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30 Super aka 300 H&H is one of the coolest cartridges there is. Accurate, feeds like greased snot and really a ballistic twin (from 1920) to the more current 300 WinMag and 300 WSM.

Five reside in my safe:

M70 Bull Gun
Browning Safari ANNB
Ruger Red pad #1 (converted from 06')
Remington 700 DGR (rebarreled from 375 H&H)
Remington 721 fitted into a 700 Classic stock (piece of cake)

Best bargain today is to find a minty 721 (26" bbl), have a SAKO extractor installed and go to Numrich and buy any 700 long action stock. Sharp chisels and a dremel will have you at the range tomorrow. If you want to dress it up, buy 700
bottom metal.

ALL of mine will shoot the same loads of 4831 and a 168 TSX into 1" or less.

The M 70 is the fastest blowing by 24" bbled 300 WMs and WSMs by 200 fps.

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I love them all but realize being bolt/SS rifles they are not cutting edge technology.

When it comes to hunting, I'm the child of the M-1 and my serious hunting rifle is a Benelli R-1 in 300 Win Mag. It will push the 168 TSX as fast as my 24" 300 H&Hs and has 4 quick accurate (3 cold bbl 1") plus a spare magazine at my hip should I encounter a herd of Zombie Grizzly bears.

With its illuminated 2.5-10x32 Nightforce it took this typical Mulie up in the Wyoming range at 275 yards when the sun wasn't over the mountain.

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Semis are not legal everywhere and some don't trust them, so go with what you like.

The "ultimate Scout rifle" (chuckle) 8 shots quick out of a NM M-1. You carry it and I'll take it hunting !

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If you need help advice fitting the 721 in the 700 stock, PM me and we'll link up.
(I've done 10+)

30 Super rules !


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Classic for sure. 7x64 I'm jealous!!
Holland and Holland introduced the 375 H&H in 1912, after thw success of that cartridge, they used that same case with little modification and created their "Super 30" which is the 300 H&H in 1920. Then in 1935 a chap by the name of Ben Comfort won the 1000yd Wimbledon Cup Match using a 1917 Enfield re-barreled to 300 H&H. When Winchester brought out the Model 70 in 1937, the 375 and 300 H&H became the first belted magnums available in a commercial rifle made in America.
Ken Waters (whom I admire) extolled its virtues and he felt out of all 30 cal magnums its case was the most efficient. He also stated that while some other 30 cal magnums can outperform the 300 H&H as to velocity and the 300 is considered by many to be nothing more than a souped up 30/06, Mr Waters states.."whats wrong with that?"


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Originally Posted by 7x64FN
30 Super aka 300 H&H is one of the coolest cartridges there is. Accurate, feeds like greased snot and really a ballistic twin (from 1920) to the more current 300 WinMag and 300 WSM.

Five reside in my safe:

M70 Bull Gun
Browning Safari ANNB
Ruger Red pad #1 (converted from 06')
Remington 700 DGR (rebarreled from 375 H&H)
Remington 721 fitted into a 700 Classic stock (piece of cake)

Best bargain today is to find a minty 721 (26" bbl), have a SAKO extractor installed and go to Numrich and buy any 700 long action stock. Sharp chisels and a dremel will have you at the range tomorrow. If you want to dress it up, buy 700
bottom metal.

ALL of mine will shoot the same loads of 4831 and a 168 TSX into 1" or less.

The M 70 is the fastest blowing by 24" bbled 300 WMs and WSMs by 200 fps.

[Linked Image]

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I love them all but realize being bolt/SS rifles they are not cutting edge technology.

When it comes to hunting, I'm the child of the M-1 and my serious hunting rifle is a Benelli R-1 in 300 Win Mag. It will push the 168 TSX as fast as my 24" 300 H&Hs and has 4 quick accurate (3 cold bbl 1") plus a spare magazine at my hip should I encounter a herd of Zombie Grizzly bears.

With its illuminated 2.5-10x32 Nightforce it took this typical Mulie up in the Wyoming range at 275 yards when the sun wasn't over the mountain.

[Linked Image]

Semis are not legal everywhere and some don't trust them, so go with what you like.

The "ultimate Scout rifle" (chuckle) 8 shots quick out of a NM M-1. You carry it and I'll take it hunting !

[Linked Image]

If you need help advice fitting the 721 in the 700 stock, PM me and we'll link up.
(I've done 10+)

30 Super rules !



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Originally Posted by Big_Redhead
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short list of rounds I have thought of rebarreling a Stainless Model 77 in are the 30 Remington... and My two Holy Grail Rifles are a Model 30S Rem in that chambering, and a Model 54 in the good old 30/30. As I have gotten older, the 30/30 equivalents are about all I need for the woods distances I hunt at., but I still prefer a bolt action classic over a lever action...

and old rifles, that were built on tough actions, just are off the charts on the cool factor...

