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Hawk,
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<br>I think I presumed earlier he had to be a Troll or a Socialist Liberal from the HCI/Sarah Brady/Feinstein/Schumer/Kennedy/Clinton tone of his arguements position.
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<br>Troll was meant from the internet perspectiive, not the fairy tale perspective. So, personally I didn't slam him.
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<br>Point of order - In Libel Law, the truth is an absolute defence

Yes, in defamation, truth is a complete defense, but what is a "troll in the internet sense?" Sounds to me like an insult.
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<br>By the way, Norm is anything but a liberal on guns. He just had a different view on how to prevent accidents, and I think he changed that view during our debate.

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<br> Sorry if I injected some confusion into the cyberswamp.With over 33 years experience as an Automotive Tech ,I had learned very early into it that when you hear any unusual noise you have to locate where it came from and if anything is flying in your direction almost instantly. Now, I'm working in a gun shop and always assume Murphy's Law is attached to any customer who walks in with a gun in his hand.
<br> My point is, that I believe that even if the average person has no experience in threat evaluation, basic instinct should make them look to the area from where the sound came. Any movement in that area should focus more attention on that area and that could lead to identification of the cause of the threat. To hide behind any available cover without knowledge of threat location seems to go against Mother Nature's basic sense of survival, but it could be that our "civilized society" has diminished that in many of us.
<br> All the more reason for those of us that do own firearms to make sure that we can keep them. It's up to us to defend and protect ourselves against the "snipers" and the like in our lives and communities.

As I understant the term Troll in an internet sence, one who's Spamming.
<br>You've never heard the word troll used at a web site?
<br>You've never seen phrases like "don't feed the trolls" used at web pages, particularly BBS's ?

Glockblaster, when a rifle is fired at a great distance, the bullet reaches the target area before the report of the rifle shot. If you are in the target area, your experience is going to be that you hear nothing, but see blood and body parts splatter from a human being standing near to you, and the victim falling to the ground. Only after that will you hear a report (you may not even notice it if you are responding to the blood and guts flying through the air). How long after that the report comes depends on how far away the shooter was. Only now that you are alerted to the danger will you be in any sense ready to evaluate the origin point of the report, but too late. He doesn't give you another chance because he's done for the day. This is why I say that this sniper knows his craft very well, and is highly disciplined in what he does. He is apparently not just some nut with a death wish. Evil, yes. A monster, yes. Needs killing, yes, but he's someone who knows his craft well, and will be damned hard to neutralize.

Norm invited me to join this site and even computer coached me on how to get here because he felt my knowledge of and passion for firearms would be a valuable addition to the site. I did not appreciate the inferrence of "troll or closet liberal" directed at him or the "maybe the sniper is just a guy that keeps dropping his non-droppable gun" thing. Did Norm and I intrude on a Net Clique that insults newbies until they leave? Correct me if I'm wrong.
<br> My apparent off-track tangent of thought in a previous post was merely an extrapolation of parameters on both the dropped gun discharge (which started this whole thread) and the sniper terrorizing a socialist stronghold. Neither will be corrected by legislation forced additional safety requirements or registration/confiscation trickery. Both will be exploited by the socialist controlled media as justification to eliminate our RKBA. Just because Slick Willy is no longer ruining perfectly good cigars in the W.H. and directing that the "gun culture" in America must be eliminated so that we can join the ranks of socialist "states" in the New World Order does not alter our potential to lose what rights we have left, except to make it worse.

Glockblaster, I'm with you on that 100%.
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<br>P.S. sorry I keep getting your name wrong. It really is an accident every time.

Glockblaster:
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<br>Both you and Norm are very valuable additions to this website. I've told Norm so privately, and want to say that publicly here as well.
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<br>For the record, 1] on an internet BB, "troll" is an insult; 2] private messages are just that, and should be respected; 3] there are no cliques here that would preclude the intelligent, respectful exchange of opposing viewpoints.
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<br>As a reminder, the first rule of engagement around here is: No personal attacks. Said another way, I won't be losing any more "Norms" around here.
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<br>I hope that's 'nuff said.
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<br>Rick

glockblaster, I consider you and Deputy_Norm real assets to this board, please take with a grain of salt any infighting. It is mostly harmless and sometimes gets out of hand but this is probably the best board for shooters and hunters on the net.
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<br>Different perspectives are what makes the world go around and this board interesting. I don't always agree with everybody either, all I ask is keep it civil and agree to disagree if you must, don't let your feelings get hurt over words on a CRT.
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<br>I have exchanged a couple PM with norm, I respect his opinions whether we agree or not and appreciate his service to his community as well as his concern for gun rights in general. He is one of the good guys.

