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My favorite is the 10X42 S&B PMII.
This... I looked thru one of these for the first time the other day. While I doubt I'll ever have the means to afford such a scope, Damn it was impressive!
She never made it past the bedroom door, what was she aiming for...? She's gone shootin..
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[quote=HuntnShoot]I had heard that low-light brought issues with the SWFA 10x, which is why I haven't tried one. Maybe with better glass it isn't an issue.
I have carried a variable set at 8x for a couple seasons to see if it would work, and 8x is just fine for me for 20-450+. I'd love to have a $300 8x that tracked well and had decent glass. [/quote I used to own a 8x56mm IOR that had excellent glass in it and in low light situations it was amazing... I loved everything about that scope except the fact it weighed as much s the rifle it was on... I sold it for twice what I paid for it and the new owner was just as happy.
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Around here, in your face shots are not what I get the most of and I don't see a straight 10x as being much of a hindrance. But, a top notch straight 8x40 would have my attention for sure. I don't expect it to happen, but I would love to see Bushnell come out with a fixed X series of their LRHS in 6x, 8x and 10x. An 8x SWFA in their HD version would be great too. I would be on one of those like a Somali on a big mac….
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If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
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Compared to some of the variables people use for hunting today, a fixed 10X seems kind of retro and tame... Bob, I am lost on this place. The fixed 6 is Godsend, the fixed 4, well about as good, the 3-9 is too much and the fixed 10 is great... The optics bunch are the looniest of them all. Well that and the 23" barrel gang...
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Compared to some of the variables people use for hunting today, a fixed 10X seems kind of retro and tame... Bob, I am lost on this place. The fixed 6 is Godsend, the fixed 4, well about as good, the 3-9 is too much and the fixed 10 is great... The optics bunch are the looniest of them all. Well that and the 23" barrel gang... Count me in the fixed power scope area....... all I own. P.s. 620mm is where its at for barrel length!
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Fixed 10x on a coyote gun..... that's preposterous... 10x Leupold here...
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Heck, I used a 15x Weaver on a mulie at 90 yards two years ago. No problem. It was a quick shot with a narrow time window. 10x is fine by me although I prefer the fixed 6x for most. (Never had a problem using the 3x really!)
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I have used issued 10x scopes more than a fair amount and have not found them to be an issue. In fact I like the simplicity.
I have a USO fixed 10x and it is one of my favorite optics. Sitting on an older Tikka LSA 30-06.
Ive been looking at the SWFA fixed 10s, specifically the mil/mil version.
THE CHAIR IS AGAINST THE WALL. The Tikka T3 in .308 Winchester is the Glock 19 of the rifle world. The website is up and running!www.lostriverammocompany.com
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Don, I agree that Lyman's Target Spots and Super Target Spots are nice, old technology, scopes, but they don't have much in the way of field of view or light transmission when compared to today's 10x scopes, even the inexpensive Bushnell 3200 10x40s. The TS and STS were top-shelf in their day, but they are anachronisms in light of the advances in optics technology over the past fifty years. Or so it seems to me.
PS - the only old technology variable target scope that I recall seeing anybody use are the B&L Balvar 6-24x stove pipes.
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I use mostly variables, and at dark thirty, 10X does not cut it. Way too dim, I am down to 4-6X to see what I need to.
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I started keeping my scopes at 8x a few years ago as I use 8x binoculars and found my coyote hunting benefited as I no longer had a problem mis-judging the distance on shots when going from sighting through the binoculars to finding and aiming with the scope, if that makes sense. If I get a pair of 10x binoculars I will probably start using a 10x scope.
My next scopes are going to be fixed power and likely the 6x FII, I would really like an 8x though if I could find one that was trim and had a long eye relief. Anyone know of a scope like that in 8x?
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Good friend in a wheelchair used a 243 77V w/a 2.5x10 for years and it was always set @ "2&10" (200 yds on the focus and 10X). I have no idea how many animals ( G.Squirrels-Elk) were killed with it but a lot more than holes in paper before the barrel gave up. He used 85gr HPBT Sierra's and Mil surp. H-414. Muddy
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Growing up in the '60's, I did a lot of groundhog and deer hunting. I could afford 1 rifle and 1 scope. The ideal combination for me at that time was a LH Savage 110 .243 with a Lyman 10X All-American scope that I bought used. I learned to shoot the 10X pretty well off-hand and that combo produced a ton of game for about 20 yrs. until I switched to variable powers. I still have the rifle and scope by the way.
With so many good variable scope options today, a fixed power wouldn't be my top choice or even in my top 10 choices, but the 10X can work well.
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Biggest fixed power I have is an 8x56mm S&B that is on a .223Rem for shooting foxes at night. I have also taken a few Roe deer up in Scotland with this combo.
Having viewed through a couple of mid priced 10x42mm scopes, I personally would not want them for "hunting"..
I can appreciate they will work well for medium to long range shots in good light, but given where and how I hunt,those particular circumstances would not be very common and I would therefore prefer a variable or lower fixed power.
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I understand where they would be less than ideal in heavy vegetation, at short ranges. That said, I tend to hunt wide open areas, and the vast majority of my shots are in the mid 400s.
THE CHAIR IS AGAINST THE WALL. The Tikka T3 in .308 Winchester is the Glock 19 of the rifle world. The website is up and running!www.lostriverammocompany.com
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I am interested to hear folks opinions of the SWFA 10x
THE CHAIR IS AGAINST THE WALL. The Tikka T3 in .308 Winchester is the Glock 19 of the rifle world. The website is up and running!www.lostriverammocompany.com
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As noted above, I have the MRAD 10x SWFA SS with the MilQuad Reticle for 299$.
Words fail me on how hart one should be kicking oneself not giving it a try.
Great reticle, precise adjustments. Rugged. Glass good/reticle good enough till about 20 min after sun down in the open.
Nothing not to like.
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I am amazed more folks don't use a 8x40 for FOV vs 10x for Big game. My fave scope on a Forester 243 was a 7.5x though an 8x36 was also very good. The 7.5 had the big eyebox like the 6x42
If I could buy an FX-3 in 7.5x42 - matte duplex and vertical M1 it would be the Shizzle IMHO
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My experience is that FOV is one of the most overrated features in hunting optics. If somebody has trouble "finding" an animal in a 10x, they're not going to do significantly better with an 8x.
But then the Campfire is yet another place where heated discussions of really tiny differences usually go on the longest.
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