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Do any Canadians use vinegar on their fries anymore?

Malt vinegar, of course they do...


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Originally Posted by Steve Redgwell
Most of those things are regional in origin. Like pop versus soda in the US.

Canada began losing its identity at a fast pace in the 1960s. The most telling proof is the observation that Canadians have to keep repeating over and over that they are not the same as Americans. The harder Canadians try to remain different, the quicker they are absorbed by the US

It hasn�t been the same since cable television and satellite broadcasting came to Canada. The world started getting smaller. It was triggered in the late 1950s down south; a fire was lit that brought the telecommunications age to the fore. It really accelerated with the commencement of the The Space Race. The US had every intention of beating the Russians. NASA needed solid state transistors, truly functional computers and Tang breakfast drink. Life on this rock would never be the same.

Most Canadians had been watching the Vietnam War for a few years, but 1968 was a game changer. Robert Kennedy and Martin Luther King Jr. were killed. Woman's Lib and the gay rights movement were charging ahead. Blacks no longer had to sit in the back of the bus. Canadians took notice, and they were a bit scared.

In Canada in 1968, the CRTC was born, in order to protect us from losing our cultural identity. 40 percent of all movies, TV shows and music played on the radio had to Canadian made. Yuck! It was a sad time for music lovers in the Great White North.

Quebecers were afraid of losing their language and for a time, became more militant. They were merely copying what had been happening in the US for years, but the October Crisis in 1970 shook up the country. Before that, we just were what we were. It seemed that the American folk singer Bob Dylan was right - the times, they were a changin'.

Once upon a time, we made television shows for people to watch. We didn�t care who tuned in. In the late 1960s however, we tried to make television shows the Americans would watch. We had to make them with no reference to their Canadian origins, lest the US audiences discover they were made north of the border. Was there anything north of Buffalo? US weather maps showed a big empty white area above the border...

The numbers of Canadian musicians, television and theatrical performers heading south increased dramatically. There was more money and recognition there. The climate was better, as were working conditions. Actors like Raymond Burr, Lorne Green, Tommy Chong, Hume Cronyn, William Shatner and hundreds of others had left for greener pastures.

We started importing more clothing, hardware, movies and music from the US. We brought fewer European goods. The trade agreements had not changed; we just wanted to be like our big brothers to the south. Inexorably, Canadian children began to take on the speech patterns and mannerisms of their southern neighbours.

Sesame Street. PBS. Disneyland. TV aerials became antennas. God Save the Queen was no longer sung in schools (or the Lord�s Prayer recited for that matter).

The language changed. It's easily noticed these days. Our old fashioned Oxford Concise references � colour, neighbour, odour, etc � had given way to the US spellings. Words that could be verbs or nouns used to be differentiated by slighting spelling changes. Not anymore.

�I practised the clarinet at music practice today.� became, �I practiced the clarinet at music practice today.� Can you see the difference? Do you even care?

Tommy Hunter, Don Messer and the Friendly Giant were replaced by Nashville and Jim Henson.

Kokanee and Labatt�s Blue have been displaced by Coors Light and Budweiser. Molson Breweries and Coors are allegedly equal partners, but I think we all know who�s the boss.

Few Canadians know exactly what the Junos, Geminis or the Academy of Canadian Cinema and Television awards are, or why they are given out. But every Canadian knows about the Grammys and the Oscars.

Trousers have become pants. Blazers became suit jackets. Running shoes have become sneakers. Almost every hamburger served in Canada comes with mayonnaise now. Saskatchewan born Gordie Howe will die in Texas.

The world has changed. It has gotten smaller. I am not angry or dissatisfied with the shift. I only point them out. As the world ages, as the Internets, satellites and technology advance, all the planet�s differences will continue to shrink.

Now comes the interesting part - the defence. Canadians younger than forty-five will try to defend their �unique� heritage; their inherent differences, if you will.

Those older than forty-five will take pause to consider how much has changed since they were young. They will realize the monumental transformation that has occurred over the last forty years. As hard as it will be for most to admit, Canadians are fast becoming Americans.

With every breath, the distinctions fade.

Don't know if this is a cut and paste, or what, but I will tell you categorically in spite of alleged assimilation, Americans who interact with Canadians know fairly quickly the differences in the two cultures. Don't know why Canadians would not do the same. They must realize some differences, otherwise there would not be a high rate of emigration.


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It is not cut and paste. They are observations of a lifetime. As well, I did not say that Canadians have been assimilated. My exact words were, "With every breath, the distinctions fade." I notice differences when I visit California, but they aren't great, just regional.

There will always be some differences. Much the same as people from the state of Washington find New Yorkers or Tennesseans different. Ask an Alaskan what he thinks about New York state. But the differences aren't as great as they once were.

The world is changing.


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Malt vinegar? Yeugh. White vinegar, and lots of salt.


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Originally Posted by grouseman
Malt vinegar? Yeugh. White vinegar, and lots of salt.

is there no end? shocked


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Originally Posted by Mule Deer
Do any Canadians use vinegar on their fries anymore? When I first started spending time in Montana's "sister province" of Alberta 40+ years ago, vinegar was standard, but haven't seen it as much in recent years. Always liked sitting around on a Chesterfield while watching TV and eating fries with vinegar.



Some do, some don't. Its mainstream enough that McDonalds and other originally American fast food places have vinegar in packs alongside the ketchup. My kids use it, so its likely to be around for another generation. I always thought it was a British thing.

I haven't heard anyone say chesterfield in a long time. My mother used to when she was still alive.


