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So because Obama lied before, you refuse to even look into this issue. Before? When did he stop? Good point, he never stops lying. He doesn't. Tell me this, then, what could soro's motivations possibly be to shell out 190 million to get this done? Is he concerned about anti-trust? Is this the first thing he's spent that kind of money on without nefarious intent, primarily to limit freedom and usher in more socialism?
We may know the time Ben Carson lied, but does anyone know the time Hillary Clinton told the truth?
Immersing oneself in progressive lieberalism is no different than bathing in the sewage of Hell.
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Hey I just saw where the ACLU is for Net Neutrality.
So it's gotta be good for me. Right? Just more evidence you just can't be bothered with thinking for yourself. You just see who's talking about it, and that makes up your mind. That's a sad state of affairs. I'll bet you wonder why America's so f-d up.
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I don't have the patience to read the whole thread but isn't it largely private investment that build the internet? The ISPs have spent huge amounts of money running cable, fiber optics, putting in switching centers, etc. If you don't like their terms, offer a competing service. I can accept the government having some say over the airwaves since there is limited bandwith and I can buy that it belongs to public, but a piece of cable that Comcast ran from their switching center to my house on their own dime? I don't get it. And they did this using public ROW and (forced) easements on private property. Guess there should be no restrictions on that, eh?
Lunatic fringe....we all know you're out there.
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no surprise that lefties love 'net neutrality'.
As complicated at the issue is, ALL you need to know about it, in order to make an informed decision as to it's advisability, is who is for it, and who is against it. With Kevin and obama on the same page, you KNOW that this is bad ju ju.
Sam......
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What does it matter? No new law was passed? It's the same DAMNED thing with the ATF and ammo Kevin!Yet you have a problem with that, and not this! Why do you think it's the same thing. The ONLY thing that the two issues have in common is regulation. And you could only make such a statement if you're just hard headed and think all regulation, no matter what it's for is bad. If you feel that way, why don't you live in Somalia? Those two are COMPLETELY different issues. One is very bad for freedom, and one is seeking to preserve freedom. The ammo ban is bad, nothing but bad and it's complete BS. The net thing is trying to preserve freedom of speech, and keep an open market free and open. What you don't realize is that the internet was quickly becoming an un-free market, and freedom of speech was next. I'm not trying to be rude, but when you make such a statement you clearly, fundamentally don't understand what was at stake. ends justify means is your answer in essentia. Dangerous stance to take the next time war, Christianity, or anything else comes up. But hey, every situation is different, and there is no way this FCC net neutrality business won't ultimately go against us. Rock on.... Live the dream. I'll be over here, not understanding....
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Hey I just saw where the ACLU is for Net Neutrality.
So it's gotta be good for me. Right? Just more evidence you just can't be bothered with thinking for yourself. You just see who's talking about it, and that makes up your mind. That's a sad state of affairs. I'll bet you wonder why America's so f-d up. No my man - I just know who the enemy is. The concept of critical thinking is not lost on me.
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He doesn't.
Tell me this, then, what could soro's motivations possibly be to shell out 190 million to get this done? Is he concerned about anti-trust? Is this the first thing he's spent that kind of money on without nefarious intent, primarily to limit freedom and usher in more socialism? I have no idea what Soros is up to. And he's probably up to no good. But here's the thing, I'm not going to screw free speech and capitalism over the internet on the off chance that Soros might be up to no good. Again, no new law has been passed. So no one got any special considerations, no pork, no special deals. Maybe Soros has stock in Netflix, or some other company that was being screwed by the ISP's. I really don't know. All I do know is when I OBJECTIVELY look at the issue, net neutrality is the right thing to do. Do I like that Soros and Obama were all for it, no I don't. But that doesn't change the fact that it's the right thing to do. It's best for capitalism and it's best for free speech.
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And I don't have a problem with that. I'm just saying that there is regulation and you like the regulation that is in place (as do I). Not all regulation is bad - as has been intimated by you and others. What I am saying and have said repeatedly, is that government regulation has often been demonstrated as bad, and when zero and soros are involved nothing good can come of it. At least not for freedom loving people. The internet is the one of the last bastions of freedom in the world. Other countries control and limit that freedom because they hate it, but in America, at least until now, freedom on the internet still exists. To let soros and the traitor in the whitehouse have any influence at all in how the internet will work, is a day American's will regret forever.
We may know the time Ben Carson lied, but does anyone know the time Hillary Clinton told the truth?
Immersing oneself in progressive lieberalism is no different than bathing in the sewage of Hell.
