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"I can't breeve. It's your turn to drag this freakin' deer." That's how I roll. 
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I can't bereeve you're tired already.
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"I can't breeve. It's your turn to drag this freakin' deer." That's I roll. You're my son, aren't you.
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And no, it's NOT their skin color... The simple fact is that none of these guys would have died if they had chosen to NOT let the attitude of thug culture rule them.
When confronted, we have a choice and have control over our response and actions.
If you want to take this a step further, both of these "brave souls" had problems with authority. Obey the law and live, screw with the law and what do you expect??
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So do you have a policy that says once we are in the process of subduing you and until you are subdued, whatever is happening to you is irrelevant your fault for not complying with instructions?
fixed that's a pretty steep price to pay for not wanting to be arrested, even for the 32nd time. It's not like he was sentenced to death. Nobody said the price he should pay is death. But how do you assess somebody who doesn't understand, can't figure out or just doesn't care that he will not get out of being arrested. All he can do is choose to make it harder on himself, yet that is the choice he decides on.
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I guess it boils down to - is everyone you encounter as a cop a threat? Did Garner die because he was perceived as a threat?
To be succinct. Yes. And Garner, having 31 priors, would be known to most cops in the area, and you could pretty well guess things aren't gonna go smooth for #32 Oh, and for his actions to negate his pleas...another Yes. When I do a ride-along with one of our K9 guys, what absolutely scares the schitt out of me the most is a basic traffic stop. If you did have a desire to spend time on the street, you'd understand why. and that, is a very true statement, you just don't know what is in that car. I remember this little ol man, and he was that, that was about 2/3rds crazy, particularly when drinking. It took two or three guys to get him cuffed. Course in those days you didn't have the second guessing you do today. Must of looked funny watching it, but he was a serious threat. a 350 pound man is a serious threat.
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And no, it's NOT their skin color... The simple fact is that none of these guys would have died if they had chosen to NOT let the attitude of thug culture rule them.
When confronted, we have a choice and have control over our response and actions.
If you want to take this a step further, both of these "brave souls" had problems with authority. Obey the law and live, screw with the law and what do you expect?? Those drawing an equivalency between the two cases are entirely off base, IMO. In Ferguson you had a guy who was being aggressive in the extreme and the cop was alone. Here the guy just basically went down and complained he couldn't breathe, with lots of fellow cops there to assist. Night and day.
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Incredible that you can be this obtuse.
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And no, it's NOT their skin color... The simple fact is that none of these guys would have died if they had chosen to NOT let the attitude of thug culture rule them.
When confronted, we have a choice and have control over our response and actions.
If you want to take this a step further, both of these "brave souls" had problems with authority. Obey the law and live, screw with the law and what do you expect?? Those drawing an equivalency between the two cases are entirely off base, IMO. In Ferguson you had a guy who was being aggressive in the extreme and the cop was alone. Here the guy just basically went down and complained he couldn't breathe, with lots of fellow cops there to assist. Night and day. He still thought he was above being arrested and DID NOT COMPLY WITH THE POLICE ORDER TO SUBMIT.
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No, because the cops are trained to not listen to those pleas as it will get them hurt or worse more often than not. No one forces you to take a job you think is too dangerous to do without killing folks needlessly in the street. Choke holds do not kill people. If they did, they would not be a legal means of less lethal force in the state of NY. Travis
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He still thought he was above being arrested and DID NOT COMPLY WITH THE POLICE ORDER TO SUBMIT. Granted. The cops couldn't just leave. They had a duty to arrest. The main problem I have is what they did (and failed to do) after he was complaining about not being able to breath. At least get off and check the guy. Cops, it seems, just assume that every time someone complains of medical issues during an arrest, the arrestee is faking it. You can't assume that. It might increase danger to cops to check, but that's not avoidable.
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ever get the impression that this discussion has hit the wall?  I'd call it a choke point. that's fine, as long as there are no chickens involved. 
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ever get the impression that this discussion has hit the wall? I'd call it a choke point. that's fine, as long as there are no chickens involved. ![[Linked Image]](http://miyagi.sg/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/rubber-chicken.jpg)
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And no, it's NOT their skin color... The simple fact is that none of these guys would have died if they had chosen to NOT let the attitude of thug culture rule them.
When confronted, we have a choice and have control over our response and actions.
If you want to take this a step further, both of these "brave souls" had problems with authority. Obey the law and live, screw with the law and what do you expect?? Those drawing an equivalency between the two cases are entirely off base, IMO. In Ferguson you had a guy who was being aggressive in the extreme and the cop was alone. Here the guy just basically went down and complained he couldn't breathe, with lots of fellow cops there to assist. Night and day. He didn't just "went down". He was forcefully taken down bcause he was resisting arrest. I'll ask again. Please cite the experience you have in police training that grants you expert status....
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ever get the impression that this discussion has hit the wall? I'd call it a choke point. that's fine, as long as there are no chickens involved. I see what you did there
The government plans these shootings by targeting kids from kindergarten that the government thinks they can control with drugs until the appropriate time--DerbyDude
Whatever. Tell the oompa loompa's hey for me. [/quote]. LtPPowell
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ever get the impression that this discussion has hit the wall? I'd call it a choke point. that's fine, as long as there are no chickens involved. They're for cuddling, not choking. They're sensitive.
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I just wonder if all this national attention is going to result in policy change?
Police policy is a state and local issue but a national outcry across the nation might lead to some federal guidelines tied to funding.
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ever get the impression that this discussion has hit the wall? I'd call it a choke point. that's fine, as long as there are no chickens involved. If the chicken can't breeve you gotta let em go.
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I just wonder if all this national attention is going to result in policy change?
Police policy is a state and local issue but a national outcry across the nation might lead to some federal guidelines tied to funding. Just what a socialist fascist would want; a national police force.
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
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I'm not sure why you posted that article. But a choke hold is legal to use in the state of NY if the sworn officer is executing a lawful arrest. And like I previously stated, choke holds do not kill people. Travis
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