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I don't see making it easier or socially acceptable benefiting society one iota, quite the contrary. Being illegal doesn't stop people from using it, any more than prohibition stopped people from using alcohol. Many billions of taxpayers dollars are spent every year on arresting people for using marijuana, throwing them in jail, trying them, convicting them, and them putting them in prison...all paid for by the U.S. taxpayer. What a waste of money and resources... And you'd rather those resources be spent on EBT cards so we can pay people to sit at home, smoke weed, play video games and buy Doritos??? Have cops been laid off in Colorado since legalization? "Legalizing" marijuana is going to take many more public resources, not less.
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So long as we have a society that doesn't give 2 sheits about personal responsibility and is willing the help those that DON'T help themselves, at the expense of those that do help themselves, we are [bleep].
Want to smoke pot and not work, fine with me, but no EBT, no SS disability, no nothing.
That is the only thing that will help society. Sure it will take some time, but we have to be willing to let those that DON'T help themselves to perish.
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Yep. Everyone is in a big tizzy to legalize pot, yet turn every tobacco user and drunk driver into the anti Christ.
Sounds like a cash cow and nothing more.
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Have you seen em' jailed for having it in their possession...personal amounts, for their own use...? Arrested, yes. Jailed, no. It has been a non-crime for a long time. Anybody that says they have done time for a "usable" amount of marijuana (in Texas) in the past thirty years is lying. They always fail to mention that pesky probation/parole violation that the marijuana revoked.
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And you'd rather those resources be spent on EBT cards so we can pay people to sit at home, smoke weed, play video games and buy Doritos???
Have cops been laid off in Colorado since legalization? "Legalizing" marijuana is going to take many more public resources, not less. We're already paying many tens of millions of people to sit at home and do something other than 'work' and be productive members of society...despite the fact that marijuana is currently against Federal Law in all 50 states...! I'd rather see those wasted resources used on something that actually accomplishes something positive instead of being wasted on an onviously dismally failed drug policy.
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And you'd rather those resources be spent on EBT cards so we can pay people to sit at home, smoke weed, play video games and buy Doritos???
Have cops been laid off in Colorado since legalization? "Legalizing" marijuana is going to take many more public resources, not less. We're already paying many tens of millions of people to sit at home and do something other than 'work' and be productive members of society...despite the fact that marijuana is currently against Federal Law in all 50 states...! I'd rather see those wasted resources used on something that actually accomplishes something positive instead of being wasted on an onviously dismally failed drug policy. On what positive? What do you expect the government will do with ALL that EXTRA money that will be POSITIVE. Please, enlighten me.
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Fund ObamaCare, just like the states suing tobacco for medical costs.......
I can hear a commie making that "campaign" right now.
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Unfortunately, I think the government will probably just waste it all on something else that is equally a dismal failure as the war on drugs has been.
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I'd like to see the weed heads and potential growers expand upon how our country and society will be improved by legalizing weed. I just don't see any benefits? ...
If you are anti-freedom, you won't see any benefit of ending MJ prohibition even if I point it out. Society would be improved by having those MJ-prohibition LEO's find productive and fulfilling work. And we could reduce the size of our obese and over-reaching government.
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I'd like to see the weed heads and potential growers expand upon how our country and society will be improved by legalizing weed. I just don't see any benefits? And saying well alcohol is legal, why not legalize weed, I don't buy that argument.
and they'll find a way. But I don't see making it easier or socially acceptable benefiting society one iota, quite the contrary.
Then you are in favor of prohibition alcohol and tobacco, as you are in favor of prohibition of pot? You state,"If people want to live their life in a stupor, that's their choice". But you want to make their choice illegal.
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The war on drugs just needs to be unfunded....and blessings from the state needs included.
Its like bastard children, promiscuity and queers.
When they and they alone foot the responsibility and the bills or starve or die in the street, none are so cool or glamorous....
Harsh, but even socialists get tired of funding bad behavior.
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I'd like to see the weed heads and potential growers expand upon how our country and society will be improved by legalizing weed. I just don't see any benefits? ...
