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You and I exchanged PM's some years ago, so I respect your opinion, and in fact, I considered the points you raise as I posted my remarks.
But consider, this, please:
In a big city, where another cop is possibly accompanying you, or if not, a call for backup brings one fairly quickly, the "Us vs Them" mindset may actually enhance officer safety. The attitude you project and your manner of speaking, if modified to be more friendly, probably wouldn't make a damn bit of difference as far as changing the mindset of the type people you interact with.
But when rural cops adopt the same attitude and manner of speaking - and many of them have, thanks in large part to TV shows, I believe - they are creating an "Us vs Them" mindset where none existed before. And, in these rural areas, it is detrimental to officer safety as well as making it more difficult to do their job.
A cop in a rural area NEEDS the citizenry more than the individual citizen is ever likely to need him.
And he damn sure needs us more than he NEEDS a member of NYPD.
But he identifies with them, not us.
And there's your "Us vs Them".
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You and I exchanged PM's some years ago, so I respect your opinion, and in fact, I considered the points you raise as I posted my remarks.
But consider, this, please:
In a big city, where another cop is possibly accompanying you, or if not, a call for backup brings one fairly quickly, the "Us vs Them" mindset may actually enhance officer safety. The attitude you project and your manner of speaking, if modified to be more friendly, probably wouldn't make a damn bit of difference as far as changing the mindset of the type people you interact with.
But when rural cops adopt the same attitude and manner of speaking - and many of them have, thanks in large part to TV shows, I believe - they are creating an "Us vs Them" mindset where none existed before. And, in these rural areas, it is detrimental to officer safety as well as making it more difficult to do their job.
A cop in a rural area NEEDS the citizenry more than the individual citizen is ever likely to need him.
And he damn sure needs us more than he NEEDS a member of NYPD.
But he identifies with them, not us.
And there's your "Us vs Them". In your typical "county line" place up to the eighties at least, you have the Sheriff's Office get a call on some scumbag that's wanted or is a known troublemaker that seems about to blow up and an officer shows up. There might be five scumbags in the joint with the one really bad one as the leader and a couple more that might jump in on the cop if the opportunity arises. Then there will be a couple of alcoholic cowboys or farmers that may have been to jail themselves but are basically all right and who are gonna jump in on the side of the cop if the scumbags start to get the upper hand. The "us vs. them" mentality creates a situation where the old cowboy just heads out the backdoor instead.
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Both of these last 2 posts lends more weight to my earleir assertion. It is the Kali to Colorado migration in a nutshell. The boom town aspects of the Dakotas now. The nature of the problems migrates with the troublemakers. To be sure a lot of very first class folks move around a lot,but one RARELY hears of them fomenting violence or other really criminal behavior. Cops tend to morph along with the region they live in. Hell, you guys know there is a lot of meth cooking and usage in rural areas now and meth causes extremes by itself. In my 24 years on the streets, even da 'hood got far more violent and I had to radically change my approach just to survive.
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Crack changed everything, and none of it for the better.
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Crack changed everything, and none of it for the better. Thought y'all declared WAR on it sometime back? 
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I'm pretty sure that was the folks in Washington did that.
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Crack is one extremely potent psychotrope. Three drugs are the worst. PCP(angel dust),crack and meth. The USERS get explosively violent for little descernable reasons. The entire fabric of the areas they rule changes to violence.
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Crack is one extremely potent psychotrope. Three drugs are the worst. PCP(angel dust),crack and meth. The USERS get explosively violent for little descernable reasons. The entire fabric of the areas they rule changes to violence. Given that, it seems that "escalation of force" is not a viable policy for cops. You are going step by step to get to the threshold of "deadly force" and your opponent is skipping all the steps. Just shoot 'em before they get there.
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We didn't want to kill them we wanted them in jail. I am relieved to be retired as the violence is even worse but the rules for the force are far tighter. The citzenry is getting it right in the ass.
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This thread is so..................Last Year.
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Every day on this side of the ground is a win.
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Why does everybody have to be taken to the ground? Do handcuffs only work after being thrown or tackled to the ground? I once worked with a retired Deputy Chief of Police from a very large police force and in the course of conversation we discussed police tactics. His advise was this: 1. NEVER argue with a cop; in the end, he has the last word - "You are under arrest". 2. NEVER touch a cop, even while pointing to make a point (see #1). 3. Once under arrest, he'll ask you to "Turn around" and handcuff you. 4. If you resist or refuse to turn around, he'll throw you to the ground (to get the upper hand) and handcuff you. 4 good rules to remember when talking to a cop.
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He must not have been one of the highly trained ones that we hear much about.
The Mayans had it right. If you�re going to predict the future, it�s best to aim far beyond your life expectancy, lest you wind up red-faced in a bunker overstocked with Spam and ammo.
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He'll probably be on administrative leave for a little while, with full pay, while a report is concocted that clears him of any wrong doing.
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The article says the report of two shots was wrong. There was only one.
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"Should've shot the cont."
Yep, the cop and two security guards were no match for her physically, according to YOUR link.
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Crack is one extremely potent psychotrope. Three drugs are the worst. PCP(angel dust),crack and meth. The USERS get explosively violent for little descernable reasons. The entire fabric of the areas they rule changes to violence. Yep. https://www.ncjrs.gov/txtfiles/psycho.txto Of all psychoactive substances, alcohol is the only one whose consumption has been shown to commonly increase aggression. After large doses of amphetamines, cocaine, LSD, and PCP, certain individuals may experience violent outbursts, probably because of preexisting psychosis. Research is needed on the pharmacological effects of crack, which enters the brain more directly than cocaine used in other forms. o Alcohol drinking and violence are linked through pharmacological effects on behavior, through expectations that heavy drinking and violence go together in certain settings, and through patterns of binge drinking and fighting that sometimes develop in adolescence. o Illegal drugs and violence are linked primarily through drug marketing: disputes among rival distributors, arguments and robberies involving buyers and sellers, property crimes committed to raise drug money and, more speculatively, social and economic interactions between the illegal markets and the surrounding communities.
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