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Re: Why Use Large Bore For Deer? DigitalDan #9322368 11/09/14
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George_De_Vries_3rd Campfire Ranger Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 17,118 Likes: 2	Originally Posted by DigitalDan I'm pretty sure he would have opted for belt fed at one point, had it been available. Or even a Warthog.

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Re: Why Use Large Bore For Deer? Overkill45 #9327421 11/10/14
Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 9,098 New Mexico prairie dog shooter Campfire Outfitter
prairie dog shooter Campfire Outfitter Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 9,098 New Mexico	No matter how you try to spin it, traditionalist are typically hypocrites while they run around in Under Armor, Thinsulate and carry a smartphone or GPS while hunting. As i said ive seen it far too often. If that's true, you are hanging with the wrong crowd. "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." Edmund Burke 1795 "Give me liberty or give me death" Patrick Henry 1775

Re: Why Use Large Bore For Deer? prairie dog shooter #9327758 11/11/14
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captchee Campfire Regular C Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,624 Idaho	Originally Posted by prairie dog shooter No matter how you try to spin it, traditionalist are typically hypocrites while they run around in Under Armor, Thinsulate and carry a smartphone or GPS while hunting. As i said ive seen it far too often. If that's true, you are hanging with the wrong crowd. OH , I don�t know Prairie dog . For some its about the gun . Im thinking no different then those who shoot AR�s , SKS or any type of battle rifle. Yet never served in the military . I wonder , are they Hypocrites because they don�t dress in combat fatigues ? Are they Hypocrites because they enjoy such rifles. Not in my opinion. I must say this . These type of discussions are like trying to convince a liberal that they do more harm then good in that it ends up with insults vs. actual discussion base on merit of whats actually being said. �NOT sayin anyone here is a liberal past anything but liberalization of rules . Just making a comparison.� THUS, every time one of these discussions comes up and comments are judge by their merit , someone has to make a comment about those who don�t dress traditionally, leather under wear �.. . Yet ,,, and maybe I have missed it . But I have yet to read the other side openly calling the modern inline folks � Posers � or �Hypocrites� Would it be that hard to substantiate � NO . as I said before . The advertising , articles and discussion threads ay one thing . But when backed into qualifying those oppenions ,, suddenly that info is all false , untrue ��. Even when a common acceptable ground can be found . That ground must be guarded with a fever . For in short order that common ground will be forgotten . Personally I could give a rats ass how you dress . But in all fairness , with the quality of a % the general hunting public these days your probably more then likely to get shot even if you tie a neon sign to your ass . So if traditionalists are hypocrites . Then does that not make the modern inline folks Posers?

Re: Why Use Large Bore For Deer? captchee #9328886 11/11/14
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DigitalDan Campfire Kahuna Joined: May 2004 Posts: 56,153 Likes: 11 In the Swamps	Aye, this was comment that irked me more than a little. I am..........disturbed. Concerning the difference between man and the jackass: some observers hold that there isn't any. But this wrongs the jackass. -Twain

Re: Why Use Large Bore For Deer? DigitalDan #9329582 11/11/14
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BarHunter Campfire Member B Joined: Sep 2014 Posts: 245 Oregon	Yeah, but you're disturbed. Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the outcome of the vote.

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Re: Why Use Large Bore For Deer? BarHunter #9330171 11/11/14
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40shooter New Member Joined: Nov 2014 Posts: 19 Kirksville, MO	Hope its not political but I had a small doe get up and run off after shot with a 40 cal round ball. From now on I'll use a 50 or larger/ with maxi ball and relegate the 40 for target or squirrel work. aka: 4065 Shooter, LBjr. Very interested in JH Durkee Muzzleloaders, slug guns, schuetzen, BPCRS

Re: Why Use Large Bore For Deer? 40shooter #9330426 11/12/14
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captchee Campfire Regular C Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,624 Idaho	Originally Posted by 40shooter Hope its not political but I had a small doe get up and run off after shot with a 40 cal round ball. From now on I'll use a 50 or larger/ with maxi ball and relegate the 40 for target or squirrel work. That can happen regardless of what projectile , gun or for that matter bow and arrow combo you chose to use . I submit that if that were not the case , then we would have little or no wound loss data for center fire seasons or for that mater muzzle loading hunts where 45 cal or better for deer and 50 cal or better for elk and bear are required .

Re: Why Use Large Bore For Deer? captchee #9330441 11/12/14
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RWE Campfire Ranger Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 26,524 Old North State	Guys, I got to admit, the zen here about traditionalists, large bore, small bore, flinters, percussion, BP versus substitutes and such have got me confused, and its hard to follow. What am I if I hunt with a 54 caliber underhammer with prbs and Goex FFFg?

