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Experience... my department which purchased several hundred when they replaced existing sidearms to our officers. The model 22 for uniform and 23 for non. I have carried the 23 for several years and have seen enough (22's) turned into the armory for repairs to know the are not the "Best"
The main reason police agencies go to the Glock is cost. Administrators make the choice due to budget constraints not feedback from line officers who actually carry it.

On what evidence to you base they are the "Best"

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Originally Posted by Dekker
Experience... my department which purchased several hundred when they replaced existing sidearms to our officers. The model 22 for uniform and 23 for non. I have carried the 23 for several years and have seen enough (22's) turned into the armory for repairs to know the are not the "Best"
The main reason police agencies go to the Glock is cost. Administrators make the choice due to budget constraints not feedback from line officers who actually carry it.

On what evidence to you base they are the "Best"


Those aren't 9mm's.



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None at all, give me a .45 ACP to start. I would carry a 1911 if I carried.
I forgot, your mag carries a lot of rounds to give you a good feeling.
"Wonder nine" what is that? Proven false with troops that had the nine. Special ops carry a 1911.


Wrong, and wrong. The SIG has a very good service record, as does the Glock, both of which are carried by SpecOps units. MARSOC is the only one authorized to carry 1911s and even they lobbied (successfully) to be authorized to carry the Glock or the SIG
The 9x19 as a military round has a damned good service record, whether with the GP35 (BHP), the CZ75, the SIG, or even the Beretta M9, and now the Glock. It works.


Since Special Operations troops use unique equipment, do things that Big Army et al doesn't do, and has its own independent purchasing authority, let's leave them out of this. What they use isn't pertinent here

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Originally Posted by Dekker
Experience... my department which purchased several hundred when they replaced existing sidearms to our officers. The model 22 for uniform and 23 for non. I have carried the 23 for several years and have seen enough (22's) turned into the armory for repairs to know the are not the "Best"
The main reason police agencies go to the Glock is cost. Administrators make the choice due to budget constraints not feedback from line officers who actually carry it.

On what evidence to you base they are the "Best"


Those aren't 9mm's.



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Glocks didn't start having "issues" per se, until they were chambered for the 40 S&W.

He is right about agencies switching to Glock because of cost. God help us if the bean counters ever find out about Hi Points.



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But Glocks truly are good pistols which is something a lot of people leave out. Good product + lower cost = buy 'em.

Underselling your competition certainly helps popularity, but that's not painting the whole picture. They're still an excellent pistol.

As far as asking guys in the field... See all the opinions on this thread? You get the same fugging schit when you ask a group of cops.

Give your test group the top five and let them narrow it down. 'Bout the best you can do when outfitting a large numbers of dickbeaters.





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Yes I know the 22 & 23 are not 9's, but they are built on the same frame just a different caliber.
If you read my original post then you would know I stated Glocks are good pistols just not the best.

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Originally Posted by Dekker
Yes I know the 22 & 23 are not 9's, but they are built on the same frame just a different caliber.
If you read my original post then you would know I stated Glocks are good pistols just not the best.



You're missing the point. The glocks were built for 9mms


Show me a 17 that has broken


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Show me a 17 that has broken[/quote]

Seriously? Simply google broken Glock 17 and prepare to be amazed. You fan boys kill me.

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I must be on ignore, everyone missed this post. The end of the discussion...

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Love them also. I own a PSP and an M8. But I'm not sure 8 or 13 qualifies as a high-capacity.


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H&K will have to do away with that ridiculous fugging mag release, as well as get a few more years under their belt before they can go on my list.

Seriously, that mag release is a POS. Classic example of German over-thinking.



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Man, the butt-hurt towards HK is strong with you.

I happen to love the mag release on my USPs. I can drop and switch quick without readjusting the gun in my hand or moving off target very far at all as compared to standard mag-release configurations.


