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You or others might explore further - I would not. I'm sorry. I thought you already had one. Travis
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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Down-range velocities compared —
• 50-grain V-Max @ 3,850 ft/sec, BC 0.242 (.220 Swift, Hornady factory load) • 75-grain A-Max @ 3,450 ft/sec, BC 0.435 (.224 Laser, maximum handload)
@ 199 yd — Swift 2,998 ft.sec — Laser 2,998 ft/sec @ 500 yd — Swift 1,965 ft/sec — Laser 2,393 ft/sec @ 1,000 yd — Swift 998 ft/sec — Laser 1,562 ft/sec
Whoa.. Now THAT is speed retention..
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"Steve's kinda gruff with Ken as Ken has offended him in the past. I'm always surprised how passive/aggressive/easily offended Steve is considering the mature believer he is."
The overriding mark of intellectual honesty is the practice of "putting principles before personalities".
Letting a dispute about religious matters influence a conversation about rifle cartridges is definitely NOT an example of that principle.
And it appears as if that is what happened here.
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I have not seen it for sure.
But has anyone ever really tested all this theoretical stuff with the .224 Laser over a sufficient number of barrels, shots, and field use to see if the theory tests out?
Has there been any real pressure testing done either by an individual or manufacturer?
Is there any hard data period?
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I've been in the Swift camp for 35 + yrs and don't see a change anytime soon...
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You or others might explore further - I would not. I'm sorry. I thought you already had one. Travis No need for sorry - no offense - merely responding to your comment on further exploration of what sounded like a dead issue. But then ?? - you thought I already had one what?
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okie - nice post. Maybe not the optimum powder and type for the cartridge, but have used Reloader19 and it's what's in my measure right now. I read 34.7 grains of the Reloader19 with bullet seated as you describe. The designer probably can give you the case volume in water - maybe measured to the bottm of the neck - maybe not.
I wanted this rifle/cartridge for a special reason - started with a good used barrel - and agree that getting to the proper case dimensions can be a challenge. As you would probably opine, the specific dies make it easier. But, have also gone the described multi-step route from 25:06 brass. On some days I maybe can be concentrated and patient.
I do not know the complete history of that line of cartridges. But, as for basic case selection, have a hunch that one intent may have been that most - if not all - would be founded on the basic 30:06 case. I may be way off there. CCCC I believe you are correct about the case selection being from the 30-06 family being an original strong point with the same applying to Fred Zeglin's "Hawk" line of cartridges. That and a seemingly endless supply of actions with that bolt face laying around should keep a fella wanting to do this on the same general track. The 5.6 x 57 RWS case looks like it could be a contender for this type of project, maybe improved in the Ackley fashion and therefore able to fire factory loaded ammo. The brass is expensive but available and very little work involved... Hmmmm.
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I've been in the Swift camp for 35 + yrs and don't see a change anytime soon... The 222 chamberings are like pulling a 9 iron out of the bag to use. Very useful. The Swift type could easily be considered a 4... grin
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I've been in the Swift camp for 35 + yrs and don't see a change anytime soon... The 222 chamberings are like pulling a 9 iron out of the bag to use. Very useful. The Swift type could easily be considered a 4... grin Yep it's plenty of speed in my book for varments but I've been very successful with the heavies on venisons and speed goats as well.
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I thought you had a .220 Howell and could explain the advantages of the cartridge.
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Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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"Steve's kinda gruff with Ken as Ken has offended him in the past. I'm always surprised how passive/aggressive/easily offended Steve is considering the mature believer he is."
The overriding mark of intellectual honesty is the practice of "putting principles before personalities".
Letting a dispute about religious matters influence a conversation about rifle cartridges is definitely NOT an example of that principle.
And it appears as if that is what happened here. You'd have to be a Texan to make that leap. Travis
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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"Steve's kinda gruff with Ken as Ken has offended him in the past. I'm always surprised how passive/aggressive/easily offended Steve is considering the mature believer he is."
The overriding mark of intellectual honesty is the practice of "putting principles before personalities".
Letting a dispute about religious matters influence a conversation about rifle cartridges is definitely NOT an example of that principle.
And it appears as if that is what happened here. You'd have to be a Texan to make that leap. Travis That is a pretty big leap even for a Texan. I am thinking severe anal/cranial inversion is the real cause.
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I'm always surprised how passive/aggressive/easily offended Steve is considering the mature believer he is." His public language doesn't sound like a mature believer to me. He sounds like the typical unbeliever I used to work with.
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I'm always surprised how passive/aggressive/easily offended Steve is considering the mature believer he is." His public language doesn't sound like a mature believer to me. He sounds like the typical unbeliever I used to work with. I never thought you could be more wrong than you have been about various scientific matters. It appears I was mistaken, and you have outdone even yourself in wrongness and stupidity.
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I thought you had a .220 Howell and could explain the advantages of the cartridge. Travis OK - good - I do have one, but have been otherwise occupied and have not yet done nearly enough with it to give knowldgeable comments about such advantages. It does look advantageous in the data, but I have way to go. The initial experience with the 75gr was good - tight grouping and flat. Now need to do some chrono work - and need to improve the brass process.
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I'm always surprised how passive/aggressive/easily offended Steve is considering the mature believer he is." His public language doesn't sound like a mature believer to me. He sounds like the typical unbeliever I used to work with. SMD. God bless, Travis
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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I thought you had a .220 Howell and could explain the advantages of the cartridge. Travis OK - good - I do have one, but have been otherwise occupied and have not yet done nearly enough with it to give knowldgeable comments about such advantages. It does look advantageous in the data, but I have way to go. The initial experience with the 75gr was good - tight grouping and flat. Now need to do some chrono work - and need to improve the brass process. Thanks. Travis
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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His public language doesn't sound like a mature believer to me. He sounds like the typical unbeliever I used to work with.
There is no doubt that it has taken several generations of highly selected INBREEDING to reach this level of sheer STUPIDITY!
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Hey guys - Am thinking we have seen some folks on here reach what looks like religious fervor about various cartridges, or rifle makes, etc. Maybe some of that mixed in here - maybe not to be taken very seriously.
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Does everyone need to hug?
I'll be behind you.
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