If you are anti-freedom, you won't see any benefit of ending MJ prohibition even if I point it out. Society would be improved by having those MJ-prohibition LEO's find productive and fulfilling work. And we could reduce the size of our obese and over-reaching government. That's funny sheit, thanks! Only a Californian would consider more laws freedom.
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The war on drugs just needs to be unfunded....and blessings from the state needs included.
Its like bastard children, promiscuity and queers.
When they and they alone foot the responsibility and the bills or starve or die in the street, none are so cool or glamorous....
Harsh, but even socialists get tired of funding bad behavior.
And that's the only answer. Otherwise it's just further enabling.
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I haven't smoked dope since I was in the Army many years ago. Yet I now know productive people who use it regularly with no harm. I also know people who use it regularly to their great detriment.
Substitute "alcohol" in the above paragraph.
Tell me what is the difference?
Hell if the righteous pot banners here had their way we couldn't buy beer on Sunday and WalMart would be locked down on Sunday.
Sorta reminds one of Islam...doesn't it?
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Did Colorado get money from the tobacco lawsuits?
I'm not for banning pot, I'm for banning the social safety net that seems to go with its legalization.
No fan of muzzies; but a chink opium society is no better.....
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Wanna see something real interesting, take a look at this and read section 3 (What do I pay for an Oregon Medical Marijuana Card?). Receive food stamps, get a discount. On SSI, get a discount. Knocked out six illegitimate kids, get a discount. Typical Oregonian, get a discount. https://public.health.oregon.gov/Di...MedicalMarijuanaProgram/Pages/top20.aspx
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I'm not for banning pot, I'm for banning the social safety net that seems to go with its legalization. That safety net needs to be banned for all able bodied, working aged people...period.
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Now you're a bigot, a racist and want children to starve......
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I should have addressed the original question in my first post. From a regulatory standpoint, prohibiting something takes less regulation than allowing it. Allowing something with medical and societal consequences will take a LOT more governmental regulations than prohibiting it, and you still need a mechanism and expenditure of effort for dealing with the people who violate the new regulations. So, legalization will not lift the need for enforcement, and you can expect regulations to increase as well. That's what I've been thinking too. So so-called War on (some) Drugs has been the subterfuge to take the rest of your rights. Never mind that the prohibition of marijuana has been built on a foundation of lies.
Marijuana prohibition and it's enforcement has been more harmful to our society than legalization ever could have been. There are only two groups benefiting from this: 1) The govt as it grabs more power and stomps on your rights, and 2) the Cartels who get incredibly rich and engage in savage violence to protect their interests. The rest of us are caught in the middle. Correct you are. A strong current of Puritanism runs through this forum. A lot of people here are against anything or anyone that favors anything fun except guns. If they held sway we would still have prohibition, women would not be voting (not such a bad idea) and "witches" would be burning. I am of the firm opinion that pot, like gay marriage, will soon be legal at the Fed and (all) state level. Tell me I am wrong. That's a rather gigantic leap rocket shot of logic!  (FWIW, "no" isn't automatically a dirty word.) I don't see making it easier or socially acceptable benefiting society one iota, quite the contrary. Being illegal doesn't stop people from using it, any more than prohibition stopped people from using alcohol. Many billions of taxpayers dollars are spent every year on arresting people for using marijuana, throwing them in jail, trying them, convicting them, and them putting them in prison...all paid for by the U.S. taxpayer. What a waste of money and resources... I seriously doubt it will ever be unregulated, hence there will always be laws, regulations, LEO involvement� People use meth too though it is illegal to manufacture. Would it help if that was legalized too? (Perhaps we could at least have our good Suda-fed once again the.  )
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Hell if the righteous pot banners here had their way we couldn't buy beer on Sunday and WalMart would be locked down on Sunday.
Sorta reminds one of Islam...doesn't it?
Your leaps in logic are stupefying. The 'art' of presumption can be rather condescending. But if you don't want to purchase beer on Sundays, I won't judge you one way or another. (But why shut Wal-Mart only on Sundays�.I guess I don't understand that part. I'd just close the dumb things down 24/7/365 if I had my way.)
Sometimes, the air you 'let in'matters less than the air you 'let out'.
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