I think I would like a set of rangefinder binoculars. Currently have for binoculars a pair of 10x42 Steiner Night Hunters. Leica LRF 800 range finder. For the money $1600 or under give or take. What pair have a good binocular glass and electronics. Looked on line at the following but have no real hands on experience with any of them. Steiner Predator Geovid R Sig 3000 Kilo Sig 6k
That is the older model. Shops closing them out, from what I have seen. I ended up buying a pair for $1,199.00 locally. At that price, they were a better buy than a set of Vortex Furry 5000 like my buddy has. After comparing the Leica to the Vortex, it was a no brainer. Those of you looking for a very good set of range finding binoculars and don't mind spending just a hair more, look for the new model of Geovid 10x42. They range out to 2,000 yards, instead of 1,200 like the ones shown by Doug.. I told my local shop that I knew what they were doing and I was right. Moving out the old ones to make room for the new model. The newer version sells for about $1,400.00..
I'd go Vortex to be honest and I currently have HD-B's. The Vortex are nearly as good optics wise and the rangefinder on the Vortex is actually better. Plus Vortex is way better with their warranty.
I got my hands on a pair of 10x42 sig kilo6k’s at cabelas last night. Just looking in the store I could not get a solid image. Kept seeing slight double unless I shut one eye. I wish I could of taken them outside but it was dark. Thanks guys keep responding. Ken
I know this has been asked before but I don’t remember the answer. Does anyone make a pair of rangefinding binomial with the rangefinder in the left eye? I am almost blind in my right eye so I use a separate range finder. Thanks for any info!
I know this has been asked before but I don’t remember the answer. Does anyone make a pair of rangefinding binomial with the rangefinder in the left eye? I am almost blind in my right eye so I use a separate range finder. Thanks for any info!
Dean
Originally Posted by handwerk
IIRC The first two generations of the El Range had the readout in the left eye.
I have a Gen 2 Swaro EL Range 8x42. Readout is in the left eye, but, the targeting circle is in the right eye.
How do the Vortex 5000 compare at low light with the Alpha glass. I would rather have sharpness, clarity, and good low light gathering than longer ranging capabilities. I have Leicas now and am very happy.
I happen to have 2 LRF binoculars, the Leica 8x32's and the Meopta 10x42's... The Meopta's are "almost" as good optically as the Leica's.... and the RF function is as good, and 1900.00 dollars less expensive.
The Zeiss 8x32's with a vortex rangefinder still gets lots of use, and for about 900.00 bucks for both, are good to go.
How do the Vortex 5000 compare at low light with the Alpha glass. I would rather have sharpness, clarity, and good low light gathering than longer ranging capabilities. I have Leicas now and am very happy.
They are not as good so if you have to have top end alpha glass spend the dollars.
I find the glass better than expected for the price and the rangefind has some reach.
I would say the glass is comparable to 20 year old Swaro SLCs.
How do the Vortex 5000 compare at low light with the Alpha glass. I would rather have sharpness, clarity, and good low light gathering than longer ranging capabilities. I have Leicas now and am very happy.
They are not as good so if you have to have top end alpha glass spend the dollars.
I find the glass better than expected for the price and the rangefind has some reach.
I would say the glass is comparable to 20 year old Swaro SLCs.
The best thing to do is compare them side by side. My buddy has the Vortex fury 5000 HD and my Leica Geovid's are much clearer. I would not have known that if we did not compare them side by side, as I thought the Vortex were very good for the money when we were at the range and I was spotting for him with the Vortex. The nice thing that we know about Vortex is their warranty is top notch. My buddies little boy dropped his and broke the eye pieces. His boy is only 3, so the fall was only about 1' off the ground, yet both eyepieces broke. We are still waiting to see what Vortex is going to do about them. Also, his struggled to range past about 1200 yards, while the Leica's were very quick to range objects on a hillside, like a cow standing broadside at 1203 yards. I chose Leica because the glass is that much better. Now I hope I never have to use their warranty.
