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Pure, unadulterated leftist/democrat horsehit.
Some FACTS:
Cuba, thanks to it's close proximity to the US, was blessed by having US businesses on the island and even owned quite a bit of the infrastructure. The population had the largest MIDDLE CLASS (by US standards) than any other country in the western hemisphere (except the US).

Some more facts: The mainstay of the Cuban diet was BEEF, unlike most other Latin American countries (save Argentina) where grain is the staple (hint: you need MONEY to buy beef).

per capita use of SOAP and DETERGENTS was higher in Cuba than even the US (my dad, among other endeavors was in advertising and represented J. Walter Thompson in Cuba). HINT: if you are POOR, your first priority ain't SOAP.

The literacy rate was the highest in the Southern Hemisphere.
Cuba had more automobiles, tv sets, per capita than any other nation in the Southern Hemisphere. in fact, COLOR TV was made available FIRST in Cuba (thanks to the US of course) because there was a good TEST MARKET for the new set. HINT: an impoverished nation can't afford TVs.

The Cuban Peso was on a par with the US Dollar.
The University Of Havana Medical School partnered with Mayo and Harvard.

Yes Cuba was a single-crop economy (sugar) with a huge tourism industry, but GM. Ford & Chrysler had plants there, Exxon and Shell had refineries, United Fruit Company was heavily invested, as were the electrical and gas grids on the island.

These are just some I could think of this morning while I sit in my office. You have no idea how much leftists that call themselves moderates (incidentally, WTF is a "moderate" anyway) who spooge all over Castro since the 60s, spew that garbage that Cuba was a "poor" country. It wasn't the US for sure, but it was blessed to have been so close to the US, enjoying much of their benefits, yet retaining it's island, more laid back culture and unique way of life.

yes, it had a definitive class system (thank GOD), and nowhere near the personal freedoms we enjoy here, but it was a hell of a lot better place before Castro and his murdering thugs ruined it. So who put him in power? The Cuban "intelligentsia", aka leftist "moderates", gullible idiots (read: democrats) and with a lot of help from here with people of the same ilk. You have no phouking clue (as usual) djs.

government employed and socialist? do you enjoy being wrong for a living or are you just stupid as a result on inbreeding, "JoeBob"? I work for a private company, although I do enjoy my 90K plus pension in an addition to my non-government six-figure salary. Oh, and you never did respond to my query about your military service.. Thanks for making my day.

Now THIS is a response I'd expect from a "progressive"!! Getting stupid,lazy and unimaginative people to bring THEMSELVES up is never considered but dragging EVERYBODY DOWN to a common level of misery is acceptable. Castro did that so that explains why you appear so supportive.

[quote=jorgeI]
Yes, the Cuban economy (pre-Castro) did have a wealthy class, but the economic benefits were largely unequal and not divided between the business owners and the workers. Many of the companies were foreign owned and the capital out-flowed to other nations.

Today, conditions are even worse for the average worker with an average income of about $20 month (source: news reports).

The point I was making is that with some sort of normalization of relations, US investment will be possible that will both add to the benefit of the average Cuban and to the US economy; direct discussions between the two governments will permit the US to have some influence over the direction of a future Cuba (we currently have zero) and, hopefully Cuba will be less brutal toward those favoring a more democratic future.

The US is the only major power that does not have a trading presence in Cuba. Trade has benefited Canada, Germany, Spain, Japan, UK, etc. Major deals n the telecommunications field have escaped US companies.

I understand your resentment of Cuba, but in light of other (US allies) nations trading with Cuba, what benefit accrues to the anyone by continuing a relic of the cold war?

some discussion of Cuban economy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Cuba

Save your "moderate" opinion, thanks.

For a defense company that soaks the US taxpayer after a life of soaking the US taxpayer. You're really no different than Michelle Obama. An undeserving elitist living off the largesse of the US taxpayer without the grace or good sense to realize it.

And, yes, I have answered your question. I have been in the military. A field artillery officer as a matter of fact. Although, I would never call it "service" as that I was paid for doing it, rather well for a single guy at the time.

Something is "service" only if you do it for free. If you are paid, it is a job.

Jerkoff.

For a defense company that soaks the US taxpayer after a life of soaking the US taxpayer. You're really no different than Michelle Obama. An undeserving elitist living off the largesse of the US taxpayer without the grace or good sense to realize it.

