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I think that's the argument they are making. They frack, because they generate and pass around a lot of money while doing it. But, hidden in the balance sheet is mounting debt that will eventually implode the companies. That's why it's a hoax. It works, but it's very expensive to do It's like a ceo making 10 million a year while his company is taking on massive debt. Eventually the company goes down, but people make a whole lot of money in the meantime, and thats whey they keep it going.

Like I said, you'd have to carefully examine a whole lot of financial documents to either refute or validate the claim.


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Electric cars must be a "hoax" too then.

Almost all new technology is cost-prohibitive at start-up.

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Originally Posted by derby_dude
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What a bunch of crap. I live in fracking country. Hell in Billings they are building a 854 million refinery because of fracking.
Do you have a specific response to Max Keiser's arguments regarding the actual economics of it? According to him, if I understand what he's saying, all of the profits from fracking go to paying the interest on the corporate debt, and that's with historically low interest rates, which are unsustainable.


I didn't listen to all of it because I hear that crap all the time. We have oil and gas because of fracking. Without fracking gas would $8.00 to $10.00 gallon. These are the same kind of nuts that say there is global warming even when the polar ice is growing. Dumb ass liberals.


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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
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What a bunch of crap. I live in fracking country. Hell in Billings they are building a 854 million refinery because of fracking.
Do you have a specific response to Max Keiser's arguments regarding the actual economics of it? According to him, if I understand what he's saying, all of the profits from fracking go to paying the interest on the corporate debt, and that's with historically low interest rates, which are unsustainable.


I didn't listen to all of it because I hear that crap all the time. We have oil and gas because of fracking. Without fracking gas would $8.00 to $10.00 gallon. These are the same kind of nuts that say there is global warming even when the polar ice is growing. Dumb ass liberals.
He made a very specific economics argument. That's the argument that would need refutation.


The best way to refute his arguments is get the annual reports of big oil including the different SEC reports. That will explain everything. I don't have the time to refute stupid.

Sorry if I'm cranky but I get tired of this liberal chit. It's like trying refute Christianity it's a waste of time.


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Originally Posted by Ghostinthemachine
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We have oil and gas because of fracking. Without fracking gas would $8.00 to $10.00 gallon


Lol. Hyperbole much?

JFC.


According the to the engineers and scientists working the fields. Without fracking the supply of oil would be way down while demand would be up. Fracking has allowed the supply of oil to be awash. Hence, the price of oil is to stay in the $3.50 a gallon range. More new refineries are starting to come on line.


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Originally Posted by heavywalker
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Heavywalker, I believe you're capable of cogent discussion. Can you refute Keiser's argument?


I am not wasting 25 minutes of my life watching that. So I will have to bow out of the cogent discussion on this one.
I'll take that as a concession by default. wink

PS His discussion of this question is fully contained in the first twelve minutes.

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Originally Posted by Pat85
Maybe Max is trying to short sell oil companies? Isn't he some kind of environmental activist?
I've never heard that about him. I think he mainly deals with economics and finance.

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Originally Posted by Calvin
I think that's the argument they are making. They frack, because they generate and pass around a lot of money while doing it. But, hidden in the balance sheet is mounting debt that will eventually implode the companies. That's why it's a hoax. It works, but it's very expensive to do It's like a ceo making 10 million a year while his company is taking on massive debt. Eventually the company goes down, but people make a whole lot of money in the meantime, and thats whey they keep it going.

Like I said, you'd have to carefully examine a whole lot of financial documents to either refute or validate the claim.


I bet big oil will be around long after we are all dead and buried. Ten years ago or so it cost big oil about a billion dollars a hole to drill in the ocean. Big oil should have been bankrupt by now but seems to be still going strong.


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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
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Maybe Max is trying to short sell oil companies? Isn't he some kind of environmental activist?
I've never heard that about him. I think he mainly deals with economics and finance.


And liberal fiction apparently.


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Originally Posted by derby_dude
The best way to refute his arguments is get the annual reports of big oil including the different SEC reports. That will explain everything. I don't have the time to refute stupid.
Max Keiser is not stupid.

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Originally Posted by Calvin
I think that's the argument they are making. They frack, because they generate and pass around a lot of money while doing it. But, hidden in the balance sheet is mounting debt that will eventually implode the companies. That's why it's a hoax. It works, but it's very expensive to do It's like a ceo making 10 million a year while his company is taking on massive debt. Eventually the company goes down, but people make a whole lot of money in the meantime, and thats whey they keep it going.

Like I said, you'd have to carefully examine a whole lot of financial documents to either refute or validate the claim.
Thanks for the thoughtful response.

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Originally Posted by derby_dude
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Maybe Max is trying to short sell oil companies? Isn't he some kind of environmental activist?
I've never heard that about him. I think he mainly deals with economics and finance.


And liberal fiction apparently.
Not sure what was liberal or fictional about his economic inviability argument. Did you listen?

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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
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The best way to refute his arguments is get the annual reports of big oil including the different SEC reports. That will explain everything. I don't have the time to refute stupid.
Max Keiser is not stupid.


He's a liberal he's stupid. We should be thankful that big oil is willing to take the risk to find more oil and build refineries so that we can have oil and gas instead of trying to find ways to shut them down.

I hope we all like driving a horse and buggy. I suppose liberals would complain about that too.

I'm just pissed off! mad


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Originally Posted by goalie
Electric cars must be a "hoax" too then.

Almost all new technology is cost-prohibitive at start-up.


No bigger "hoax" imo, than green stuff.

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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by derby_dude
What a bunch of crap. I live in fracking country. Hell in Billings they are building a 854 million refinery because of fracking.
Do you have a specific response to Max Keiser's arguments regarding the actual economics of it? According to him, if I understand what he's saying, all of the profits from fracking go to paying the interest on the corporate debt, and that's with historically low interest rates, which are unsustainable.


Are you really that stupid? Is it natural or do you practice ?


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Originally Posted by derby_dude
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
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The best way to refute his arguments is get the annual reports of big oil including the different SEC reports. That will explain everything. I don't have the time to refute stupid.
Max Keiser is not stupid.


He's a liberal he's stupid. We should be thankful that big oil is willing to take the risk to find more oil and build refineries so that we can have oil and gas instead of trying to find ways to shut them down.

I hope we all like driving a horse and buggy. I suppose liberals would complain about that too.

I'm just pissed off! mad
I don't think he fits neatly into either the liberal or conservative categories.

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Originally Posted by Calvin
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Electric cars must be a "hoax" too then.

Almost all new technology is cost-prohibitive at start-up.


No bigger "hoax" imo, than green stuff.
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Originally Posted by derby_dude


I hope we all like driving a horse and buggy. I suppose liberals would complain about that too.

Horses would create to much green house gas for them. To large of a carbon footprint.



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Max Kaiser isn't stupid, but he doesn't have an clue to all the dynamics of resource extraction.

What isn't taken into account is the cost of resource extraction or doing business in very unstable locations and countries. Just look at what it costs to secure Iraq, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia from fundamentalists. It's an lot less expensive to produce domestically with higher wages than it is to import with very high backend cost of security.

I know a little about the resource extraction industry as I work in deep underground metal mining and mining startups and projects.

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