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Kephart was critical of open sights about 100 years ago.
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Kahuna is getting closer. 
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Even with age, you can use irons, you simply have to have the glasses corrected...
And most don't understand that with irons you can only focus on one focal plane at a time.
Hence the most important thing is front sight. It helps to have the target clear and the rear clear to, but its not needed.
I had to shoot without correction with pistols becasue my eye could and would focus on the target paper at 25 yards, and gave horrible groups, NEEDED the target to stay blurry.
When in doubt put a peep on the rear, and even an aperture in the front.
As to success... lets just say paper targets you get used to, but with game, I've shot stuff so far away that most would call you a liar, luckily my longest shot with irons on small deer was witnessed by at least 3 others in the truck at the time..
YOu have to have the desire though, especially with irons, to learn how to use them, whats important and how to trust the sights and your eyes. Your eyes are capable of MUCH more than most give them credit for.
And before someone claims I have good vision, I had to have correction in my teens, and its never gotten better, only worse, and I didn't start shooting a LOT of irons until I was in my 30s, and carried on until appx 42 with irons in competition.
Having shot same with folks in their 70s plus, its still possible even as eyes age. That's all fine and good, if your eyes can be corrected to a point. But... 1. What do you do when glasses wont correct your vision, in your shooting eye? 2 What do you do when you have 9+ diopters astigmatism, in you shooting eye? 3. What do you do when the optic nerve has partially disconnected from the eyeball and there are gray areas (that see nothing), in you shooting eye? 4 What do you do when you cant focus on two items at the same time, unless they are the same distance from your shooting eye? I could go on-and-on, but it would be useless. I grew up shooting iron sights and didnt shoot a scope until nearly 30 years old. Was I an expert with iron sights, no, but I did ok. Am I an expert with a scoped rifle, no, but I do ok. I'm sick and tired of all the 'I can shoot better than you because I learned to shoot with iron sights and still do types.' I'm glad you still have the eyesight to shoot the iron sights, and wish to God I did, but I dont and I can live with it. Why cant you? I don't mean my comments to belittle, but it depends, and I have no issues with not shooting irons, at some point they will be difficult to shoot. That being said I have a friend that as I recall, is 9.25 or some really large( to me at least) correction and shoots irons in competition still today. Takes a lot of work though. I have a LOT of floaters and I"m not saying this compares to your areas of non vision, but I've had to deal with them in the way of seeing the sight often and simply have to look it off enough until something clicks again... I have never been able to focus on 2 things at one time. Ever. I have astigmatism about 1/3 as bad as yours, my lenses have to be specifically oriented. As I noted, I've been through a lot. Others have been through more. Sometimes its how bad you want to do something. Other times we are all aware, it eventually won't work one way and you have to do it another way. So no offense intended, and if you can't or don't want to make it work, I've no issues with that. Many that have good eyes etc... are simply too lazy to want to make it work. Thats their call too. Jeff I agree with what you are saying. And, trust me, I would give just about anything to be able to see well enough to shoot with out a scope. With the scope, I only have to focus on a single point and that I can do. Dont get me wrong, that point is not perfectly clear, but I get by. Depending on how much pressure is in the eye on any given day, I may see a dot and a half of another, when I look at a target. And then it may be just a single dot. And, I agree that lots of folks could shoot iron sights, if they wanted to. No offense intended here either. Randy I have a buddy here, only 46, that has trouble shooting scopes already.. at least really good shooting anyway. Pretty sure he coudl get corrected, but I've noted that it takes a lot to shoot irons. For me it can depend on light, vs tint, or even no tint. Rear ap size has to change depending on light also, and still have to have the lense corrected to the front sight on top of it. Takes a lot of work if you have eyes like mine. And mine are not that bad. I think we are on the same page! Jeff As an aside I've hunted with irons for some instances, but most of my actual hunitng is scoped, and nto with small power after shooting a red dot on a deer once and not being able to see the vines in teh way that caused us a lost/wounded deer with broken front leg right below the chest.... So when I run scopes, mostly what I run, I like the option of a bit more X than folks like because I want to see, IE if I'm going to magnify, I want enough to see any issue that might pop up...
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
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I use glass because my eyes aren't as good as they once were Same here. I bought CZ .22 a couple of years ago and my eyes couldn't focus properly using the sights. Sold it short time later. You're aware that you can put a scope on CZ rimfire's,,, right?
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Some days back here in the NE where it's raining or snowing during deer season....a scope is nothing but a PITA. You can walk up on deer,they hold tight, and close shots are the norm.
On a 10 day hunt, you can count on one or two days like that.
I think irons are pretty cool but like a peep best.
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so a peep is not an iron sight? Just ribbin ya... lol
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
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I like both open and optics according to the application. Fear WTF is that Gi Gi? ![[Linked Image]](http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u258/elkhunter76/rifles/DSC02399.jpg)
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twerpes posts again! 
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My first problem with Irons is not shooting the rifle, it is in seeing the game clearly in the brush and against many backgrounds. Seeing a deer is one thing, finding the right spot and focusing on it is harder. Shooting at an easily seen target at the range is not a big problem, I can at least get off a shot.
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I have herpes again!
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Yup,he's just like that virus....what is it called......HERPES!
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I just got that virus....what is it called......HERPES!
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twerpes posts again! God I love that clip. It's twirp to a tee.
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God I love wearing a slip.
It arouses other gay men like me.
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Nope,that Blonde is smarter. 
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I see twerpes is posting bullcrap still but the stupid ass doesn't realize we don't see it. Probably trying to be cute with some sort of insult. He is most likely suffering from syphilis and it has got to his brain.
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"My message to my troops is if you see anybody carrying a gun on the streets of Milwaukee, we'll put them on the ground, take the gun away and then decide whether you have a right to carry it." - Milwaukee Police Chief Ed Flynn
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Herpes has a brain?
Miracles will never cease.
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I have herpes and that is no bullcrap. Still feel like a stupid ass. I try to be cute with some sort of insult. I am most likely suffering from syphilis and it has got to my brain.
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Herpes in my brain?
My gay pride will never cease.
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