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From what I have seen, 99% don't even read the original post, just the header, before starting to type like crazy so they can get their opinion out there in cyberspace.
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My fave is the " Which one should I get? a .243 or a 6mm?" and the first response is 'Neither, get a 7mm-08'......
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Guys I have an old Rem722 that I've opened to .295 and would like to know some thoughts on what I can build on it in a short case w/some thump. I would like a 30 or 338 but would consider others. I have the 25, 284, and 35 covered. Any suggestions and why. I like Ackley's and other bastard cartridges. powdr .458x2 American. Case length is only 1/2" shorter than a .458 WM; i.e. it thumps. No one else you know likely has one, Midway lists dies for it under their "obscure rifle calibers" section, so I guess that qualifies it as a bastard cartridge. It has "American" in the name, so it's patriotic. You would have to open up the bolt face, but hey, it's your money so I can spend it freely for you... 
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maybe he should have it made into an atlatl...
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Guys I have an old Rem722 that I've opened to .295 and would like to know some thoughts on what I can build on it in a short case w/some thump. I would like a 30 or 338 but would consider others. I have the 25, 284, and 35 covered. Any suggestions and why. I like Ackley's and other bastard cartridges. powdr .458x2 American. Case length is only 1/2" shorter than a .458 WM; i.e. it thumps. No one else you know likely has one, Midway lists dies for it under their "obscure rifle calibers" section, so I guess that qualifies it as a bastard cartridge. It has "American" in the name, so it's patriotic. You would have to open up the bolt face, but hey, it's your money so I can spend it freely for you... Or to be just that much more special, he could blow the 458X2 out to make a 475X2  I can't comprehend someone considering something under 40 cal as a thumper, but I'm funny that way
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Or neck the 9.3 BS up to .45
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30-06 till i die, the greatest round ever! I carry a gun because a cop is too heavy! CEO of a Turdlike People: Turds & Tats Division... (per Ingwe  )
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Consider something on the .284 case. Brass ain't cheap but it is available, bolt face is ready, and you've lengthened the magazine already. More specifically in the Thumper realm, consider a 450-284. It uses a standard bolt face. Reamers are available. So is brass, and factory ammo. The 450-284 is the 450 Bushmaster. The available reloading data from Hornady, Western Powder, and Lyman maintain the SAAMI limits of about 39K psi, suitable for the AR platform. Pressures and velocities cautiously can be raised somewhat in a bolt action if reloading. --Bob
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.454/30/30 rimless. Or how about the .272 Small Shank? Be the first in camp...
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John I didn't say that the BS wasn't a thumper...I just don't have any use for a 9.62 in Texas. Think 30 or 338 guys. I'm thinking about the 338RCM more than I was. powdr
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Oh, I know you didn't say that. What I didn't realize is how the definition of "thumper" changes in Texas!
The only problem with the .338 RCM is brass availability. Another possibility would be to neck up one of the other short-mag cases to .338. Dies would be a little more hassle, but a .338/.300 WSM would eliminate the brass problem.
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Don't understand how someone couldd not have a use for the 9.3 but have a use for the 338 RCM...
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Well, the .338 RCM is a little milder thumper, but the 9.3 BS (or 9.3x62, since they're basically the same thing in a different case shape) can easily be loaded to the same basic velocities. My experience is .366 bullets thump animals harder than .338 bullets when loaded to the same muzzle velocity, without thumping the shooter any harder.
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If someone wants to run a 338 RCM for chits and giggles and as a learning experience, or just for the pure hell of it, that seems like a worthy past time. Have done a smattering of it myself.
But, if I was looking for a better way to make meat, I'd be looking at something high BC, fast twist to try to take advantage of reduced wind deflection and the added tissue damage that has been reported due to bullets spun fast. If my life depended on killing an elk, I would much rather attempt it with a 7/08 than a 338 anything. I'd run a tough bullet twisted as fast as reasonably possible and call it good. Sorry for getting so far afield here.
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Doesn't have the panache of the .30/338 Federal, or hit like the Hammer of Thor. How about a .30 Whelen, then?
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Fred,
I tend to agree with you, and neither Eileen or I have shot an elk with any caliber larger than 7mm for several years. But that's not what powdr wants. He wants a "thumper," and there's nothing thumpy about the 7mm-08, despite it's other virtues.
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bruinruin,
The .30 Whelen had its brief fling as the the latest in-cartridge among cutting-edge rifle loonies, but sad to say it has gone the way of other innovative wildcats such as the 6mm/.260 Remington, .25/.22-250 and 6.5/7mm Remington Magnum. I don't any company even offers custom-made dies for any of them anymore.
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John
Yea, I was trying to sort through what were to me some contradictory parameters the OP had set up- He wanted a "thumper" but said he had no use for a 9X62 which by all accounts is one of the most useful thumpers. If usefulness was one of the criteria, a 338 RCM would be difficult to justify although it would be interesting as a learning experience.
My post was a long winded way of asking the OP to state more clearly what exactly he was looking for, a selection based on practicality or one based on something to experiment with.
Fred
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bruinruin,
The .30 Whelen had its brief fling as the the latest in-cartridge among cutting-edge rifle loonies, but sad to say it has gone the way of other innovative wildcats such as the 6mm/.260 Remington, .25/.22-250 and 6.5/7mm Remington Magnum. I don't any company even offers custom-made dies for any of them anymore. That's too bad. It seems like a great combination of cartridge capacity and bullet choice.
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I suspect the problem is one of the rifle loonyism many of us suffer from. He has an action and wants to make a rifle, and believes there's some unfilled slot in his collection.
If this were an actual hunting-rifle problem that could be solved with a practical solution, powdr wouldn't be posting it here. Instead he'd be one of those people who own one .270, .308 or .30-06 and go hunting, without worrying about whether he was missing out on another rifle that will change his life, however brief that change may be.
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