Norm, I was gonna PM ya but you shut it off. So here it is, if you wanna leave this is a free country. I think it is a mistake, this is a very good board and you are a real asset here, we need varing opinions and approaches the keep it real. 'Sides , you got your blade forum dint ya? Give it a chance and any that want to be azzholes, well let em, just scroll on by and enjoy the talk with the rest of us. Hell, I don't agree with everybody and have been known to really pop off a time or two, the dust settles and things are OK again.
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<br>Please note, I don't do the please don't leave thing, this is a first for me!

Rick, well put. We all have our tiff's now and then, I know I been known to light into somebody a time or two myself. All we gotta do is keep it on an intelligent level and not an emotional one and were OK. I know it gets emotional time to time, but mostly stay's civil anyway.
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<br>I hope Norm sticks around, he is a good guy and is entitled to his thought's as are the rest of us. Name calling is just school yard S H I T! and most of us are aware of it.
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<br>'Nuff from my corner, sorry for the rant. I just hate to lose good members to TRASH POSTING.

Thanks for the pat on the back, guys! It's always good to feel appreciated and I'll face to face with Norm about getting back onto his dry spot in the Cyberswamp but it's the horse to water thing, you know.
<br> I have always felt a major feeling of obligation to pass along my knowledge and experience to any who want and/or need it, which is why I became an NRA Rifle and Pistol Instructor . Indiana DNR promoted me to county co-ordinator and main firearms instructor for the DNR Hunter Education Program, for which I and three of my instructors donate freely our time,talent and knowledge for kids and adulta alike. My last DNR Hunter Education course was two weeks ago and we certified 42 people.
<br> I constantly almost harass nearly every gun owner I come into contact with to make the effort to vote and vote for only those who support our gun rights since a vote for those who don't is a vote for a traitor to even their Oath of Office. Technically, most Democratic( Socialist) Party members are already guilty of that!
<br> We must all do more to safeguard what few freedoms were not obliterated or infringed upon by eight years of criminal activity by the Democratic(Socialist) Party in the White House. Agreed?

