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I use H108 which was sold as being interchangeable with AA#9. It works in my Model 629. Fwiw
I like to do my hunting BEFORE I pull the trigger!
There is only one kind of dead, but there are many different kinds of wounded.
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I know it isn't often mentioned when magnum handgun rounds are discussed, and I haven't done a huge wring-out of it, but I have found 800-X to shoot well in my revolvers from heavy 38 Special loads (180s) through 41 Mag (220s) as well as the 44 Mag. It isn't the fastest powder with heavy bullets in the 44, but it has been available which is a lot more than I can say for H110/W296 or Lil' Gun or 2400 - or just about anything else in handgun applicable propellents.
Sometimes, the air you 'let in'matters less than the air you 'let out'.
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"We have seen numerous barrels damaged by using Lil Gun. According to customers, some had as few as 30 rounds using Lil Gun through them, some had several hundred. Before we figured out what was happening one customer had sent his gun in for a new barrel. Then 600 rounds later it came back for another new barrel.
A couple years ago we did a test with a M83, .357 Mag. using Hornady 180 gr. bullets. We loaded 50 rds. of three different loads. One was a heavy H-110 load and the other two both used Lil Gun in different quantities.
We fired the H-110 loads first, then cut off the threaded end of the barrel. Rethreaded the barrel and shot one of the Lil Gun loads then rethreaded the barrel and shot the last Lil Gun load.
We found even the light load of Lil Gun caused the gun to get extremely hot. The heavy Lil Gun load had the gun so hot the only place we could touch the gun was on the grips and they were very hot.
Under magnification the surface appeared to have heated to a point of flowing using the Lil Gun loads and the heavy load was worse than the light load. This is probably due to Lil Gun having about 10% more nitro glycerin in it than H-110.
I intentionally ran the tests with a cartridge that is less pressure than the 454 just to make sure.
I have also heard of problems with rifles but I haven't tried to verify it by running my own tests."
I got banned on another web site for a debate that happened on this site. That's a first
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WW-296 is as close to H-110 as it gets.
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Campfire 'Bwana
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WW-296 is as close to H-110 as it gets. That is because it is the exact same powder.
I got banned on another web site for a debate that happened on this site. That's a first
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WW-296 is as close to H-110 as it gets. That is because it is the exact same powder. Say it ain't so…  ![[Linked Image]](http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/Screen_Shot_2015-02-08_at_10_58_42_AM.png) (THis is a screenshot taken directly from the Hodgdon MSDS on their website.)
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Sometimes, the air you 'let in'matters less than the air you 'let out'.
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Not being able to find H110 has allowed me to learn how little use I really have for it.
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One does need to get inventive in todays powder market.. Couple of times I have found things better than the old stand by.
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Elmer Keith used 2400 in the 44 magnum. I do too and also have 4 pounds of H110 stashed BUT it is temp sensitive and requires magnum primers here in WYO winters. 4227 is also fine as are Red Dot, Unique and Green dot for light loads. A 300 gr hardcast at 900 fps will kill anything that walks in the lower 48. My lettered 1926 New Service 45 Colt match with 300 gr plain base sorta Keith design bullet loafs out @800 fps. Using the Keith back position (old eyes), bouncing around Kitty Litter jugs at 100 yds is an 80% game. Valuable revolver so I never stress it. ![[Linked Image]](http://i1186.photobucket.com/albums/z377/rocketcity1/file-31.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](http://i1186.photobucket.com/albums/z377/rocketcity1/file-30.jpg)
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Not being able to find H110 has allowed me to learn how little use I really have for it. One of the things I've always like about 110/296 is how easy it is to use; load heavy and it shoots well! It troubles me that my latest 8-pounder is down to a trickle, but I have enough loaded heavy loads for the 44 and 45 revolvers to handle my 'needs'. I just don't have enough to go out and shoot that powder up so I have to resort to whatever I can find. Caught a pound of 800-X a few months ago, and a pound of HS-6 recently. Pistol powders are still scarce.
Sometimes, the air you 'let in'matters less than the air you 'let out'.
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