Re: Why Use Large Bore For Deer? RWE #9330649 11/12/14
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LeonHitchcox Campfire Tracker L Joined: May 2005 Posts: 6,546 Pikeville, TN	Originally Posted by RWE Guys, I got to admit, the zen here about traditionalists, large bore, small bore, flinters, percussion, BP versus substitutes and such have got me confused, and its hard to follow. What am I if I hunt with a 54 caliber underhammer with prbs and Goex FFFg? A man with style. I really like that under hammer you posted up.

Re: Why Use Large Bore For Deer? RWE #9331001 11/12/14
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fish head Campfire Ranger Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 17,289 I'm in Kalifornia	Originally Posted by RWE Guys, I got to admit, the zen here about traditionalists, large bore, small bore, flinters, percussion, BP versus substitutes and such have got me confused, and its hard to follow. What am I if I hunt with a 54 caliber underhammer with prbs and Goex FFFg? Gay ... ??? You're shooting the .270 of MLs.

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Re: Why Use Large Bore For Deer? RWE #9333043 11/13/14
Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,624 Idaho C captchee Campfire Regular
captchee Campfire Regular C Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,624 Idaho	Originally Posted by RWE Guys, I got to admit, the zen here about traditionalists, large bore, small bore, flinters, percussion, BP versus substitutes and such have got me confused, and its hard to follow. What am I if I hunt with a 54 caliber underhammer with prbs and Goex FFFg? While some would say otherwise , Imo your in the traditional book as under hammers date rather early and were made in flintlock . The design was and still is based on a muzzle loading design and but for converting to cap ignition , were un changed in design by the early 19th century . I would also say that some of the early inline designs would fall also into that category with alittle modification. But then most folks probably wouldn�t find then to pleasing to shoot . Not to mention rather troublesome in the ignition system Last edited by captchee; 11/13/14.

Re: Why Use Large Bore For Deer? RWE #9333497 11/13/14
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Pappy348 Campfire Ranger Joined: Nov 2013 Posts: 28,809 Likes: 3 West of the Blue Ridge	Originally Posted by RWE Guys, I got to admit, the zen here about traditionalists, large bore, small bore, flinters, percussion, BP versus substitutes and such have got me confused, and its hard to follow. What am I if I hunt with a 54 caliber underhammer with prbs and Goex FFFg? What kind of underhammer do you have? Just curious; why the 3f instead of 2f? What fresh Hell is this?

Re: Why Use Large Bore For Deer? Pappy348 #9333780 11/13/14
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DigitalDan Campfire Kahuna Joined: May 2004 Posts: 56,153 Likes: 11 In the Swamps	My underhammer dotes on Swiss 1.5 fg, cross strip patches and .50 caliber conicals. It is near 140 years old, has an ancient 16x scope and flies hate it. Boom I am..........disturbed. Concerning the difference between man and the jackass: some observers hold that there isn't any. But this wrongs the jackass. -Twain

Re: Why Use Large Bore For Deer? Pappy348 #9333844 11/13/14
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RWE Campfire Ranger Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 26,524 Old North State	Originally Posted by Pappy348 Originally Posted by RWE Guys, I got to admit, the zen here about traditionalists, large bore, small bore, flinters, percussion, BP versus substitutes and such have got me confused, and its hard to follow. What am I if I hunt with a 54 caliber underhammer with prbs and Goex FFFg? What kind of underhammer do you have? Just curious; why the 3f instead of 2f? I built it. I had small amounts of FFg and FFFg at the house when I was test firing, and the FFFg worked out more consistent in the round bottom rifling with (really) thick patches.

Re: Why Use Large Bore For Deer? captchee #9335324 11/13/14
Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 9,098 New Mexico prairie dog shooter Campfire Outfitter
prairie dog shooter Campfire Outfitter Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 9,098 New Mexico	Originally Posted by captchee Originally Posted by prairie dog shooter No matter how you try to spin it, traditionalist are typically hypocrites while they run around in Under Armor, Thinsulate and carry a smartphone or GPS while hunting. As i said ive seen it far too often. If that's true, you are hanging with the wrong crowd. OH , I don�t know Prairie dog . For some its about the gun . Im thinking no different then those who shoot AR�s , SKS or any type of battle rifle. Yet never served in the military . I wonder , are they Hypocrites because they don�t dress in combat fatigues ? Are they Hypocrites because they enjoy such rifles. Not in my opinion. I must say this . These type of discussions are like trying to convince a liberal that they do more harm then good in that it ends up with insults vs. actual discussion base on merit of whats actually being said. �NOT sayin anyone here is a liberal past anything but liberalization of rules . Just making a comparison.� THUS, every time one of these discussions comes up and comments are judge by their merit , someone has to make a comment about those who don�t dress traditionally, leather under wear �.. . Yet ,,, and maybe I have missed it . But I have yet to read the other side openly calling the modern inline folks � Posers � or �Hypocrites� Would it be that hard to substantiate � NO . as I said before . The advertising , articles and discussion threads ay one thing . But when backed into qualifying those oppenions ,, suddenly that info is all false , untrue ��. Even when a common acceptable ground can be found . That ground must be guarded with a fever . For in short order that common ground will be forgotten . Personally I could give a rats ass how you dress . But in all fairness , with the quality of a % the general hunting public these days your probably more then likely to get shot even if you tie a neon sign to your ass . So if traditionalists are hypocrites . Then does that not make the modern inline folks Posers? I forget, sarcasm doesn't always come across well on the internet. What I meant was, if he thinks those guys are hypocrites for dressing in modern clothing and hunting with traditional muzzle loaders, he should just stop hunting with them. To clarify my position on the matter; If that makes me a hypocrite in another man's opinion, fine. He doesn't have to approve, join in, associate with me, hunt with me, or give a tinkers' damn about me. I can't see how it's any of my business how another man wants to hunt (or dress). If I don't like it, I just don't do it. (If a liberal don't like it, he doesn't want anyone to do it.) "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." Edmund Burke 1795 "Give me liberty or give me death" Patrick Henry 1775