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Originally Posted by Dekker

Show me a 17 that has broken


Seriously? Simply google broken Glock 17 and prepare to be amazed. You fan boys kill me. [/quote]


Actually if i'm a fanboy of anything it's Sig

That said all things considered Glocks are tough to beat


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Originally Posted by deflave
But Glocks truly are good pistols which is something a lot of people leave out. Good product + lower cost = buy 'em.

Underselling your competition certainly helps popularity, but that's not painting the whole picture. They're still an excellent pistol.

As far as asking guys in the field... See all the opinions on this thread? You get the same fugging schit when you ask a group of cops.

Give your test group the top five and let them narrow it down. 'Bout the best you can do when outfitting a large numbers of dickbeaters.





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AMEN from the corner! having been in the middle of a couple of those goat fooks, I'd just a soon be a part of one of those agencies that has a list of 3 or so duty pistols and let it go at that.

You can't make everyone happy.



Anyway, the deal with the Glock is, you get more for the dollar you spend than you do with some others. (read, H&K, for instance)



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Originally Posted by CrimsonTide
Originally Posted by deflave
But Glocks truly are good pistols which is something a lot of people leave out. Good product + lower cost = buy 'em.

Underselling your competition certainly helps popularity, but that's not painting the whole picture. They're still an excellent pistol.

As far as asking guys in the field... See all the opinions on this thread? You get the same fugging schit when you ask a group of cops.

Give your test group the top five and let them narrow it down. 'Bout the best you can do when outfitting a large numbers of dickbeaters.





Travis






AMEN from the corner! having been in the middle of a couple of those goat fooks, I'd just a soon be a part of one of those agencies that has a list of 3 or so duty pistols and let it go at that.

You can't make everyone happy.



Anyway, the deal with the Glock is, you get more for the dollar you spend than you do with some others. (read, H&K, for instance)




Yep, and to me "best" is not a total supremacy of a single aspect but a total of an aggregate of many aspects


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Originally Posted by Tarkio


I can drop and switch quick without readjusting the gun in my hand or moving off target very far at all


So can I.



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Originally Posted by CrimsonTide


Anyway, the deal with the Glock is, you get more for the dollar you spend than you do with some others. (read, H&K, for instance)



Yep.



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Originally Posted by Dekker
Yes I know the 22 & 23 are not 9's, but they are built on the same frame just a different caliber.


Thanks.




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I am familiar with both style mag releases.

I have some nice leather for a P7 if you are interested.



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Glock's are damn good pistols, anyone who says otherwise is either 25 years behind the times or just a hater.

The Glock-a-holics ascribe deity to the damn thing; they really need to grow up. It's just simply a very good pistol at a very reasonable price. There are a lot of very good pistols out there, so we can all choose what's right for us.

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Originally Posted by RGK
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None at all, give me a .45 ACP to start. I would carry a 1911 if I carried.
I forgot, your mag carries a lot of rounds to give you a good feeling.
"Wonder nine" what is that? Proven false with troops that had the nine. Special ops carry a 1911.


Nope. 1st SFOD-D (Delta) issues Glock 22s. 1911A1 accurized pistols haven't been used for awhile. SEALs issue a SIG 226. Marine Spec Ops are authorized to carry Glocks as well as the new Colt M45s. "Lots of rounds" is a good thing...in combat or stateside. I carried a Beretta 92 for over twenty years on the LAPD. I had 61 rounds on me when I worked uniform...46 rounds in plainclothes. I liked that "good feeling" that lots of rounds give. Nothing wrong with a Beretta, except it's kinda hard to conceal sometimes in LA on a warm summer day.
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Bob, thanks for bringing some clarity to the why on an M9/92 platform. Mine aren't any part of a concealed carry strategy. With 18 and 20 rd magazines available that fit into the mag well just like a 15, I find it hard not to like them. I have NEVER had a FTF, FTL, FTE with either of my M9's. They are an integral part of my self-defense package.


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