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Alright.... I am in the market for a new little rimfire rifle. I currently have a good ol' trusty 10/22 but toying the idea of buying a new rifle. Having a little baby girl requires a new rifle right? I thought so at least. For all you that are sharper than me, what are the pro's and cons' and which would you choose and why.
Thanks, I am torn.... I go back and forth.
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a new little hottie, deserves the newest little hottie......
17wsm in the ruger. forget the bmag. she's better, and deserves better, than that.
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Have they officially introduced it yet???
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My favorite of the three: 22WMR The 22WMR is the 458Lott of the current rimfire world... heavier 40-50gr bullet = better penetration for the larger (dangerous) micro-game downrange, but can be found with 30gr bullets that fragment like crazy. Use enough gun, 'cause those Marmots charge unprovoked. That said... I really don't think you can make a bad choice if your just looking for an excuse to purchase a new rifle. Just know the limitations of each... 22WMR Pros: Bucks wind a little better, holds together a little better at impact and retains better penetration abilities on larger varmints. Long term popularity with consumers. Normal brushes/cleaning rods can be used. 22WMR Cons: Higher trajectory arch, Ammo availability. 17HMR Pros: Flat trajectory and explosive on small game. Ammo might be easier to find. Popular with consumers. Can use a piece of dental floss with a knot to clean the bore if you lose your bore-snake.  17HMR Cons: Wind, Shallow wounds on larger varmints. Current ammo availability is on par with the 22WMR. Dental floss boresnakes blow away easy in the wind. 17WSM Pros: Flatter trajectory, extra explosive (in theory) and may be available with a broader bullet weight range. 17WSM Cons: Just introduced, unpredictable life expectency/popularity/availability. Congrat's on the new little girl!!!
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I have a Remington 597 in 22 Magnum that is my favorite called 'cat rifle. I have shot a few urban whitetails with the 22 Magnum and would feel comfortable doing so again if the range was short and the bullets had the proper construction.
That said, I think that it is easier to find an accurate OOTB 17HMR rifle than almost any other rifle/cartridge. The first 17HMR that I bought was a Savage 93R17BVSS that has never shot worse than MOA if the wind wasn't blowing and there was a competent guy behind the trigger.
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My favorite of the three: 22WMR The 22WMR is the 458Lott of the current rimfire world... heavier 40-50gr bullet = better penetration for the larger (dangerous) micro-game downrange, but can be found with 30gr bullets that fragment like crazy. Use enough gun, 'cause those Marmots charge unprovoked. That said... I really don't think you can make a bad choice if your just looking for an excuse to purchase a new rifle. Just know the limitations of each... 22WMR Pros: Bucks wind a little better, holds together a little better at impact and retains better penetration abilities on larger varmints. Long term popularity with consumers. Normal brushes/cleaning rods can be used. 22WMR Cons: Higher trajectory arch, Ammo availability. 17HMR Pros: Flat trajectory and explosive on small game. Ammo might be easier to find. Popular with consumers. Can use a piece of dental floss with a knot to clean the bore if you lose your bore-snake. 17HMR Cons: Wind, Shallow wounds on larger varmints. Current ammo availability is on par with the 22WMR. Dental floss boresnakes blow away easy in the wind. 17WSM Pros: Flatter trajectory, extra explosive (in theory) and may be available with a broader bullet weight range. 17WSM Cons: Just introduced, unpredictable life expectency/popularity/availability. Congrat's on the new little girl!!! I am with Stump Buster here. I toyed with the 17HMR a couple of times, but for me it came down to more "THUMP" and better wound channels on all game with a 22WMR. At the time I made my choice, 22WMR ammo was readily available, and just about everywhere. It is a little harder to fond now than 17HMR for some reason, but rimfire ammo availability is making a big comeback and I still love my 22WMR. If I need to shoot at something that is too far away for a reliable, deadly hit with a 22WMR, I reach for one of my centerfire varmint rifles. To me, rimfires are for fun shooting at 75 yards and less. Yeah, I hit a ground squirrel at 200 lazered yards with the 17 Hummer when it first came out, and hits out there are not all that hard with it, but the kill was not quick and for that range I MUCH prefer my 222 or 223.
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Youngster,
Don't pass up a chance to rationalize a whole new facet in the world of shooting, kids and education.
.22 Hornet/.218 Bee/Reload 'til your arms are sore.
If you want to pay for it over time, get the stuff needed for casting bullets. You can hand load cast bullets in either cartridge, exceed the velocity performance parameters of the rimfires in both directions if so inclined. Versatile, economical and....fun.
Just to give an example or three:
-Let's say you buy a Ruger 77/22H and put a scope on top.
-buy the brass or factory ammo
-buy the press/dies and accoutrements
-45 grain cast bullet-lead $1/# = 155 bullets (6/10ths cent per)
-pound of powder @ $30/# = about 1400 reloads with velocity in the 2000 fps range, adjust as necessary. That's 2.14 cents/pop
-primers run .03-.04 each these days.
-gas checks are a couple cents or less/unit, but they are not needed with milder loads, that meaning ballpark 2,000 fps or less.
-loaded ammo @ roughly 6-7 cents/round.
If you can beat that price as compared to any quality rimfire
ammo and most bulk junk ammo ignore everything above.
I am..........disturbed.