I have the Vortex Fury HD 5000 binoc, which I bought to replace my old Leica Geovid. I really can't tell any difference in optical quality, but the rangefinder feature is way superior to the Leica, and in addition the Vortex is more compact, lighter, and I find the controls easier to use.
How do the Vortex 5000 compare at low light with the Alpha glass. I would rather have sharpness, clarity, and good low light gathering than longer ranging capabilities. I have Leicas now and am very happy.
They are not as good so if you have to have top end alpha glass spend the dollars.
I find the glass better than expected for the price and the rangefind has some reach.
I would say the glass is comparable to 20 year old Swaro SLCs.
The best thing to do is compare them side by side. My buddy has the Vortex fury 5000 HD and my Leica Geovid's are much clearer. I would not have known that if we did not compare them side by side, as I thought the Vortex were very good for the money when we were at the range and I was spotting for him with the Vortex. The nice thing that we know about Vortex is their warranty is top notch. My buddies little boy dropped his and broke the eye pieces. His boy is only 3, so the fall was only about 1' off the ground, yet both eyepieces broke. We are still waiting to see what Vortex is going to do about them. Also, his struggled to range past about 1200 yards, while the Leica's were very quick to range objects on a hillside, like a cow standing broadside at 1203 yards. I chose Leica because the glass is that much better. Now I hope I never have to use their warranty.
I find it hard to believe the Fury 5000 "struggled" past 1200 yards. I had no problem with ANY target to 2600 yards and out to 3500 on good refective targets. The range finding feature is far, far superior to any Leica product. Period. I've used them all
Votex Fury HD 5000...Gifted it away. Meh glass, clumsy big diopter ring, ocular ring was pretty thick/wide. Laser was fantastic! YMMV.
Leica 10x42 Geovids. They have nice glass. The laser is slower to get a reading and temperature temperamental. I still have them.
Zeiss Victory 10x50 and 10x42 both are the older versions-5 years old. While the glass is still ‘alpha’, to me the Leica glass is a smidge better. I still have both of these.
As for the RF laser. Zeiss is excellent! At one point in time, Zeiss’s laser had the tightest dispersion rating for lazing at distances. Meaning, the Victory’s were more consistent at showing extended yardages over many of the other top tier alpha BRF. I believe Vortex might be as good, maybe better at this time.
I haven’t used or seen in person the latest offering from Zeiss Victory in a BRF. If I was in the market. Zeiss would definitely be one I would have to see.
Most everything is subjective based on a person’s vision for glass clarity. Mechanics are mechanics and can be measured by an individual who’s used several alpha products from different makers.
To answer the OP I would grab those Geovid R's from Doug's demo list. I spent a couple weeks this fall hunting in Montana using both my old Geovid HD-R's and the new Swaro EL Range TA's. I'm not a LR guy so I don't need all the technology that the EL Ranges's offer and their optics sure impressed but I will say those old Geovid's weren't that far behind in both RF function and optically. Alpha glass has spoiled me , I value my time afield so I'm willing to spend a little more on optics because it brings more joy to the whole experience for me.
I’m still using my Swaro SLC 7x42. Add a Leica rangefinder. Leica is good to about 1000 yards. You guys have got me thinking of upgrading to a single unit, but I definitely Will hang onto my SLC‘S.
Votex Fury HD 5000...Gifted it away. Meh glass, clumsy big diopter ring, ocular ring was pretty thick/wide. Laser was fantastic! YMMV.
Leica 10x42 Geovids. They have nice glass. The laser is slower to get a reading and temperature temperamental. I still have them.
Zeiss Victory 10x50 and 10x42 both are the older versions-5 years old. While the glass is still ‘alpha’, to me the Leica glass is a smidge better. I still have both of these.
As for the RF laser. Zeiss is excellent! At one point in time, Zeiss’s laser had the tightest dispersion rating for lazing at distances. Meaning, the Victory’s were more consistent at showing extended yardages over many of the other top tier alpha BRF. I believe Vortex might be as good, maybe better at this time.
I haven’t used or seen in person the latest offering from Zeiss Victory in a BRF. If I was in the market. Zeiss would definitely be one I would have to see.
