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We were shooting some drills today and I offered for guys to shoot my 16" mid-length back to back with their carbines. The constant response was "So that's what it's supposed to feel like!".
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It has a 1" Battlecomp, but in my experience it didn't have any impact on this drill over a standard A2 FH.
I ended up having to just leave it with the group and get it back from them later. My "properly built AR disciples" keep growing in number. We got to win them over one 16" mid length at a time. kwg
For liberals and anarchists, power and control is opium, selling envy is the fastest and easiest way to get it. TRR. American conservative. Never trust a white liberal. Malcom X Current NRA member.
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You are long tube gassing them?
I'm not sure I'm following you Jeff. We're probably thinking the same thing, just different terminology. What do you mean "long tube"?
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We were shooting some drills today and I offered for guys to shoot my 16" mid-length back to back with their carbines. The constant response was "So that's what it's supposed to feel like!".
16" Mid-Length
Rifle buffer (A5H3)
15" rail
It has a 1" Battlecomp, but in my experience it didn't have any impact on this drill over a standard A2 FH.
I ended up having to just leave it with the group and get it back from them later. My "properly built AR disciples" keep growing in number. We got to win them over one 16" mid length at a time. kwg And "properly built" mids too. This one started life as a mid-length and is now a completely different rifle than it was when I took it out of the box.
your flippant remarks which you so adeptly sling
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Is there really anything that hasn't been done with an AR? They're like a big boy's Lego set. If I were to start an AR company it wouldn't be to make the same thing that 20 other companies are making with a different widget on it! Someone really needs to update the AR platform into something different. Design an AR for the 308 class of cartridge that is on a smaller frame than the AR10 and you would have something.
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Is there really anything that hasn't been done with an AR? They're like a big boy's Lego set. If I were to start an AR company it wouldn't be to make the same thing that 20 other companies are making with a different widget on it! Someone really needs to update the AR platform into something different. Design an AR for the 308 class of cartridge that is on a smaller frame than the AR10 and you would have something. dmps gen 2, but skip the dual ejectors. as long as my brass exits the gun thats all I need I don't need to fling brass 50 feet.
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Is there really anything that hasn't been done with an AR? They're like a big boy's Lego set. If I were to start an AR company it wouldn't be to make the same thing that 20 other companies are making with a different widget on it! Someone really needs to update the AR platform into something different. Design an AR for the 308 class of cartridge that is on a smaller frame than the AR10 and you would have something. Calling parts of the gun that make it run correctly and make it easier to hit with "widgets" highlights the problem with ARs today. There's a huge amount of misinformation and misconception about what makes them work. I cringe when I hear folks call them Legos.
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There are folks who get it and some that refuse to get it.
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Is there really anything that hasn't been done with an AR? They're like a big boy's Lego set. If I were to start an AR company it wouldn't be to make the same thing that 20 other companies are making with a different widget on it! Someone really needs to update the AR platform into something different. Design an AR for the 308 class of cartridge that is on a smaller frame than the AR10 and you would have something. Calling parts of the gun that make it run correctly and make it easier to hit with "widgets" highlights the problem with ARs today. There's a huge amount of misinformation and misconception about what makes them work. I cringe when I hear folks call them Legos. How about Erector Set? LOL!
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What models would you offer?
Bluedreaux's ARs....
They'd all have Magpul enhanced trigger guards - Properly ported barrels - Properly tested, springed and staked BCGs, Springco buffer springs and H2 buffers, Magpul MOE-K grips
Trigger options would include a CMC 3.5 / 4.5 single stage or G2S or SSA-E two stage.
I'd make 1" Battlecomp brakes an option as well as Streamlight TLR1s and Wyoming Arms Fenix lights.
Model 1
16" mid-length CL barrel
Fixed front sight post
Fixed rear sight
Magpul handguard - B5 stock
Model 2
16" mid-length CL barrel
15" free float tube rail
Fixed sights or Magpul folding sights
B5 stock
Model 3
17" rifle gas SS barrel
Adjustable gas block
VLTOR A5
15" free floating rail
SF or Lantac brake I would make sure I could get barrels first before even getting a business licensee. lots of new businesses in the last 4-6 years, not lots of new barrel makers. I
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I'd like to see a shift in another direction. The Mall Ninja Crowd is well covered,with many Makers.
I'd like to see a '15 based platform with a modest redesign,that would facillitate greater COAL. 2.500" would be a breeze and it would be far from daunting to incorporate a system,in which Mall Ninjas could fall back on burping Steel Woof.
Everything else is readily available,but noone thinks bullets................
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I'd like to see a shift in another direction. The Mall Ninja Crowd is well covered,with many Makers.
I'd like to see a '15 based platform with a modest redesign,that would facillitate greater COAL. 2.500" would be a breeze and it would be far from daunting to incorporate a system,in which Mall Ninjas could fall back on burping Steel Woof.
Everything else is readily available,but noone thinks bullets................ I'm not familiar with the 7.62x39 lower. Would it not be slightly longer/larger? I agree, a lower with slightly more length would add a new dimension to the platform. kwg
For liberals and anarchists, power and control is opium, selling envy is the fastest and easiest way to get it. TRR. American conservative. Never trust a white liberal. Malcom X Current NRA member.
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Olympic builds a longer 15 and chambers it in 22-250, if you can stomach oly.
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I'd like to see a shift in another direction. The Mall Ninja Crowd is well covered,with many Makers.
I'd like to see a '15 based platform with a modest redesign,that would facillitate greater COAL. 2.500" would be a breeze and it would be far from daunting to incorporate a system,in which Mall Ninjas could fall back on burping Steel Woof.
Everything else is readily available,but noone thinks bullets................ I'm not familiar with the 7.62x39 lower. Would it not be slightly longer/larger? I agree, a lower with slightly more length would add a new dimension to the platform. kwg Same/same.............
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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Olympic builds a longer 15 and chambers it in 22-250, if you can stomach oly. Had them on the horn after inception and while the premise was sound,they dropped the ball in COAL latitude...despite designing a proprietary mag. It's max COAL places 75A-Max ogives wellllll below the case mouth and for only 100 clams a pop.................(hint)
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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A custom lower with proprietary mags for more COAL in a .223 based cartridge would sell < 500 units. Worldwide. Ever.
Lots of guys will talk about how great an idea it is and how they'll "definitely get one" and when they hit the market those same people will look at their stack of $8 PMags and their bolt gun that's already set up for proper COAL and never actually buy the new wonder-lower.
BS can proclaim the world full of idiots who won't take a hint, but that won't change the fact that a proprietary lower just wouldn't sell.
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A Texan with a Tom Cruise avatar,fretting Reality.
Oh my...you've really got your ear in tune.....................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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How long was the OAL allowed with the old VLD mags?
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I can't recall and it was a step in a very right direction.
Would be no thing to massage a magwell and magazines,to yield 2.500" and then Window Lickers could still lick windows.
It's the single biggest hurdle in the AR-titude,as projectile selection has wayyyyyyy over stepped it's MilSpec confines................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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I agree, it's all the AR needs that I can see.
Magpul is clearly missing the boat here, somebody needs to start making them again.
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I don't know who Tom Cruise is or what having my picture as an avatar has to do with anything.
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