gain by perjuring themselves? That's why we have trials for defamation. The defense had a very tiny hill to overcome, i.e., they only had to make the jury conclude that there was at least a 51% chance Kyle wasn't lying. They failed.
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I guess he shouldn't have told that story. Not his last error of judgment, alas. The most surprising aspect of this story is that people are surprised there was a lawsuit. Travis
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I don't know the character of Kyle but I am a bit surprised that because he was recognized as a war hero, that everyone assumes he has no character flaws as a human being - in this case, exaggerating the truth to sell a story.
On that same note, assuming there is some money coming to Ventura, he better not keep a dime of it, and donate it to some veterans agency.
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And you have proof of that? What of all of the eyewitnesses that testified that it did? What would they have to gain by perjuring themselves? That's why we have trials for defamation. The defense had a very tiny hill to overcome, i.e., they only had to make the jury conclude that there was at least a 51% chance Kyle wasn't lying. They failed. Rule of law only applies when your side wins. The howls of anguish from fair weather sailors on the Ventura v. Kyle threads is testament of that.
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I've been reading up a bit on the trial and Ventura's legal team pretty much had the jury convinced that the eye witness(es) to the fight were so drunk they couldn't conclude anything, and years after the accusation, the fabrications had become the truth. One witness had the fight taking place outside, another inside, etc.
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How does an ignorant jury composed of ignorant minnysodans put a dollar value on Venturas lie that he wasn't "decked" or his un-patriotic/traitorous statement that "Navy Seals SHOULD lose a few" Venturas BOGUS claim that Seals committed atrocities in Afghanistan to which the deceased Kyle took exception. And on what do you base your absolute certainty that a fight actually occurred or that Ventura ever spoke those words? Were you at the bar? Chris Kyle's word over Jesse Ventura's is good enough for me. You Tube Jesse Ventura to see what a loon and faux patriot this has-been is.
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And you have proof of that? What of all of the eyewitnesses that testified that it did? What would they have to gain by perjuring themselves? That's why we have trials for defamation. The defense had a very tiny hill to overcome, i.e., they only had to make the jury conclude that there was at least a 51% chance Kyle wasn't lying. They failed. 8 out 10 is Not UNANIMOUS. The jury foreman was against this verdict, which tells me something. What would the verdict have been if this "civil" trial had been held in Texas? __________________ FYI -knowing the outcome of this trial is NOT the same as knowing the details. __________________ Jesse, sadly, is a "useful idiot" for the looney left. You Tube Jesse to see for yourself some of the off-the-wall views this guy holds. See some of his �friends? In these videos that he shares the stage with and holds the same views, like Oliver Stone, the "darling" of Hollyweird
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8 out 10 is Not UNANIMOUS. Civil juries don't have to be unanimous. The vast majority of the jury found that Kyle was more likely than not lying.
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And you have proof of that? What of all of the eyewitnesses that testified that it did? What would they have to gain by perjuring themselves? That's why we have trials for defamation. The defense had a very tiny hill to overcome, i.e., they only had to make the jury conclude that there was at least a 51% chance Kyle wasn't lying. They failed. 8 out 10 is Not UNANIMOUS. The jury foreman was against this verdict, which tells me something. What would the verdict have been if this "civil" trial had been held in Texas? __________________ FYI -knowing the outcome of this trial is NOT the same as knowing the details. __________________ Jesse, sadly, is a "useful idiot" for the looney left. You Tube Jesse to see for yourself some of the off-the-wall views this guy holds. See some of his �friends? In these videos that he shares the stage with and holds the same views, like Oliver Stone, the "darling" of Hollyweird You realize you're digging the hole deeper don't you? The attorneys agreed to go with a majority verdict. In fact, Ventura's team agreed to go with a 6-4 verdict if that is what it took. So, only five people on that jury would have had to believe that it was more likely than not, 51% to 49% that Kyle was telling the truth.
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8 out 10 is Not UNANIMOUS. Civil juries don't have to be unanimous. The vast majority of the jury found that Kyle was more likely than not lying. You can skip the hyperbole "vast majority" - it was eight out of ten "hand picked" minneysoda people. Can you say that Jesse's attorneys were better at packing the jury pool? I don't know about you, but my trust in "jurors"/"voters" in minneysoda is low. ___________ Care to answer my question as to what the verdict would have been if the trial were held in Texas? I'm fairly certain that this incident did not occur in a bar in minneysoda, so why the lawsuit there?
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I guess he shouldn't have told that story. Not his last error of judgment, alas. The most surprising aspect of this story is that people are surprised there was a lawsuit. Travis Jesse needed the money and knew he could get a favorable verdict in minneysoda. What I would have had him prove was, dollar wise, how much if anything had this "has-been" lost. I guess his friends in Hollyweird don't care for him anymore..... fickle..... fickle
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