And, yes, I have answered your question. I have been in the military. A field artillery officer as a matter of fact. Although, I would never call it "service" as that I was paid for doing it, rather well for a single guy at the time.

Something is "service" only if you do it for free. If you are paid, it is a job.

Actually, it's a corporation based in Alaska. So if I were to work for FORD, and FORD sells cars to the Gov't, that makes me a gov't worker too?

Artillery Officer? What's the matter "joe" ain't got the balls to bring back your original, sheet wearing, bigoted handle?

BTW, you ignorant jerk, "service", when speaking of the armed forces is used as in "service to one's country" and has nothing to do with being paid. Then again, you've already established your bona-fides as being a moron and now that we know who you are, your KKK bona-fides are re-established. Ignore function on. FOADASSHOLE.

Uncomfortable truths??? Armed Forces IS a service. You always pay for service whether it is a Doctor,Lawyer,gas station attendant,or county plow truck operator. Sheep my ass. Jorge has been in th line of fire quite a bit. Have you??

Ah Sam, you really mean "usually means accepting the moderate point of view".

December 18, 2014
Can We Send Alan Gross Back to Cuba?
By Matthew Vadum
Why did President Obama engineer a prisoner swap with Communist Cuba involving Alan Gross, an American citizen who badmouthed his own country mere hours after he arrived back on U.S. soil?

It turns out that a cabal of left-wing extremists helped to make Gross's release happen. More on that in a moment.

Just look at the first thing newly freed Gross did upon arriving back in America. He pulled a cowardly pox-on-both-your-houses stunt, drawing a vile moral equivalency between the U.S. and the brutal, fascistic island hellhole he just escaped.

Said Gross (italics added):

I also feel compelled to share with you my utmost respect for and fondness of the people of Cuba. In no way are they responsible for the ordeal to which my family and I have been subjected. To me cubanos, or at least most of them, are incredibly kind, generous and talented. It pains me to see them treated so unjustly as a consequence of two governments' mutually belligerent policies. Five and a half decades of history show us such belligerence inhibits better judgment. Two wrongs never make a right. I truly hope that we can now get beyond these mutually belligerent policies and I was very happy to hear what the president had to say today. It was particularly cool to be sitting next to the secretary of state as he was hearing about his job description for the next couple of months. In all seriousness, this is a game-changer, which I fully support.

What an odd statement for a man released as part of an international James Bond-style spy swap to make. Just hours after coming back to America, he's praising President Obama's newly announced plan to normalize relations with Cuba. It seems staged.

And I may be going out on a limb here, but condemning your own countrymen as imperialist warmongers after they cut a deal to get you repatriated from the clutches of a nasty dictatorship is more than bad form. It reeks of sedition.

Gross was reportedly a subcontractor for the U.S. Agency for International Development, a home for meddling leftist crackpots. He reportedly worked on a program aimed at improving internet access for Cuban Jews. The free flow of information is a threat to any totalitarian regime, so a Cuban court convicted Gross of crimes against the state in 2011, imposing a 15-year prison sentence.

Gross was exchanged for the remaining three members of the so-called Cuban Five �Gerardo Hern�ndez, Antonio Guerrero, and Ram�n Laba�ino � who had been held in U.S. prisons. All five Cuban nationals were convicted of spying in 2001. Hern�ndez was also convicted of conspiring to commit murder.

It is also strange that as Gross prepared for his press conference, there was a portrait of Communist mass murderer Che Guevara clearly visible in the Washington, D.C. office of Gross's lawyer, high-profile ambulance-chaser Scott D. Gilbert of Gilbert LLP. The bloodthirsty Guevara was minister of industry and president of the Cuban National Bank. He also administered kangaroo courts that condemned enemies of Fidel Castro's regime to death.

In other words, as Gross prepared his statement about being freed from a Cuban jail, an iconic photograph honoring Cuba's most infamous jailer stared down at him.

Gross thanked a laundry list of leftists for helping to free him.

Among them were Jill Zuckman of leftist PR firm SKDKnickerbocker, Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.), and Reps. Chris Van Hollen (D-Md.) and Barbara Lee (D-Calif.). SKDKnickerbocker also employs former resident Maoist in the Obama White House Anita Dunn and Democrat operative Hilary Rosen.

What exactly these people did and why they did it may surface in coming days.

But we already know that President Obama delights in trading Americans who hate America for foreign terrorists and murderers who also hate America.