troll
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<br>1. v.,n. [From the Usenet group alt.folklore.urban] To utter a posting on Usenet designed to attract predictable responses or flames; or, the post itself. Derives from the phrase "trolling for newbies" which in turn comes from mainstream "trolling", a style of fishing in which one trails bait through a likely spot hoping for a bite. The well-constructed troll is a post that induces lots of newbies and flamers to make themselves look even more clueless than they already do, while subtly conveying to the more savvy and experienced that it is in fact a deliberate troll. If you don't fall for the joke, you get to be in on it. See also YHBT. 2. n. An individual who chronically trolls in sense 1; regularly posts specious arguments, flames or personal attacks to a newsgroup, discussion list, or in email for no other purpose than to annoy someone or disrupt a discussion. Trolls are recognizable by the fact that they have no real interest in learning about the topic at hand - they simply want to utter flame bait. Like the ugly creatures they are named after, they exhibit no redeeming characteristics, and as such, they are recognized as a lower form of life on the net, as in, "Oh, ignore him, he's just a troll." Compare kook. 3. n. [Berkeley] Computer lab monitor. A popular campus job for CS students. Duties include helping newbies and ensuring that lab policies are followed. Probably so-called because it involves lurking in dark cavelike corners.
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<br>Some people claim that the troll (sense 1) is properly a narrower category than flame bait, that a troll is categorized by containing some assertion that is wrong but not overtly controversial. See also Troll-O-Meter.
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<br>The use of `troll' in either sense is a live metaphor that readily produces elaborations and combining forms. For example, one not infrequently sees the warning "Do not feed the troll" as part of a followup to troll postings.
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<br>Rick,
<br>There's the definition from usenet.
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<br>1.) How is the term troll an insult, particularly in this context as I used it? I think I inquired 100% accurately to Norm, he posted on a Second Amendment board in support of further governmental restriction on a free Americans right.
<br>Would not that person be of the same mind as a socialist liberal or acting as a troll given the definition above?
<br>2.) I have a hard time "respecting" a threat, And I beleive any personal messages sent to me, "I'll" decide if "I" wish to keep them private. I was gracious enough to say "Norm dosen't wish to play anymore." I coulda copy and pasted exactly what he sent to me.
<br>3.) It would seem you may be supporting "cliques" by your responce to Glockblaster. Visavee, "you really are a Prick" apparently is not a personal attack? If stated by a "Norm" because you don't want to loose anymore of them?
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<br>If the boards here are going to be censored to the point that every time a poster looses a debate they complain to the moderator, what kind of place will this be?
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<br>This catty, immature, "run and tell mom" stuff is chickensh*t. If a discussion is moot, usually the posters respect a differance of mind, and agree to disagree. And move on to discuss another topic another day.
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<br>I hope thats the way these boards will stay.
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Ram, Why don't you stifle? The discussion is over and you are now, IMHO, "trolling" give it a rest. Sounds like you have an axe to grind, don't know why but we all have and are entitled to our opinions without calling names. I disagreed with Norm on the extra safety thing as well and we didn't get into a pissing contest, just voiced our opinions. If I don't change your mind it's no skin off my nose. You are entitled to yours as I am mine.
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<br>Maybe you should re-evaluate your signature line and apply it here:
<br>Lest not we forget, America is a Republic, NOT a democracy. Learn the difference, spread your knowledge, help end the lie. Fear a government that fears your guns.
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<br>The Republic part means your rights are inviolate till they violate mine and verse visa. The Democracy means majority RULE and you must comply even if you disagree. Am I right or wrong?

RAM, according to your definition, the word troll fits you a lot better than Norm. In fact, I don't see how it fits Norm at all.

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<br>I never planned to leave permanently. I am run down and going through a series of medical tests to see if the quacks can find out why.
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<br>The little hassle kind of pushed me over the edge. I needed a break.
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<br>Thanks for your kind comments.
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<br>Norm

As we used to say in the Nam, Aint no thing man! Ain't nothing!
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<br>BTW, been there done that with the Docs. Mine ended up with several Angioplasties and a Quad bypass. I sure hope your luck is better than mine was! Thats why I had to retire early, really sucks but life goes on. Take care.

Dang, Dennis I didn't want people to I am responsible for introducing you to the board.
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<br>And to you other guys I definitely didn't bring "another vote" to the board. Dennis and often don't agree on somethings.
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<br>Some days the only thing we agree on is that I'm a better shot than he is.
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<br>Norm

" Some days a better shot"? I hope you took a picture because I wasn't there at the time!
<br> With regards to the health problems you described earlier: shortness of breath and chest pains, but not the pump means one other possibility and my concern is that at your age, physical condition and being male , a late in life pregnancy could be VERY dangerous! Besides, how would you nurse the damn thing after you cranked it out? Can I sell tickets to watch ? How are you gonna explain that to Mrs. Norm?
<br> Didn't want the other guys to know you intro'd me to the site? Association with short people , especially over the net will not cause Vertical Impairment in others.
<br> On the "sniper"thing: a "witness" positively(?) identified the weapon as an AK74 and the socialist media crows that it fires the "powerful .223 round. The standard AK74 fires the 5.45 round, not the 5.56( the .223 won't work in it! The media also touts that the "witness" could not offer any info about the person they saw firing the rifle which is odd, because if the witness could discriminate between an AK47, an AK74, a Saiga 7.62, .308, .223, Romarm Sporter, Galil, etc., he was close enough to do a deodorant check. Kinda makes you wonder about the credibility of either the media, the witness, or all involved ,huh?
<br> Glad to have you back,Norm, even if we shoot on different days and you're pregnant. It's real hard for me to picture you growing boobs to feed Junior Norm, though.

Well at least Norm brought somebody with a wicked sense of humor! Don't start on the verticaly challenged thing though, I'll be kicking you in the kneecap! I have always been the shortest cop on the Department till they started hireing women, and even some of them are taller than me.