I thought I was the only person in the world that has a desire for a 30 Remington. smile Another idea I have is for a wildcat 30 caliber or 7mm based on the 35 Rem case.


Well, there's at least three of us then. I've thought long and hard about having a couple modern bolt guns done up in .30 & .32 Rem, maybe even .25. I think the model Seven would be a perfect platform. Don't know how easy the reamers would be to get though. I had a 141 pump in .32 that was stolen and still have some factory ammo, as well as 8 boxes of .30 that I bought just because I knew I'd eventually get one. Been waiting patiently on cherry models 81 and 141 in .30 & .32 (either combination), but since my eyes ain't what the used to be, "scopeable" bolt guns would get more use...

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Both the 8/81 and 14/141 are scopeable if you don't mind being tarred and feathered by Remington purists. After years of searching I found an 8 in 25 rem with a mint bore. I JB welded a period side mount to it (come right off with a bit of heat). Mine loved 117 gr Sierra Spitzers (brass from Huntingtons, 30 rem reformed, dies from Redding). Put an El Paso Weaver K4 steel dot and Ch on it. It was an honest 1.5" 5 shot rifle @ 100 and blew any 25-35 into the dust.

Before scoping (with scope irons still worked).

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JB gives an excellent rationale for things being what they are and this is not intended to argue anything. It is just a thought on my part.

It seems that there are great numbers of us who have all of the "standard" chamberings but would like to fool around with some of the less common chamberings. We fall into the cheap category. So, I would think that there would be a market for the economy (Ruger American and its clones) rifles to be offered in these chamberings rather than in the ones that we already have covered. (Maybe on a yearly basis like the Remington Classics.)

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We'll have to agree to disagree. Most under 40s don't even know what a 222, 250-3000, 300 Savage, 7x57, 8x57, 9.3x62 etc. are. and complete entry level rifles in those cartridges would never make it. (Ask Savage about their 7x64 "Euro" model)

I think we can all agree, if we were limited, as in Europe, to so many rifles, we could all survive with a 22RF, a 223, a 30-06 and a 375 H&H. Ammo everywhere and a plethora of used and new rifles. Add a 12 bore pump and you're ready to do the world.

Rifle loonies are not the percentage of shooters they were back in the Scheutzen days and never will be. If you want to mess around like I do, you can buy a Savage/Marlin/Ruger switch barrel bolt gun and go over to the dark side as deep as your pockets allow.

I know ! "The Beast" started life as a right bolt left port Savage 6.5/284.
Given to the tender mercies of Scott Null up in Driggs ID, it's now a 338 RUM, 3 groove 36" nitrided barrel and a scope/mounts that cost 250% of the rifle's cost.
It's a 3000 fps 300 gr Berger VLD rifle that will shoot 1/2 MOA as far as I can see.
Yes, you cannot unload a loaded round w/o removing the bolt ...... never have. Empties clear fine. With the sled about 50 pounds and a joy to shoot off a high bar stool. The barrel will never wear out, but if I ever got bored I could send it back to Scott, drop another $600 for a new bbl and bolt head and have anything from a 17 Hornet to a 460 Weatherby. A'int progress wonderful ?

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At the other end of rifle looniedom is my mint bore 41 Swiss, converted to CF that uses modified 8 mm Lebel cases (I thirst for that rifle) and easily exceeds the ballistics of an 8" 44 Magnum revolver. Shoot 5 300 gr cast ones in 2" @ 100 and if I draw, will go speed goat hunting this fall. (2-7 Burris IER on a 9422 Weaver base, perfect fit, JB welded on barrel.)

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To ask the author of the article that started this thread; John, did you screw that .250-3000 barrel on the Axis yet? And, since you have to take it i=out of the stock anyway, how about a wood handle for it?
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Two answers:

1) No, I haven't had a chance to put the .250 barrel on yet.

2) Yes, I've been thinking about a Boyds stock.


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Among the Winchester rifles that I traded to the late Bearrr264 about 15 years ago were a minty Winchester 54 in 30-30 and another that had been converted from 30-30 to 30-40 Krag. The Win 54 in 30-40 Krag had belonged to well known Arlington, VT, 'smith Wilbur Hauck.

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Nice, JB. Let us know how it comes out.



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Originally Posted by 7x64FN
We'll have to agree to disagree. Most under 40s don't even know what a 222, 250-3000, 300 Savage, 7x57, 8x57, 9.3x62 etc. are. and complete entry level rifles in those cartridges would never make it. (Ask Savage about their 7x64 "Euro" model)

I think we can all agree, if we were limited, as in Europe, to so many rifles, we could all survive with a 22RF, a 223, a 30-06 and a 375 H&H. Ammo everywhere and a plethora of used and new rifles. Add a 12 bore pump and you're ready to do the world.

