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Having been shot, I really don't know how to explain it to you guys, I don't believe a crook [non-narcotic] knowing he's doing BAD will be as hard to stop as a man running in with GOOD on his mind and in his heart.

I can tell you, I didn't feel it, I was deaf, my tongue numb and tingling and teeth clenched so hard they shoulda been crushed to powder, and everything in this world 'except' the dude I was going after was a blur, kinda like he was in a ghost ring sight or something.

I have been shot as well and it was simply numb, until the next day.

Yes, numb, then cold, then hurts like hell.

I've been shot "at".

Guess my bad guys didn't have good shootin skills.

I would think being shot AT would be the luckiest day of a mans life, albeit, still sucks.

didn't do much for my shorts...

May have added a bit of color?

Really? Really? They're trading rounds with the murderer, and granted, they were just trying to keep his head down to try and keep him from shooting at them as they did the right thing...they sought cover. But I doubt either one of them would have shed a tear if the murderer was killed by their suppressive fire. What are your requirements for a violent interaction between the LEOs and a bad guy, both sides using deadly force, to be classified by your aloof definition as a "fight"??

i was shot at as well. still cant find my shorts, they were puckered in pretty deep

Good grief MD...Where did I say that they weren't "fighting"?

I said that they weren't "fighting their way back to a rifle (shotgun). That's the whole context of this part of the discussion....Fighting your way back to a rifle to use it. And those guys didn't. They fought their way back to a point of cover and pointed shotguns at the house, just like they could have pointed their pistols at the house.



The whole notion of the conversation is that I'm going to shoot my way to my car, get a rifle, and then re-engage the bad guy. And from your account they didn't do that.
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Nobody's knocking what they did. But what they did isn't what we're talking about.

I have a feeling that anytime I offer an opinion on something you'll be there to engage me in a spirited debate.

I appreciate their efforts in every aspect but moving back to the car as an option to get a long gun did not seem to be part of the direct plan, just a result of positioning.

In the fight I referenced earlier the initial officer was pissed he did not get his AR out but it was in the trunk (old car with no rifle rack). He was quite candid to admit he always thought there would be time to get it out of there but once the bullets started flying there was no time. He shot from behind the drivers side door and even the racked shotgun seemed a million miles away.

I said it before but there is a huge difference between a proactive response and deciding to bring a long gun vs reacting in a dynamic, changing environment when you are playing freeze tag with live rounds.

Even the USSC has recognized that deadly force encounters are very fluid, ever-changing situations; and the changes are not predictable. You have to be able to adapt, change your solution to the very present danger, and hope that you made the right decision(s) and come out of the encounter alive. That's what the two officers did. Their first plan was to try to get to the downed Constable. Unfortunately, he died very quickly where he was standing by the front door. The officers didn't see the bad guy, so they decided to try and get to the Constable and pull him out of harm's way (they didn't know he was already dead). When they started taking rifle fire they had to adapt to the new variable (taking fire) and correctly decided to retreat to their patrol cars, transition to shotguns and take a defensive position behind cover (their patrol car engine block and front wheel). So, in a way I agree with you, but as the dynamics changed they adapted their plan to counter the new variable (rifle fire).

Another "notion" that I mentioned: handguns are for deadly force encounters that you don't see coming. If you know a fire fight is imminent, and you have the time, grab the AR-15 A4 and meet your opponent with overwhelming force.

Excellent point.

In a NON-LEO context, handguns are for daily CCW and for immediate access in the home. If you KNOW someone is breaking in and you have time to access a long gun, it makes sense. However, the handgun is supposed to be "handy".

Rule 1, right?

At the same time we are told to keep guns unloaded and locked up.

Who is telling you that crap?

He lives in Minnesota so I would assume everybody he meets.




Travis

Not only unloaded but with the ammo separate...

Those who espouse that can go pound sand. I have every gun lock my guns have come with, in their original, unopened packages.

Absolutely. Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get me. I keep a couple (maybe more) of handguns hidden in strategic places in my home so that I'm not ever very far from a handgun no matter where I am in my home. One stays in my truck console and I carry when I leave. I am of the opinion that our Nation is not very far from some serious civil unrest. My wife, who tends to dismiss the idea of large scale civil unrest as "chicken little-the sky is falling" hysteria, is now getting the same vibe and has even asked me to get her a Glock 17 to carry after she takes the CC course here.

So...in a long-winded answer...yes...rule #1. If you don't have a handgun handy, and TSHTF, Darwin finds and punishes those who left home without at least a handgun.