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Originally Posted by RatherBHuntin
What are the pro or cons in using a 3 groove barrel for a high velocity 6.5 diameter barrel. I have read some things suggesting a 3 groove barrel will tear up the thinner jacketed bullets like the Bergers or match type bullets? What say you? I will one day need to rebarrel my 264 win mag. I just want advice on how to evaluate my options. Thank you, john.


I had a Benchmark 3 groove that I chambered to a modified .264 Win Mag. It started keyholing 140gr VLDs at 200 Rnds.

The button was designed for a standard 1-2 land to groove ratio. This means the lands in this 3 groove were twice as wide as in a standard Benchmark 6 groove. I believe the wide lands were too much for the thin J4 jacket.

Ron sent a standard 6 groove and that barrel has been wonderful. I suspect more campfire member have shot that 6 groove .264 Win Mag than any other rifle.

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This is a three shot group, at something over a mile, under silly bad conditions, with 1200 rounds down the barrel, and a dozen witnesses.

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I have an extra 600 rnds down the bore and it is still shooting great. My bull from last year was just over 1000yds and I clipped a coyote this spring at 1000yds with the next shot.

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I have never seen a 3 groover do better than a 5 or 6 so I would suggest more grooves. Guys shooting other bullets might not see the issues as soon but why deal with the shorter barrel life? Every barrel maker that does the 3 grooves also will build a more suitable 5 or 6 groove.

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Originally Posted by Big Stick
Berger's have never shown me schit...............


Maybe you need a new watch... smile


6 Groove CHECK

.264 Win Mag CHECK

140 VLD CHECK

Watch CHECK

Big Bull at 1100yds Double CHECK

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If you are stumped by Bergers you might want to zip the lips and start taking notes.

Consider that a hint. laugh


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That's a DIRTY Trick to do to a 25-06.

In fact,it's MEAN............


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115 vlds already in waiting.....

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That's a great looking stock,who makes it?

Berger terminal affects,never showed me anything. How many back-up rifles/Guides on those "Hunts"? I mean just on the average.

Laughing!............


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Originally Posted by Horseman
115 vlds already in waiting.....


Your 243 giggles in anticipation...............


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Shot a butt load of Berger vld's and Amax and 107 SMK through 3 groove Liljas...more than one. Nary an issue...more on order

same with a 3 groove pac nor. I like the barrel life

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Now that I think about it...I probably hve more than a few 3-groovers,by more than a few Makers and might even be hip on the notion.

None of which is "proprietary".

Laughing!..............


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Originally Posted by Big Stick
That's a great looking stock,who makes it?

Berger terminal affects,never showed me anything. How many back-up rifles/Guides on those "Hunts"? I mean just on the average.

Laughing!............


Hardly matters in this discussion but you running from talking rifles and starting to fling poo is not exactly surprising. Do what you know best.

To answer the question those are my mules carrying the bull, none of whom had ever seen dead critters or packed meat before I owned them, I spotted the bull and planned the stalk, I choose the unit, I packed the bull, I drove my truck towing my trailer to the trail head, I loaded my ammo and choose the exact bullet and powder.

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Not very important in the overall scheme.

I have called you my pet monkey in the past and right now that is what you are. You, literally, fling poo like a stupid monkey.

I get that at times destruction, even self destruction, feels so right but then again you seem to, at times, see the futility of that path.

Get your schit together. cool


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I must have missed it? What was that stock again? Who's bandoleer on the stock,for the rifle that supposedly shoots so "well"?

Which barrel did you schlep to the dumbphuqqs stupid enough,to buy your phony phuqqing schit?

Enjoyed The Donkey Story.

Laughing!................





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Originally Posted by Big Stick
I must have missed it? What was that stock again? Who's bandoleer on the stock,for the rifle that supposedly shoots so "well"?

Which barrel did you schlep to the dumbphuqqs stupid enough,to buy your phony phuqqing schit?

Enjoyed The Donkey Story.

Laughing!................










Stick,
Now is your big opportunity to finally show-up John Burns with your pics of "book" sheep, caribou, moose and grizzly's. smile

Show him and the world you dont imagine pretend!!
You can do it. crazy


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PS, if you think Trump is “good” you’re way stupider than I thought! Haha

Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
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She's too busy trying to unphuqq all the folks she phuqqed.

Which ain't happening.

Hint....................


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Originally Posted by Big Stick
She's too busy trying to unphuqq all the folks she phuqqed.

Which ain't happening.

Hint....................


Really?
Seems to me John Burns produced a product and sold it in the open market to people that thought it was worth the price. That's what America used to be about before the liberal progressive capitalism haters took over.

I am beginning to believe your reluctance to post pic's of your "book" ram's etc... means they don't exist?

So who is the lying pretender?

You are a pathetic excuse of a man, just shamefull!!


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PS, if you think Trump is “good” you’re way stupider than I thought! Haha

Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
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You nailed it!

Laughing!.............


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Originally Posted by Big Stick
I am John's pet monkey. I fling poo. That is what I doo.


Funny you should ask about the butt cuff.

I prefer the ones that are made in the USA. Seem to last quite a bit longer. I have been using them for quite a while. Started back in the day when I hunted with the 1B.

That would be the very first 6mm Mach IV. I did another for Ross S and it was kinda the center piece for a few G&A articles in the late 80s.
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The butt cuff seemed kinda handy so I kept using them.

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Those who borrowed my rifles were stuck with the butt cuff but seemed to do OK. grin

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Spot and stalk lion. laugh I had been shooting rockchucks all afternoon and when I spotted the lion it was just grab and go.

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Get your schit together. You don't have to be the stupid monkey. cool


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LOVE the fences! You REALLY get after it!! Laughing!


Again..who's stock? I mean,not that you billed it differently. Laughing!

Who's barrel? Not that you billed it differently. Laughing!

You lying Snake Oil Phuqqs are a hoot.

Fact is...I'm going to report your Lying/Cheating/Stealing to a Moderator.

Bless your heart..................



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Originally Posted by Big Stick
I am John's pet monkey. I fling poo. That is what I doo.



Funny you should run from all things related to rifles and fling your poo. It is what you doooooo.

Just to fuel your pooooo fling. laugh

Grizzly with the Butt Cuff.

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You have one of those right?? I mean living in AK and over the counter tags and such.

Hang a pic. laugh


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Your "Guide" should be punched in the phuqqing face,for letting a City Slicker kill that RAT. What did it "score"? Laughing!

That stock strikes me as different,which one is that? Better or worse?

Lotsa empties there in the bandoleer.

Laughing!.................



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Originally Posted by JohnBurns
Originally Posted by Big Stick
I am John's pet monkey. I fling poo. That is what I doo.



Funny you should run from all things related to rifles and fling your poo. It is what you doooooo.

Just to fuel your pooooo fling. laugh

Grizzly with the Butt Cuff.

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You have one of those right?? I mean living in AK and over the counter tags and such.

Hang a pic. laugh


Smells like a delete!


"Your "Guide" should be punched in the phuqqing face,for letting a City Slicker kill that RAT. What did it "score"? Laughing!

That stock strikes me as different,which one is that? Better or worse?

Lotsa empties there in the bandoleer.

Laughing!................."


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Bless your heart.

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Laughing!...................


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Originally Posted by Big Stick
I am John's pet monkey. I fling my poo. That is what I doo



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Originally Posted by Big Stick
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What?? No pict of your grizzly. That is sure a surprise. How about your sheep???

Originally Posted by Big Stick
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Wow. That sure ain't a sheep.

Three posts in a row replying to yourself????

Again, GET YOUR SCHIT TOGETHER. Lots of people had a rough childhood.




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