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Chesterfield was still pretty common in Alberta when I first spent some time there in 1969. Guess that dates me too!

I hunt in Alberta every couple-three years, but don't eat much at McDonald's or other fast-food places when I do. On one of my recent trips stopped at a restaurant in a small town not too far south of Edmonton. Maybe the waitress had me pegged as American, but I had to ask for vinegar for my fries.


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Originally Posted by ingwe
Exactamundo!


Discovered a 'poutine' up there once....for breakfast! shocked

Also found out they don't know how to make a margarita...


" What Flavor, eh?"

A margarita flavored margarita....

Three tries later I gave up.

LOL! I can only imagine what they'd do with an avacado



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Has anyone mentioned, "Washroom", vs "Bathroom"?
As has been pointed out, how can it be a bathroom with no tub?


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Greetings,

I felt the need to comment here...

Dwayne, I agree, Mayo is an evil substance best reserved for potato salad.

Mule Deer, vinegar is also evil and is best used as a cleaning agent (although my wife loves it on fries).

I was down in LA a few weeks ago and weeks introduced to homemade salsa on eggs, apparently this is common and not too bad... They were shocked to learn I had never had that combination before.

Gentlemen, the differences between the two best countries in the world are not worth spitting over (although amusing at times - huh).

Wishing you all a very Merry Christmas.

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Originally Posted by Mule Deer
Do any Canadians use vinegar on their fries anymore? When I first started spending time in Montana's "sister province" of Alberta 40+ years ago, vinegar was standard, but haven't seen it as much in recent years. Always liked sitting around on a Chesterfield while watching TV and eating fries with vinegar.


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Good evening to you John, I hope this finds you and Eileen doing well this night before, the night before Christmas.

If you're traveling through a city up here and stop at a farmer's market or food truck that serves fries then more often than not they'll have both malt and white vinegar as well as ketchup.

One sees mostly ketchup in the fast food places anymore up in our part of BC though - but their fries pale in comparison to good fry truck fries.

Funny that my parents used to call it a chesterfield, but somehow we don't anymore.

Merry Christmas to you folks John.

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So tell me this Dwayne...why is your ketchup so much better than ours?


I love the stuff when Im up there, the come home and virtually never use the American stuff...


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ingwe;
Good evening to you my cyber friend and while I'm loathe to say our ketchup is "better" I will say our family has noticed a difference for sure and we prefer the Canadian version.

I'd say it's maybe a tad thicker, but the taste of ours is "sharper" for lack of a better term?

That said, I prefer US made Coke - for the same reason - a sharper, less bland flavor than ours.

Taste is always such a tough thing for me to pin down - I'd suggest someone like Eileen Clarke would be able to articulate better why things taste differently - I can only say what I like better.

Then too, as I age I'm finding even that is a moving target as the girls say I put more pepper into my cooking now than previously.

As always I'm only making it taste "good" to me. smile

Merry Christmas to you and yours ingwe.

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Originally Posted by Westcoaster
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I was down in LA a few weeks ago and weeks introduced to homemade salsa on eggs, apparently this is common and not too bad... They were shocked to learn I had never had that combination before.





Little differences between countries is half the fun of travelling. A friend and I were hunting down in Argentina, and stopped at a restaurant for breakfast in Buenos Aires. We were just sort of wandering about on foot and picked the place because the menu in the window had a section in English. An omelet should be a safe bet so we ordered that. A woman customer who could speak English approached us to point out that eating an omelet in the morning was outlandish and unheard of. Apparently it was on the supper menu, and the staff just prepared it to humor the crazy tourists.'course this is the same country that puts hard boiled eggs on a pizza. That's evil.

Salsa on eggs is quite good, my exposure to it was through Mexican omelets, that probably aren't served in Mexico but are fairly popular in Canada.

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Good morning, Dwayne,

Thanks very much for your cultural observations. I have yet to eat any fries in a fast-food place in Canada, but as noted in another post did have to ask for vinegar in a little restaurant in northern Alberta, probably because I was obviously a Yank.

We're doing very well here this Christmas eve, with snow predicted today and tomorrow, common on these two days in this part of Montana. Hope you have an excellent white Christmas too!


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Model70guy,

I also enjoy the differences while traveling to other countries, but some of my companions have not been so adventurous. In fact, I have hunted a few times with a guy who eats a cheeseburger and fries for lunch every day in the U.S., and always has withdrawal symptoms in other countries. Once we were in a hunting camp in Botswana's Okavango Delta, back when hunting was still allowed there, and he insisted the camp staff make cheeseburgers and fries for one meal. They tried, but having never done it before, neither came out the way he expected, and of course he whined. Personally, I was quite happy with the menu they chose to prepare!

A restaurant in Maun, however, did do an acceptable job on a cheeseburger and fries, at least by his standards.


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When I lived in Canada I found Canadian beers to be excellent. I also found the meat, eggs, and poultry to be pretty bland. Probably from a lack of corn finishing. I also found CA to have some excellent cheeses.

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I might just know one phrase that should translate well,

MERRY CHRISTMAS ALL!!!!


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Originally Posted by Mule Deer
...Always liked sitting around on a Chesterfield while watching TV and eating fries with vinegar.

Hope the Chesterfield wasn't lit. (You wouldn't have run that risk with a sofa.) grin



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Have really enjoyed this thread. I traveled in ON and PQ a lot driving a semi, but was always on the run and never got to enjoy my time there. However did go to Sudbury once and would like to go back to do the tourist thing, beautiful place. Always thought the Canadians seemed a little nicer, but that could be because I expected them to be. Well at least in Ontario.


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