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I am looking for a noise-reducing compensator for an AR. I would also like to use it on a 22LR if possible.

Which one is the best?

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Lavang works well, blast out front

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I hear the 'flash can' design ones are pretty nice. Getting it to a 22lr level is not going to happen with out a suppressor, IMO.

http://www.kakindustry.com/kak-industry-flash-can

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Anything that is "noise reducing" is a suppressor. What are you looking for?


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Here's a video with a blast shield (similar to the Noveske pig and KAK device) and a decibel meter. The decibel testing starts around 4:30.

They obviously push the concussion forward rather than to the side, but to say that they are quieter is very misleading. The Griffin blast shield reduced the noise at the muzzle from 170ish to 166ish decibels.

For reference, a whisper and rustling leaves are rated at 20 decibels. So the blast shields reduce the decibels by 1/4 of the sound of rustling leaves.
https://www.chem.purdue.edu/chemsafety/Training/PPETrain/dblevels.htm



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Surefire, Thunderbeast, and SilencerCo make the best ones. They are kinda expensive though and take a few months to come in. wink


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Each db of reduction cuts the sound in half, so it is actually a large reduction. I am considering one of these:

http://www.kineti-tech.com/kineti-t...with-13-16-x-16-threaded-sleeve-2-piece/

Has anyone used one?


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165 decibels is enough to rupture your eardrums. So yes, if the sound is "reduced" to a level that will cause serious damage to your ears / hearing, the "reduction" is a marketing gimmick.


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Originally Posted by jimone
Each db of reduction cuts the sound in half, so it is actually a large reduction. I am considering one of these:

http://www.kineti-tech.com/kineti-t...with-13-16-x-16-threaded-sleeve-2-piece/

Has anyone used one?


If you use one let us know how it goes.


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I am just trying to reduce noise to where muffs or plugs alone will work, instead of both that are needed now with 16" mid length A2 flash hider. My 22" AR is much better, but heavy to lug into coyote blind.


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Its a gimmick alright, but in reality, if you feel the need for a compensator, why not look for the quietest. But ONLY if it doesn't reduce the compensation... after all if you feel the need, you are competing against a clock or shooting moving yotes etc... at that point the recoil reduction is more important than any sound level. IMHO


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Originally Posted by Bluedreaux
Here's a video with a blast shield (similar to the Noveske pig and KAK device) and a decibel meter. The decibel testing starts around 4:30.

They obviously push the concussion forward rather than to the side, but to say that they are quieter is very misleading. The Griffin blast shield reduced the noise at the muzzle from 170ish to 166ish decibels.

For reference, a whisper and rustling leaves are rated at 20 decibels. So the blast shields reduce the decibels by 1/4 of the sound of rustling leaves.
https://www.chem.purdue.edu/chemsafety/Training/PPETrain/dblevels.htm



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I don't think you understand how the decibel scale works.

The decibel scale is logarithmic, not linear.

On the decibel scale, a change from 10 to 20, is a change in power from 10 to 100. Where a change from 90 to 100 is a change from a million to 10 million. Your example of the rustling leaves is a misapplication of the scale.


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If you are trying to reduce the pain from shooting a 16" carbine with an A2 installed when hunting, the linear compensators do reduce some of the side blast and improve your comfort. Still loud as heck...


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After playing with a few geared to reduce noise this is my choice:
http://www.joeboboutfitters.com/Kaw...Comp_1_2x28_Blac_p/kvp-linear223-blk.htm



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I'll take yalls word for it that I misunderstand decibel algorithms or whatever.

But that doesn't change the fact that 166 decibels will injure you and isn't "quiet" by any standard.


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Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
...The decibel scale is logarithmic, not linear.

On the decibel scale, a change from 10 to 20, is a change in power from 10 to 100. Where a change from 90 to 100 is a change from a million to 10 million. Your example of the rustling leaves is a misapplication of the scale.


AMEN! Also, audio engineers will give their specs in one of two scales, dBa or dBm. Which one makes a big difference. Of course, marketing guys take whichever looks best to them, number-wise, and push that. May or may not be accurate but, hey, it sells!

I don't care who you are, 166dB is LOUD and injurious!

Even Chuck Norris doesn't snore at that level! laugh

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Originally Posted by jimone
I am just trying to reduce noise to where muffs or plugs alone will work, instead of both that are needed now with 16" mid length A2 flash hider. My 22" AR is much better, but heavy to lug into coyote blind.


What muffs are you using? I use these alone with braked guns all the time without issue.
http://www.pksafety.com/lel3ea.html?gclid=CPfWuNqEq8QCFYI9aQodJrEAlg


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Interesting RE hearing loss, we never shot without custom plugs and generally muffs over that.

About the only shooting i've ever done was dove/duck that did not get protected( and should have).

Lets just say at 50 now I'm already having trouble hearing.

Protect what you got.

166 is still loud.


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I use:

http://www.amazon.com/Surefire-EP5-...?ie=UTF8&refRID=1YH73YCSZTYMKQNCZRFF

with David Clark muffs with gel seals or Peltor Bullseye Shotgunner muffs that are low profile. The muffs bother me more due to interfering with the stock and getting pushed askew.

My ears ring when I'm dehydrated at all from power tools and aircraft engines as well as gunfire.


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The custom molded plugs are easy to get in the ears, twist em in, and have done most of our work over the years when low profile muffs interfere with stocks....


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