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Bristoe,
You may be correct? I am watching the hunger games as I type this, maybe thats our future?

Picking up your guns and killing Americans is a sorry excuse because we can't get our point of view across.

If you care enough, go to school, become a teacher, THAT is where we are losing the Civil War.

Wrong.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-...new-york-in-rebuff-to-euro-doubters.html

Good luck teaching the entitlement crowd they have to be responsible and productive.

Killing people is almost never the answer and I believe we are a long ways from that.

The people haven't begun to suffer enough for that.

Oh, so they suddenly changed their minds? really? Do you believe that?

Yeah, I do. It was a fringe anti-EU party that wanted to bring the gold home. Do you really think that Germany would let it slide if they thought that we did something with their gold?

Political games? then again we may never know, time will tell?

My wife stated she was quitting the media for awhile; just too sad and depressing, and the part about helping others advance does as much for one's outlook and mental health as it does the recipient.

Where do you think the entitlement crowd learns it?

Kids today are only as screwed up as their screwed up parents raised them to be and allowed them to be.

Most were not raised by their parents. They were raised by the public school system, and more is the pity.

Im actually very impressed with the responses to this.
The reason I posted this was for ill feelings over the way we seem to be stonewalled by liberals in this country.

I believe our constitution is very good, but look how the liberals and democrats seem to want to bypass it, or runover it. Hello, people, earth to humans, if we cant get the dems to obide by our rule of law, we are in deep doo doo...............that's the point

If I lived in CA I would be ready to go postal too.

The (5) billionaires that outspent gun owners 16:1 on the draconian anti gun I-594 in WA state 12 days ago have me feeling like fight or flight.

Nah - ya just use one of these:





Interesting to read all the above posts.. We have quite the assortment of pacifists, theorists, war-mongers, realists, pragmatists...along with those with a load of experience and those with zero..

I do agree that the story of the Bosnian survivalist brings reality to the forefront.. And it's a story well worth the read..

Many above are sure right about one thing though - the collapse is definitely coming - sooner or later - and it's a wise family that strives to be in a position to mitigate the result..

Only congress can give us back our country by erasing the last 20 years. But a civil war after a few genocides would give us a new country to build.

Not confusing hopes with expectations here, but I am very pessimistic about the course we are on. Lot's of anger to go around, many little pimples that could pop at the wrong time and wrong way and the next thing you know we have blood on the streets. Where it leads is anybody's guess.

Our national problems reach all the way to bedrock and will either be difficult or impossible to solve. Social issues may be more tractable than fiscal issues, and perhaps both pale in the face of global unrest. Our infrastructure is severely pressed and aging and it seems that few have the stones to meet these issues head on. Where it leads, nobody knows.

I do know this and a few of you do as well. There is a vast gulf between Hollywood's version of war and reality. The reality of warfare is a serious challenge to the average soul. You'll see and do things never imagined, that you will never forget and never wish to repeat. Ugly redefined.

Don't get in too much of a hurry to be a Rambo protege. If forced to go there, don't forget the reason for the drill and put compassion in the back of the locker. Don't spend a lot of time celebrating small victories because horror is just around the corner, waiting to pizz on your parade.

All of this can be fixed by peaceful means, it just requires a nutsack and nutsacks are a rare commodity these days in the U.S.

There is a reason empires fall, those that could make a difference are, through the inherent prosperity of an empire, too soft, complacent and lack the will necessary to do what is required.

The U.S. can't vote it's way out of this issue nor can Congress fix it. The left has loaded the dice with millions and millions of new voters bribed by freebies and promises.

The only way to fix this problem, short of Civil War is to peaceably carve the country in two, those that exemplify American ideals will gravitate to the half that supports such idealism and those looking for freebies and handouts will gravitate to the other.

Half will always be better than nothing and nothing is the next stop on the roadmap.

BUMP

I believe that our situation could be considerably improved if the states called a constitutional convention.

There are many who fear this, since they think that the outcome is unpredictable. I think their fears are unfounded, since a large majority of states must ratify any changes and that alone would stop any ridiculous changes.

A year or two ago, a list of about 10 new amendments was circulating, and some of them seemed quite sensible.

Among the amendments was a cap on federal revenues as a percentage of
GDP. With some sort of safety valve for times of war, that makes a lot of sense to me: The beast runs on money. Limit its size and reach by limiting its money.

In our state at least, most of the state budget is money supplied by the federal government and the federal government does a lot of social engineering with strings attached to that money. I could see an amendment that curbed that. One suggestion is that federal money comes in block grants with no strings, and another is that taxes are collected by the states and forwarded to the federal government.

I could support an amendment allowing 2/3 of the state legislatures to override a federal law or regulation.

Right now, there is no mechanism for recalling a US Senator who needs to be recalled. While I do think direct election of Senators is a good idea, I think a supermajority in both houses of a state legislature ought to be able to send a Senator packing.

The Supreme Court has gutted the Privileges and Immunities Clause of the Constitution. An amendment to put that straight would be a good thing in my opinion.

And I think that we need to clarify and limit the government's ability to take private property, such as eminent domain and law enforcement seizure of money or property without the filing of charges.

I'd be happy with strengthening the 4th Amendment. Government spying is just out of hand.

Rebalance things a bit to curb some of the worst abuses, and I think things could be a lot better.

The state convention doesn't actually have to pass any amendments at all in order to be effective. It just has to look like a credible threat, and Congress will be forced to pass laws that accomplish much of the same intent in order to take the steam out of the movement to pass the amendments.

All very sensible - as usual..