Rifle loonies are not the percentage of shooters they were back in the Scheutzen days and never will be. If you want to mess around like I do, you can buy a Savage/Marlin/Ruger switch barrel bolt gun and go over to the dark side as deep as your pockets allow.

I know ! "The Beast" started life as a right bolt left port Savage 6.5/284.
Given to the tender mercies of Scott Null up in Driggs ID, it's now a 338 RUM, 3 groove 36" nitrided barrel and a scope/mounts that cost 250% of the rifle's cost.
It's a 3000 fps 300 gr Berger VLD rifle that will shoot 1/2 MOA as far as I can see.
Yes, you cannot unload a loaded round w/o removing the bolt ...... never have. Empties clear fine. With the sled about 50 pounds and a joy to shoot off a high bar stool. The barrel will never wear out, but if I ever got bored I could send it back to Scott, drop another $600 for a new bbl and bolt head and have anything from a 17 Hornet to a 460 Weatherby. A'int progress wonderful ?

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At the other end of rifle looniedom is my mint bore 41 Swiss, converted to CF that uses modified 8 mm Lebel cases (I thirst for that rifle) and easily exceeds the ballistics of an 8" 44 Magnum revolver. Shoot 5 300 gr cast ones in 2" @ 100 and if I draw, will go speed goat hunting this fall. (2-7 Burris IER on a 9422 Weaver base, perfect fit, JB welded on barrel.)

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It's funny how some of the old cartridges just grab your attention, even if in a practical sense they don't offer you anything you couldn't do as well or better with a commonly available round.

For instance, I can't think of any practical use I'd have for a
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28-30 Stevens, but a Schuetzen rifle so chambered is high on my list of absolutely cool rifles to have.

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Include me in the group which thinks .30, .32, or .35 Remington bolt rifles would be a neat thing. Ditto the .30/30 model 54.

While I can't claim to represent the average, 'normal' rifle shooter, chamberings do increase or decrease a rifle's appeal to me. I've never felt any need for a .30/06 Remington 760, but a .35 Remington 760 seems like a really neat idea. Similarly, Ruger No. 1s chambered for rimless cartridges just seem 'off' to me, somehow, while .30-40, .303, and 45-70 No. 1s seem a lot more appealing. I've always thought a .348 No. 1 would be a natural.

I don't claim that any of this is in any way rational, though.

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Originally Posted by elkhunternm
Originally Posted by 7x64FN
We'll have to agree to disagree. Most under 40s don't even know what a 222, 250-3000, 300 Savage, 7x57, 8x57, 9.3x62 etc. are. and complete entry level rifles in those cartridges would never make it. (Ask Savage about their 7x64 "Euro" model)

I think we can all agree, if we were limited, as in Europe, to so many rifles, we could all survive with a 22RF, a 223, a 30-06 and a 375 H&H. Ammo everywhere and a plethora of used and new rifles. Add a 12 bore pump and you're ready to do the world.

Rifle loonies are not the percentage of shooters they were back in the Scheutzen days and never will be. If you want to mess around like I do, you can buy a Savage/Marlin/Ruger switch barrel bolt gun and go over to the dark side as deep as your pockets allow.

I know ! "The Beast" started life as a right bolt left port Savage 6.5/284.
Given to the tender mercies of Scott Null up in Driggs ID, it's now a 338 RUM, 3 groove 36" nitrided barrel and a scope/mounts that cost 250% of the rifle's cost.
It's a 3000 fps 300 gr Berger VLD rifle that will shoot 1/2 MOA as far as I can see.
Yes, you cannot unload a loaded round w/o removing the bolt ...... never have. Empties clear fine. With the sled about 50 pounds and a joy to shoot off a high bar stool. The barrel will never wear out, but if I ever got bored I could send it back to Scott, drop another $600 for a new bbl and bolt head and have anything from a 17 Hornet to a 460 Weatherby. A'int progress wonderful ?

[Linked Image]

At the other end of rifle looniedom is my mint bore 41 Swiss, converted to CF that uses modified 8 mm Lebel cases (I thirst for that rifle) and easily exceeds the ballistics of an 8" 44 Magnum revolver. Shoot 5 300 gr cast ones in 2" @ 100 and if I draw, will go speed goat hunting this fall. (2-7 Burris IER on a 9422 Weaver base, perfect fit, JB welded on barrel.)

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You get your PM from him yet?

Like always, I deleted mine without reading it.

He is so distinctive and predictable...



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Originally Posted by 458 Lott
It's funny how some of the old cartridges just grab your attention, even if in a practical sense they don't offer you anything you couldn't do as well or better with a commonly available round.

For instance, I can't think of any practical use I'd have for a
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28-30 Stevens, but a Schuetzen rifle so chambered is high on my list of absolutely cool rifles to have.


You might want to talk to Tom Rowe (prolific author and expert on single shots), he could probably hook you up as the market is currently quite a bit depressed.

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Good article! Now if we could get a fine English double in 256 Win Mag or a ____ .


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