Concerning the difference between man and the jackass: some observers hold that there isn't any. But this wrongs the jackass. -Twain
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My favorite of the three: 22WMR The 22WMR is the 458Lott of the current rimfire world... heavier 40-50gr bullet = better penetration for the larger (dangerous) micro-game downrange, but can be found with 30gr bullets that fragment like crazy. Use enough gun, 'cause those Marmots charge unprovoked. That said... I really don't think you can make a bad choice if your just looking for an excuse to purchase a new rifle. Just know the limitations of each... 22WMR Pros: Bucks wind a little better, holds together a little better at impact and retains better penetration abilities on larger varmints. Long term popularity with consumers. Normal brushes/cleaning rods can be used. 22WMR Cons: Higher trajectory arch, Ammo availability. 17HMR Pros: Flat trajectory and explosive on small game. Ammo might be easier to find. Popular with consumers. Can use a piece of dental floss with a knot to clean the bore if you lose your bore-snake. 17HMR Cons: Wind, Shallow wounds on larger varmints. Current ammo availability is on par with the 22WMR. Dental floss boresnakes blow away easy in the wind. 17WSM Pros: Flatter trajectory, extra explosive (in theory) and may be available with a broader bullet weight range. 17WSM Cons: Just introduced, unpredictable life expectency/popularity/availability. Congrat's on the new little girl!!! Thanks for the very helpful info. I think I will go with the gold standard then and grab a .22 WMR, seems like the best/safest bet at this point.
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If you think the 22 mag bucks wind better than the HMR, you obviously have never used both. The 17 drifts significantly less.
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If you think the 22 mag bucks wind better than the HMR, you obviously have never used both. The 17 drifts significantly less. this is truth ...
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I am a bigger 5mm Rem fan, but thats me.
For the OP's question, I'd look to pre0order the new Ruger in 17 WSM. It looks to be sutiably built. The BMag has nothing I like about other than the chambering.
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I am a bigger 5mm Rem fan, but thats me.
For the OP's question, I'd look to pre0order the new Ruger in 17 WSM. It looks to be sutiably built. The BMag has nothing I like about other than the chambering. Has Ruger decided to go much beyond the Hawkeye prototype they built for Shot? There isn't anything about the WSM last I checked. gjh
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I am a bigger 5mm Rem fan, but thats me.
For the OP's question, I'd look to pre0order the new Ruger in 17 WSM. It looks to be sutiably built. The BMag has nothing I like about other than the chambering. Has Ruger decided to go much beyond the Hawkeye prototype they built for Shot? There isn't anything about the WSM last I checked. gjh Not that I have seen. But I'd still rather not settle on a BMag...I can wait...
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Rick, expand... I hate the wind, so like things that can buck the wind better... 
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http://varmintal.com/17hmr.htm#TrajectoryStudy the chart closely, and you'll eschew the WMR. Have fun with the new HMR d:^) .
You can roll a turd in peanuts, dip it in chocolate, and it still ain't no damn Baby Ruth.
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Youngster,
Don't pass up a chance to rationalize a whole new facet in the world of shooting, kids and education.
.22 Hornet/.218 Bee/Reload 'til your arms are sore.
If you want to pay for it over time, get the stuff needed for casting bullets. You can hand load cast bullets in either cartridge, exceed the velocity performance parameters of the rimfires in both directions if so inclined. Versatile, economical and....fun.
Just to give an example or three:
-Let's say you buy a Ruger 77/22H and put a scope on top.
-buy the brass or factory ammo
-buy the press/dies and accoutrements
-45 grain cast bullet-lead $1/# = 155 bullets (6/10ths cent per)
-pound of powder @ $30/# = about 1400 reloads with velocity in the 2000 fps range, adjust as necessary. That's 2.14 cents/pop
-primers run .03-.04 each these days.
-gas checks are a couple cents or less/unit, but they are not needed with milder loads, that meaning ballpark 2,000 fps or less.
-loaded ammo @ roughly 6-7 cents/round.
If you can beat that price as compared to any quality rimfire
ammo and most bulk junk ammo ignore everything above. +1 on this. The little girl needs to learn how to roll her own anyway in the future. You will have more fun to Boot!
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Make that +2. Brass is problematic right now though.
If not a reloader or just wants to shoot, the .17 HMR is widely regarded at the most accurate, just not the killer of larger stuff like the WMR. Too powerful for edible small game as well, but the ultimate plinker, I think.
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I'm in total agreement about the 17HMR being very accurate. Everyone I've ever owned was anyway. I've got a 77/17 that's scary accurate.
As far as the 22 Hornet goes. That's one I've always wanted and took care that a few weeks ago. I found a nice little BRNO ZKW 465. I can't wait to get out and give it a run. I was in the FT Worth, TX Cabelas last week and they had Hornady and Prvi on the shelves. Aim Surplus gets a new shipment of Prvi in about once a month and they charge $21 for a box of of 50. It doesn't last long.
I don't know anything about the .17 WSM and have had really bad luck finding an accurate .22WMR but that could just be me.
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I'm a .17 HMR fan. I resisted for 2 years, then buckled. Not long afterwards we had a component shortage. We had a 2 box limit on HMR so I'd stop by the store each night on the way home from work and get 2 boxes. By Saturday, while everyone else was whining about the .223 and .22-250 they couldn't feed, I was out slaying rodents. For sheer numbers I had the best varminting year of my life probably because there was no "competition."
That said, I think there is plenty of room for both a .17 HMR and a .22 magnum in the rack. There are very worthy things that the heavier bullet of the .22 mag does do better. I would not want to be without both.
Whether the .17 WSM has a niche in my world will depend on the ammo cost. The extra "poop" may not be worth the cost, it may be that when it's time to spend that much I'll just drag out my .204.
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Ya, I am leaning towards a .17HMR now actually. I have yet to hear anything negative really about it. I have been holding off like you Tom, but... time to give in and bite the bullet. I am trying to decide now between the browning T-bolt, CZ 452, and the Savage 93/17 number number number...
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