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So, who is this "gun expert" of yours? That question has been asked very plainly many times and never once answered.

When this dead horse wakes up it's going to stomp the snot out of you fellas for disturbing the peace.


Someone needs to send a link to Comedy Central?

Only dont' try to shot that horse with the T/C and incompetently loaded reloads....

Sounds like your story is changing again as you were adamant your loads weren't over SAAMI specs, yet now you say they were never actually tested by you or TC? All you've proven thus far is you ignored published load data, and seriously injured yourself due to some sort of failure. You contend headspace based on no evidence thus far while you failed to mention initially that the pistol grip broke in half. If you want to bad mouth TC say they make crappy plastic stocks, not that the action design is faulty as thus far you have zero proof of that regardless of what the jury found. What is especially damning is your lack of inclusion of all these facts in your initial TC bashing when you could have just as easily said "I sued TC and won because the pistol grip broke" but instead have piecemealed out information that supported only your story, until further pressed for more information when you suddenly develop amnesia. If I were on that jury you wouldn't have gotten a damn dime since you clearly don't seem to have any idea what actually happened. Interestingly, I also don't see any blood on the scope yet when I've witnessed others take a scope in the eye/forehead there was a visible (if not substantial) amount of blood on the scope +/- gun...

I have been doing just that. My QL gives a choice of several brand cases, that have very different capacities.
So much of this post is murky - I'm pretty clear on the 85 gr.
of H-1000, but is 180 gr. E-tip the right bullet?
Anyhow, adjusting the seating depth way WAY out there, and with the highest capacity case, I'm seeing around 60,000 psi.
Switch to the lower capacity, seat the bullet a little deeper,
it goes to 75,000 and beyond rather quickly.
I'd really like to know what brand brass and COAL were involved in this situation, but am not holding my breath...

I will say one thing - from my personal experience with compressed loads, IF these were compressed as high as some of the scenarios QL conjures up, NO WAY were the bullets not creeping out of the case. So probably jammed into the rifling
I'd guess. Which is about all I can do without the details.[/quote]


Thanks for the calcs.

I was using Nosler Accubond bullet

Bullet creep - . I never had a rifling mark on my loads, never had a stuck bullet and when none of my hand loads moved (powder pushing bullets out) during the trial 8 years later, I tend to think they were not going to move.

Bullets were seated out about as far as I could get them and not contact the lands.

Also I took a good 30 or so to tap the case and let the powder settle....I was not mass producing round...box of 20 for a hunt.

There's a very simple explanation for all of this. Mr. Ward blew up a gun and sued the manufacturer. But the simple fact is, if you handload and blow up a gun, there's no way to prove that the round you blew up the gun with wasn't faulty. But that doesn't let the gun manufacturer off the hook entirely.

The jury didn't think it was entirely T/C's fault, but the gun blew up and injured the Mr. Ward, so they thought he deserved something. They decided on a 60/40 split but we don't know their rationale.

That was not enough in Mr. Ward's opinion, so now Mr. Ward is trying to "get back" at T/C, the only way he knows how, by posting his version of the facts or side of the story all over the internet.

What more needs to be said? The grandiosity of the thread title says it all, don't you think?

TC Arms changed the Encore stock after my accident to a thicker profile....but that was completely unrelated and for aesthetics according to what was presented in trial

I personally did not believe it, do you?

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Clark

Said this before.....I don’t have the case files my attorney does. I’m speaking in just general terms from memory. I’m not trying to re-litigate this case over the internet.

I sure as hell don't.

But when they get sued for someone using handloads in their gun, despite a warning saying not to use handloads in their gun, my guess is they thought a little more idiot proofing was in order.

bobhanson1
My story has not changed at all.

I am going to apologize for being a dick in this thread; chalk it up to to many years of dealing with the public and a level of cynicism you may not deserve, but I got to know a few simple answers.

What was the mechanism of injury, i.e. what, specifically caused the damage to your eye?

Seeing as your expert had his information rendered inadmissible, was he actually a professional or a lay expert in cartridge loading?

You're story never changed-really? It sure looks like you were adamant your loads met SAAMI specs, yet then you admit no one ever actually measured the pressure to verify that??? We can argue whether your story changed or whether you just continue to omit details that make you look like a bigger dumbass than you do already, but at the end of the day your inability to follow a load manual and your wild ass guesses on what the pressure of a compressed load of powder aided in your misfortunes.

As I said earlier, if you were on here saying TC made a bad stock, it broke, and you had a terrible injuries when it did so, I'd be all for believing you as that's perfectly believable even with reloading errors. However, your various additions to your original story only seem to confirm you only wished to bash TC because you felt you deserved more as another poster noted above, not actually point out what was defective with the gun which only appears to be the stock (and may include the headspace based on your court testimony, but headspace doesn't explain why your stock broke in half does it?)

One more thing to consider when hammering someone over his memory of events. Look at the judgment posted earlier in this thread. The jury came back with its verdict IN 2013. They been arguing over getting a judgment entered since then. It is really pretty damned amazing when you consider that in its most basic form a judgment in a case like this is supposed to be nothing more than a recitation of the decision of the jury and its findings. So, for two years, TWO YEARS, they've been arguing, not over the case, but simply how to write down the decision the jury has already made.

I've never seen a court around here that would have put up with that sort of wrangling for so long. But it does provide an insight into what you deal with when you have a team of highly paid attorneys, paid by the hour, and the court doesn't rein them in. AND, it makes me even more impressed that this guy was able to get a 60% verdict. This litigation had to be an absolutely exceptional nightmare in a type of litigation that is known for being nightmarishly difficult to litigate.

And further, although the damages were blacked out, I'll bet they were in the tens or hundreds of thousands and not millions. The damages don't seem that high to me. I'm willing to bet that TC spent a lot more on attorneys' fees than it will on paying out a judgment.

The judgment is easily seen through the blacked out portion.

Your bias against corporate defendants is showing again.

The injury was blunt force trauma…. No powder burns or brass. What actually hit me… I do not know for sure so its speculation.

My expert is a gunsmith / firearms maker / customizer. I did not ask if I could post his name online so I will not be doing so. I don’t think he or anyone would want to be a part of the bashing....IMO mainly because people can see past their preconceived notions.

I posted this before also.....

The stock breaks in bending when the gun blows open....very violent.

The excessive headspace allows gasses to act on the plunger thus allowing the gun to open. (We are not talking about a bolt gun here….the plunger is held in place with a spring That supposedly needs to be replaced after so many shots that they never tell you about.)

Hit the nail on the head with that post!!!!

Well, then tell me what it is because your eyes are better than mine.

As for bias against corporate defendants, TWO FRICKING YEARS AND FOUR HEARINGS about simply entering a judgment?!!! Yeah, I know it is just done to keep it in the plenary power of the court and to preserve and lengthen the time for an appeal, BUT TWO FRICKING YEARS?!!

It is also exhibit "A" as to why so many of these types of cases go by the wayside and are never filed. I'll bet, even though he might not tell you, your attorney is sorry he ever took the case. It might equal a decent payday for him at some point, but it will be after fifteen years of wrangling with these guys and probably wasn't worth it in the end for him.

The damages have to be huge for this sort of thing to really be worth it for an attorney.