Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire What is the difference between Agnostic and Atheist?

I've always thought we had ET, supernatural, cosmic influences on our human advancement down here on Earth. from cave man, to traveling hunters, to agricultural advancements, to small towns, large cities, and the technological advancements.

we've had an outside source of help.

did we evolve from gold-digging slaves to post-modern era space travelers? if so, just how, pray tell?

getting a breeding population of humans off the Earth and settled on a new Planet is a very important objective. I'm pretty sure the High Priests at NASA are working on the challenge.

Great Teachers such as Buddha, Jesus, Mohammed, Lord Ganesha have incarnated for our human benefit.

but, so far no one has chosen to attempt to define the Human Species. at this point it remains indefinable.

I would not deny the existence of any real skulls. However, those you mention would hardly provide any solid "evidence" rearding your sweeping contentions - so, no evidence to deny.

It's no substitue to holding the real thing, but:

Yup, only different.

I am sure you believe you have.

Nothing different at all the same thing. Faith is faith. Or, superstition is superstition.

Truth does not demand belief. Scientists do not join hands every Sunday, singing, yes, gravity is real! I will have faith! I will be strong! I believe in my heart that what goes up, up, up must come down, down. down. Amen! If they did, we would think they were pretty insecure about it. Dan Barker.

Then they must be pretty insecure about the things they sing loudest about, eh?

Who gathers on Sunday to sing Hymms?
Not Scientist.

I went to high school with a kid who probably had a skull like"C" or �D�. His nick name was �Hogjaws�. There is a guy who fights in the UFC who looks like the photos of Neanderthals. What does that prove? There are modern folks walking around with some unusual features. These evidences are evidence someone found some skulls or made up some skulls from a few fragments. They don�t prove anything.



Some certainly do!

Nope, their true believers rant all week long on the net. Need Sabbath rest.

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Evidence vs Faith.

If you have something to add in the way of evidence, I'm all ears.

Anyone who BELIEVES there is no God, is atheist.
Anyone who doesn't believe in a God, but isn't sure, is agnostic.

I'm okay with most agnostics. The atheists, I loathe. They are just as far gone as the craziest holy rollers.

xxclaro

I have not read anything past this point in the thread so surely someone else has answered this by now. But here is a stab at it.

Let's say that you were wrongly accused of a heinous crime. There were only two people involved in the crime, the perp and the victim. And you have no evidence to prove your innocence. There is circumstantial evidence to implicate you, however. Just play along for the sake of argument.

As the weeks before the trial mounted, you began to notice that some of your friends and even family members were distancing themselves from you. But there were a few souls that stood by your side through it all. They never wavered in their belief that you were innocent. They had no proof of innocence, just their faith in you.

At the trial it was proven by DNA evidence (or by whatever means) that you could not have committed the crime. Some of those who doubted you came back and offered their congratulations. Those who stood by you throughout it all never left your side. Now, tell me, how much value would you place on their faith in you?

Landrum,

Fun illustration.

I am only trying to point out that there is faith on both sides of this discussion. I actually find it amusing that people can be so smug about what they know, and can't create one hydrogen ion or one photon from nothing. I doubt consciousness will ever be explained let alone produced. I further find it astounding that though the greatest scientific minds and labs cannot produce anything reasonably called life, we are to believe that chemicals organized themselves to such a level. I just can't believe there is not an entity bigger than we. Where did the rules of the universe come from?

The prime motivator, IMO for the denial of God is not lack of evidence or rational basis for such belief, but the need to be at the head of the god chain. Eat of one of a myriad of fruits and you to shall be as God.

You explain a mystery by invoking a larger mystery.

You claim we are so complex that we need a creator, but how complex must be the mind you claim that created us? How complex would be the creator of this mind of even greater complexity.

Your God of the gaps explains nothing, and just creates an endless unexplained regression.

Your personal incredulity is not evidence of a creator. It's just evidence of your inability to scale and scope of what we are discussing.

Did you call yourself into existence?

Can you perpetuate yourself eternally (if that is even a concept anyone can truly understand)?

There is something bigger than you. Why deny it?

The God who created us is beyond your comprehension and by his own accounting, outside the realm of time. How big is that?

My God is not of gaps but of totality, which is beyond even you in every way. Why deny it?

If it is not evidence of being beyond your personal scale and scope, the world awaits your omniscience. Just saying.

So, how do you make an electron from nothing, including the laws of the universe?

I expect most will not understand this but I'll take a stab counselor: your implied premise that "this ignorance" is innocent is wrong, and thus so is your conclusion.