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Cooper, are you declaring that Matthew, Luke, Mark, John, Peter, James, Paul, et. al. are liars?
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What does atheism "worship"? What rituals does it have? I once saw a group of atheist that were on their knees bowing before a large letter of "N". One asked another; "Is Nothing sacred"? 
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Wow...a post on religion/nonreligion and only minor bashing. Who'd a thunk it.
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Should be no bashing. I enjoy an open exchange of thoughts.
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Wow...a post on religion/nonreligion and only minor bashing. Who'd a thunk it. Yeah, well GFY. OOPS!
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Cooper, are you declaring that Matthew, Luke, Mark, John, Peter, James, Paul, et. al. are liars? No more than Buddah, Mohammad, King Tut, Solomon, Ghandi, Bob Marley, Brigham Young etc etc. How many times was the bible translated? I'm sure nothing ever gets lost in translation.
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By definition Atheism is a religion, however Atheists don't want to say that because religion is often offensive to them.
Possibly some have reason to be offended. I probably would be offended by someone who spoke to me for 5 minuets and declared I was going to Hell because I didn't agree with them.
I'm a Christian but I don't mind Atheists as long as they don't attack or belittle me for my beliefs. I've met some that seem to want to go out of their way to be offensive but like I said Christians can be just as bad. I don't agree with Atheists but quickly playing the Hell card isn't going to lead to any discussion or conversion either.
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The translation(s) you mentioned have been done over the years as new manuscripts were found and from better understandings of specific word meanings as intended and perceived. You are right about things lost but there's also the matter of things found.
How about a yes or no answer to my question about the disciples/apostles mentioned?
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The Supreme Court declared it is. Can you supply us with the case, and the case # and date? This isn't a dig....Im truly curious.
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By definition Atheism is a religion, however Atheists don't want to say that because religion is often offensive to them.
Possibly some have reason to be offended. I probably would be offended by someone who spoke to me for 5 minuets and declared I was going to Hell because I didn't agree with them.
I'm a Christian but I don't mind Atheists as long as they don't attack or belittle me for my beliefs. I've met some that seem to want to go out of their way to be offensive but like I said Christians can be just as bad. I don't agree with Atheists but quickly playing the Hell card isn't going to lead to any discussion or conversion either. Well said! I do get tired of the few radical haters who say a cross offends them. They have a right to not believe just as you and I have a right to believe.
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The translation(s) you mentioned have been done over the years as new manuscripts were found and from better understandings of specific word meanings as intended and perceived. You are right about things lost but there's also the matter of things found.
How about a yes or no answer to my question about the disciples/apostles mentioned?
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Wonder where Ole Cooper ran off to? Was here just a few minutes ago.
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Both liberals and muslims claim to be tolerant, until you disagree with them. Funny how that works.
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The translation(s) you mentioned have been done over the years as new manuscripts were found and from better understandings of specific word meanings as intended and perceived. You are right about things lost but there's also the matter of things found.
How about a yes or no answer to my question about the disciples/apostles mentioned? I have no way of knowing and neither does anyone else. If they came to a wrong conclusion, which they believed, would they be liars, or just mistaken?
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The translation(s) you mentioned have been done over the years as new manuscripts were found and from better understandings of specific word meanings as intended and perceived. You are right about things lost but there's also the matter of things found.
How about a yes or no answer to my question about the disciples/apostles mentioned? I have no way of knowing and neither does anyone else. If they came to a wrong conclusion, which they believed, would they be liars, or just mistaken? That brings up an interesting question. I always assumed that Atheists just took the Bible as fiction. Are you saying that you believe the Apostles lived but they were just mistaken when they saw blinded eyes opened, deaf people speak, lame walk, and the dead raised up?
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[quote=Old_Toot]Cooper, are you declaring that Matthew, Luke, Mark, John, Peter, James, Paul, et. al. are liars?[/quote
Not Cooper but I'll give it a shot. Where they liars? I don't know. I wouldn't think so. But how do I know what they wrote? How do I know who wrote what? When was it written? Was it 100% accurate?
Let's say the disciples did write the books with their names on them. Does that make it Gods word? The same disciples who couldn't seem to understand what was being told to them half the time? The ones who denied and doubted him? See I don't think that makes them bad people, just human. I don't expect them to be perfect, not their writings(if those even are their writings). Now as for Paul, I have major doubts about Paul. I see no reason to believe he was really a disciple or should be given the authority that he has been. It just doesn't make sense.
I don't think the Bible is the infallible word of God. It could be, but I don't think so. I also don't think it needs to be. If you knew suddenly with 100% certainty that the Bible was not 100% gods word, would it destroy your faith? Would you give up and stop believing in God altogether?
Is God big enough and apparent enough to exist for you without a book?
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Both liberals and muslims claim to be tolerant, until you disagree with them. Funny how that works. ...."Live and let live" need not apply. 
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The translation(s) you mentioned have been done over the years as new manuscripts were found and from better understandings of specific word meanings as intended and perceived. You are right about things lost but there's also the matter of things found.
How about a yes or no answer to my question about the disciples/apostles mentioned? I have no way of knowing and neither does anyone else. If they came to a wrong conclusion, which they believed, would they be liars, or just mistaken? That brings up an interesting question. I always assumed that Atheists just took the Bible as fiction. Are you saying that you believe the Apostles lived but they were just mistaken when they saw blinded eyes opened, deaf people speak, lame walk, and the dead raised up? Do you believe every faith healer, or anyone who has revived someone from death's door is a god or a son of god? One can believe the apostles lived, but wrote fiction. Lots have been written about lots of gods over time. They can't all be right, but they can all be wrong.
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[quote=Old_Toot]Cooper, are you declaring that Matthew, Luke, Mark, John, Peter, James, Paul, et. al. are liars?[/quote
Not Cooper but I'll give it a shot. Where they liars? I don't know. I wouldn't think so. But how do I know what they wrote? How do I know who wrote what? When was it written? Was it 100% accurate?
Let's say the disciples did write the books with their names on them. Does that make it Gods word? The same disciples who couldn't seem to understand what was being told to them half the time? The ones who denied and doubted him? See I don't think that makes them bad people, just human. I don't expect them to be perfect, not their writings(if those even are their writings). Now as for Paul, I have major doubts about Paul. I see no reason to believe he was really a disciple or should be given the authority that he has been. It just doesn't make sense.
I don't think the Bible is the infallible word of God. It could be, but I don't think so. I also don't think it needs to be. If you knew suddenly with 100% certainty that the Bible was not 100% gods word, would it destroy your faith? Would you give up and stop believing in God altogether?
Is God big enough and apparent enough to exist for you without a book? No not necessarily but the main theme in the Gospels is a truth that must be accepted to be saved. To believe that there is a God is not enough. The Gospels teach me that I can't just trust in a God that will either accept me or not based on how acceptable I am in this life. It's the written Gospels that show me the great revelation that I could never be good enough to be accepted on my own. Jesus took my place accepting my judgement as his own. To be saved I have to trust in His sacrifice of himself as having been made on my behalf.
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