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One of Ayoob's caveats is the anecdote of a homeowner who shot an intruder with birdshot, apparently from somewhat further than ten feet away. The perp survived, but horribly disfigured and permanently blinded.
According to Ayoob the homeowner did not face a criminal penalty, but was ruined financially in civil court when sued by the intruder whose maimed visage swayed the jury.
Perhaps #4's in a good compromise, I'm wondering if #2's wouldn't be even better, short of OOO buck.
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I wasn't crazy about the bayonet-mounting apparatus on the muzzle but otherwise a really liked the Russian SKS I had.
One problem with stock SKS's however is the firing pin. As the bolt slams into battery chambering a new cartridge after firing the inertia of the firing pin, which has no recoil spring, will carry it forward and ding the primer of the new cartridge.
Mine did that, to the point it was a wonder it didn't fire the new cartridge.
Not surprisingly there are a bunch of reports of that happening; either two rounds in quick succession or a whole ten-round clip, full auto.
With that free firing pin they can reportedly also be made to inertia fire if the rifle is dropped.
At the height of the SKS years at least one maker was offering a spring kit to be installed around the firing pin to alleviate this problem.
Birdwatcher there are a lot of firearms that do NOT have a firing pin return spring, not just the S.K.S. A lot of these slamfiring episodes in a s.k.s. can be traced back to the owner NOT cleaning the cosmoline out of the channel the pin operates in. It just stick out and slams into the new round. Translated a lot of people never bothered to clean the gunk out of the gun then are surprised when it slamfires. I have loaded for both the garand and carbine for years without specific hard military primers, without issue. But then I am seating the primers deep to avoid high primers.
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Has anyone shot a 150gr or heavier bullet in the sks?
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Many years ago while visiting the old family farm in NY I took the buckshot out of a factory shell and split them with a chisel, part way through. Then I crimped them on a piece of stranded wire and stuffed it into the shell.
It took several attempts but I finally whacked a woodchuck at about 20 yards with one of them as he left his burrow. It almost cut him in two, with just a shred of hide holding fore and aft together. The whistle as that string left sticks with me to this day, more than 4 decades later...
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Perhaps #4's in a good compromise, I'm wondering if #2's wouldn't be even better, short of OOO buck. I ain't compromising with anybody that invades my house. Birdshot might penetrate, buckshot will. Shoot buckshot. Our house shot shucker is a 20 gauge with but #3 buck in a 2 3/4" hull. But I have no doubt it'll ventilate you well across the living room. edit: Oh, that being said, as a mere teenaged child suffering boredom I once or twice competed with my peers to see how big a pine sapling could be shot down with #8 shot. Seem to remember it'd chop a 3" to 4" trunk at about 6 feet. But it wudn't trying to kill me.
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I think most of the birdshot damage is from the wad. I do believe in giving my house guest and neighbors a little consideration.
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That little wad with almost no weight and arms designed to spread out and catch wind... is going to do the most damage???
Thinking that is a fail...
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I think you get the point, don't use birdshot unless its encapsulated to expand on impact.
I'm not much on shotgun in urban areas but I guess buckshot in the country or a mosque is ok.
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I think most of the birdshot damage is from the wad. I do believe in giving my house guest and neighbors a little consideration. Disagree in full. 
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I think you get the point, don't use birdshot unless its encapsulated to expand on impact.
Huh? lol. No offense, but it's clear you aren't a scattergun scholar, friend. 'Expand on impact'? lol
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I think you get the point, don't use birdshot unless its encapsulated to expand on impact.
I'm not much on shotgun in urban areas but I guess buckshot in the country or a mosque is ok. Having shot a LOT of fur with shotguns and ruined more than some at distances I thought long enough I can assure you loose birdshot at close range is prone to doing serious damage...
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Even with buckshot in fairly close quarters, it very rarely stops immediately. Point blank, yes. Use birdshot if you want but if the bad guy is shooting back, more power to ya.
the length of an average 2500 square foot house can render your #6 shot ineffective.
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P.S. Anyone taking an ounce+ of lead/steel/other at close range needn't be worried about any expansion issues harming him. The 500 grains +/_ of metal humming along at around 1550 (speed of my waterfowl loads I use most) hitting him is what he ought to be terrified of.
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It really depends on the load and the distance. Granted you are facing average crackheads but the closer you are to bad guy with your long gun the more things that can go wrong for you.
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Ooh look, it's TACTICAL shotgun ammo, designed to come apart on impact!  OK, killer, you win.
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