First there was the swap of U.S Army deserter and Taliban collaborator Bowe Bergdahl for five members of the Taliban's high command. Not exactly a good deal for America.

What else does our neo-communist, Alinskyite president have in store for us in his remaining days in office?

Matthew Vadum (website) is an investigative journalist in Washington, D.C., and author of the ACORN/Obama expose, Subversion Inc.: How Obama's ACORN Red Shirts are Still Ripping Off and Terrorizing American Taxpayers. Follow him on Twitter. E-mail him at matthewvadum [at] gmail.com.

Why did President Obama engineer a prisoner swap with Communist Cuba involving Alan Gross, an American citizen who badmouthed his own country mere hours after he arrived back on U.S. soil?

It turns out that a cabal of left-wing extremists helped to make Gross's release happen. More on that in a moment.

Just look at the first thing newly freed Gross did upon arriving back in America. He pulled a cowardly pox-on-both-your-houses stunt, drawing a vile moral equivalency between the U.S. and the brutal, fascistic island hellhole he just escaped.

Said Gross (italics added):

I also feel compelled to share with you my utmost respect for and fondness of the people of Cuba. In no way are they responsible for the ordeal to which my family and I have been subjected. To me cubanos, or at least most of them, are incredibly kind, generous and talented. It pains me to see them treated so unjustly as a consequence of two governments' mutually belligerent policies. Five and a half decades of history show us such belligerence inhibits better judgment. Two wrongs never make a right. I truly hope that we can now get beyond these mutually belligerent policies and I was very happy to hear what the president had to say today. It was particularly cool to be sitting next to the secretary of state as he was hearing about his job description for the next couple of months. In all seriousness, this is a game-changer, which I fully support.

What an odd statement for a man released as part of an international James Bond-style spy swap to make. Just hours after coming back to America, he's praising President Obama's newly announced plan to normalize relations with Cuba. It seems staged.

And I may be going out on a limb here, but condemning your own countrymen as imperialist warmongers after they cut a deal to get you repatriated from the clutches of a nasty dictatorship is more than bad form. It reeks of sedition.

Gross was reportedly a subcontractor for the U.S. Agency for International Development, a home for meddling leftist crackpots. He reportedly worked on a program aimed at improving internet access for Cuban Jews. The free flow of information is a threat to any totalitarian regime, so a Cuban court convicted Gross of crimes against the state in 2011, imposing a 15-year prison sentence.

Gross was exchanged for the remaining three members of the so-called Cuban Five �Gerardo Hern�ndez, Antonio Guerrero, and Ram�n Laba�ino � who had been held in U.S. prisons. All five Cuban nationals were convicted of spying in 2001. Hern�ndez was also convicted of conspiring to commit murder.

It is also strange that as Gross prepared for his press conference, there was a portrait of Communist mass murderer Che Guevara clearly visible in the Washington, D.C. office of Gross's lawyer, high-profile ambulance-chaser Scott D. Gilbert of Gilbert LLP. The bloodthirsty Guevara was minister of industry and president of the Cuban National Bank. He also administered kangaroo courts that condemned enemies of Fidel Castro's regime to death.

In other words, as Gross prepared his statement about being freed from a Cuban jail, an iconic photograph honoring Cuba's most infamous jailer stared down at him.

Gross thanked a laundry list of leftists for helping to free him.

Among them were Jill Zuckman of leftist PR firm SKDKnickerbocker, Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.), and Reps. Chris Van Hollen (D-Md.) and Barbara Lee (D-Calif.). SKDKnickerbocker also employs former resident Maoist in the Obama White House Anita Dunn and Democrat operative Hilary Rosen.

What exactly these people did and why they did it may surface in coming days.

But we already know that President Obama delights in trading Americans who hate America for foreign terrorists and murderers who also hate America.

First there was the swap of U.S Army deserter and Taliban collaborator Bowe Bergdahl for five members of the Taliban's high command. Not exactly a good deal for America.

What else does our neo-communist, Alinskyite president have in store for us in his remaining days in office?

***YOU ARE IGNORING THIS INBRED, ***,

But I'm sure TRH isn't...

What benefit accrues to the Cuban people or the US economy by being the only major power that does not have diplomatic relations or trade with Cuba. Its' like we are the only nation being left out of the party.

" just like the chinks."

Would that be filed under "racist", or "bigot"?

You're the self-appointed expert on the distinction between those two words.