Re: Why Use Large Bore For Deer? fish head #9335408 11/13/14
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4ager Campfire Ranger Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 23,453	Originally Posted by fish head Originally Posted by RWE Guys, I got to admit, the zen here about traditionalists, large bore, small bore, flinters, percussion, BP versus substitutes and such have got me confused, and its hard to follow. What am I if I hunt with a 54 caliber underhammer with prbs and Goex FFFg? Gay ... ??? You're shooting the .270 of MLs. Build one, from scratch, better and then you can bitch. Originally Posted by Mannlicher America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.

Re: Why Use Large Bore For Deer? prairie dog shooter #9336002 11/14/14
Joined: May 2004 Posts: 56,153 Likes: 11 In the Swamps DigitalDan Campfire Kahuna
DigitalDan Campfire Kahuna Joined: May 2004 Posts: 56,153 Likes: 11 In the Swamps	For purposes of clarification, for reasons not clear the attribution belongs here rather than on others quoted as saying the following...first page of this thread. Originally Posted by Overkill45 No matter how you try to spin it, traditionalist are typically hypocrites while they run around in Under Armor, Thinsulate and carry a smartphone or GPS while hunting. As i said ive seen it far too often. Made me grind my teeth a bit. It is a broad statement that insults without justification IMO. There are a lot of traditional hunters in my neighborhood that do nothing of the sort. I'd guess these fellas might take offense. I am..........disturbed. Concerning the difference between man and the jackass: some observers hold that there isn't any. But this wrongs the jackass. -Twain

Re: Why Use Large Bore For Deer? 4ager #9336028 11/14/14
Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,624 Idaho C captchee Campfire Regular
captchee Campfire Regular C Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,624 Idaho	Originally Posted by 4ager Originally Posted by fish head Originally Posted by RWE Guys, I got to admit, the zen here about traditionalists, large bore, small bore, flinters, percussion, BP versus substitutes and such have got me confused, and its hard to follow. What am I if I hunt with a 54 caliber underhammer with prbs and Goex FFFg? Gay ... ??? You're shooting the .270 of MLs. Build one, from scratch, better and then you can bitch. OK , but i think we would have to see RWE's underhammer first , to as to know just what level to consider better .LOL RWE , i use 3 F in my 54 cal as well . in fact i even use it in my 62's . OH and here are a couple of my builds from this and other planks like them . I cut most of my english and black walnuts as well as Red and broad leaf maples , here localy it would take me way , way to long to upload and post photos LOL , but here are a few to this or this [img]http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y242/captchee/Rifles/DSC_0042.jpg[/img] [img]http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y242/captchee/Rifles/Picture004.jpg[/img] [img]http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y242/captchee/Rifles/Picture002.jpg[/img] [img]http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y242/captchee/Rifles/storm007_zps350e3da6.jpg[/img]

Re: Why Use Large Bore For Deer? captchee #9336050 11/14/14
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RWE Campfire Ranger Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 26,524 Old North State	capt, if I ever got to that level of ART, I would not be at a desk 40 miles from my house. I hope the Gods of wood and metal are taking care of you. My humble offering After season, when I can clean it up, I'll get better pics.

Re: Why Use Large Bore For Deer? captchee #9336147 11/14/14
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Pappy348 Campfire Ranger Joined: Nov 2013 Posts: 28,809 Likes: 3 West of the Blue Ridge	Amazing stuff. If I could make, or even afford, rifles like that, I wouldn't be much interested in modern stuff either. Last edited by Pappy348; 11/14/14. What fresh Hell is this?

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