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There is no new law, just application of an existing law. That does not include ANY new taxes.
That's not to say that congress won't try to do it in the future. The freaking democrats have been pissed off about not getting their taxes from the internet for 20 years, and they're not about to let that one die.
And now they can & will tax it & control it at will, simply by doing what they do.......... Take a look at your phone bill & see how much tax you pay as a ratio of the cost for the actual service.......it's completely disgusting. And the govt control brings absolutely NOTHING, NOTHING to the value of the service. MM
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no surprise that lefties love 'net neutrality'.
As complicated at the issue is, ALL you need to know about it, in order to make an informed decision as to it's advisability, is who is for it, and who is against it. With Kevin and obama on the same page, you KNOW that this is bad ju ju. You know Sam, I never took you for the kind of guy who would abdicate his right to think for himself. I don't like Obama at all. I don't like Soros. I don't trust either one. But even a broken clock is right twice a day. And despite their supoort, I objectively looked at it and realized it's the right thing to do.
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I'm not going to screw free speech and capitalism over the internet on the off chance that Soros might be up to no good. There is no such thing as a 190 million off chance. The only interest zero and soros have in free speech and capitalism is the suppression and destruction of both. You cut off your nose to spite your face. There is nothing objective about that.
We may know the time Ben Carson lied, but does anyone know the time Hillary Clinton told the truth?
Immersing oneself in progressive lieberalism is no different than bathing in the sewage of Hell.
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Hmmm.... A Gibson thread.
Haven't read a word but lemme guess? Obama's balls are being licked, and we're all stupid?
Travis
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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And now they can & will tax it & control it at will, simply by doing what they do..........
Can you show me in the 1934 Communications act where they can tax it. Or is that just the rumor you hear? Take a look at your phone bill & see how much tax you pay as a ratio of the cost for the actual service.......it's completely disgusting. Do you really think you're not paying taxes on your internet content today? And the govt control brings absolutely NOTHING, NOTHING to the value of the service. So you'd just give the internet over to big ISP's who could then be given the ability to legally commit anti-trust, and arbitrarily decide who can have high speed and who couldn't. Or who couldn't be on the internet altogether? Because that's the alternative, that's the only alternative unless someone wants to talk about some other law. And it's not government control, it's just regulatory rules. Rules that say you can't degrade someone's bandwidth if they're a competitor. You can't block content because it's competition. It's now open to everyone on an even basis, just like radio and television.
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But even a broken clock is right twice a day.
Not when the hands are broke off
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I'm not going to screw free speech and capitalism over the internet on the off chance that Soros might be up to no good. There is no such thing as a 190 million off chance. The only interest zero and soros have in free speech and capitalism is the suppression and destruction of both. You cut off your nose to spite your face. There is nothing objective about that. Okay let's use YOUR analogy. Because Obama's for it, I'll give the internet over to ISP's and allow them to determine who gets good bandwidth and who doesn't, and allow them to decide what can and cannot be on the internet.
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I don't have the patience to read the whole thread but isn't it largely private investment that build the internet? The ISPs have spent huge amounts of money running cable, fiber optics, putting in switching centers, etc. If you don't like their terms, offer a competing service. I can accept the government having some say over the airwaves since there is limited bandwith and I can buy that it belongs to public, but a piece of cable that Comcast ran from their switching center to my house on their own dime? I don't get it. And they did this using public ROW and (forced) easements on private property. Guess there should be no restrictions on that, eh? There are already are restrictions in place.
“Life is life and fun is fun, but it's all so quiet when the goldfish die.”
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Due to net neutrality I am now monitoring you
you should have posted "even a stopped clock is right twice a day"
Carry on fellas
My dog is a member of the "Turd Like Clan"
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Well if you think regulation is such a good thing why are you on 24hr when you would be much happier on Graybeard outdoors what with all his great regulation you would fit right in.
Okay - I'll play your game... Tell me now that Rick has never stepped in to control the content on this site. Seldom, but, and wait for it........ HE OWNS IT! And I don't have a problem with that. I'm just saying that there is regulation and you like the regulation that is in place (as do I). Not all regulation is bad - as has been intimated by you and others. There already were laws and regulations in place.
“Life is life and fun is fun, but it's all so quiet when the goldfish die.”
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Hmmm.... A Gibson thread.
Haven't read a word but lemme guess? Obama's balls are being licked, and we're all stupid?
Travis He's drowning in a pool of koolaid.
“Life is life and fun is fun, but it's all so quiet when the goldfish die.”
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