Most everything is subjective based on a person’s vision for glass clarity. Mechanics are mechanics and can be measured by an individual who’s used several alpha products from different makers.
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Well it looks like I have outed another sock puppet making stuff up.
Now if you had said you had 5 year old Zeiss 10x56mm and 10X45mm that I would believe.
I have the older Victorys in 10x45mm and the glass still holds up pretty well to current alphas but kinda want the new 10X54mm Zeiss with the AK prisms.
I think the Zeiss 10X54 RF Victorys should be the prize for winning THE COVETED "Rent Free in Most Heads" Beaver10 award.
How do the Vortex 5000 compare at low light with the Alpha glass. I would rather have sharpness, clarity, and good low light gathering than longer ranging capabilities. I have Leicas now and am very happy.
They are not as good so if you have to have top end alpha glass spend the dollars.
I find the glass better than expected for the price and the rangefind has some reach.
I would say the glass is comparable to 20 year old Swaro SLCs.
The best thing to do is compare them side by side. My buddy has the Vortex fury 5000 HD and my Leica Geovid's are much clearer. I would not have known that if we did not compare them side by side, as I thought the Vortex were very good for the money when we were at the range and I was spotting for him with the Vortex. The nice thing that we know about Vortex is their warranty is top notch. My buddies little boy dropped his and broke the eye pieces. His boy is only 3, so the fall was only about 1' off the ground, yet both eyepieces broke. We are still waiting to see what Vortex is going to do about them. Also, his struggled to range past about 1200 yards, while the Leica's were very quick to range objects on a hillside, like a cow standing broadside at 1203 yards. I chose Leica because the glass is that much better. Now I hope I never have to use their warranty.
I have HD-B's and my brother has Fury's. We have traded off many times. There is very little difference glass wise. There is a differange range finder wise. The Fury is much better.
How do the Vortex 5000 compare at low light with the Alpha glass. I would rather have sharpness, clarity, and good low light gathering than longer ranging capabilities. I have Leicas now and am very happy.
They are not as good so if you have to have top end alpha glass spend the dollars.
I find the glass better than expected for the price and the rangefind has some reach.
I would say the glass is comparable to 20 year old Swaro SLCs.
The best thing to do is compare them side by side. My buddy has the Vortex fury 5000 HD and my Leica Geovid's are much clearer. I would not have known that if we did not compare them side by side, as I thought the Vortex were very good for the money when we were at the range and I was spotting for him with the Vortex. The nice thing that we know about Vortex is their warranty is top notch. My buddies little boy dropped his and broke the eye pieces. His boy is only 3, so the fall was only about 1' off the ground, yet both eyepieces broke. We are still waiting to see what Vortex is going to do about them. Also, his struggled to range past about 1200 yards, while the Leica's were very quick to range objects on a hillside, like a cow standing broadside at 1203 yards. I chose Leica because the glass is that much better. Now I hope I never have to use their warranty.
I find it hard to believe the Fury 5000 "struggled" past 1200 yards. I had no problem with ANY target to 2600 yards and out to 3500 on good refective targets. The range finding feature is far, far superior to any Leica product. Period. I've used them all
Votex Fury HD 5000...Gifted it away. Meh glass, clumsy big diopter ring, ocular ring was pretty thick/wide. Laser was fantastic! YMMV.
Leica 10x42 Geovids. They have nice glass. The laser is slower to get a reading and temperature temperamental. I still have them.
Zeiss Victory 10x50 and 10x42 both are the older versions-5 years old. While the glass is still ‘alpha’, to me the Leica glass is a smidge better. I still have both of these.
As for the RF laser. Zeiss is excellent! At one point in time, Zeiss’s laser had the tightest dispersion rating for lazing at distances. Meaning, the Victory’s were more consistent at showing extended yardages over many of the other top tier alpha BRF. I believe Vortex might be as good, maybe better at this time.
I haven’t used or seen in person the latest offering from Zeiss Victory in a BRF. If I was in the market. Zeiss would definitely be one I would have to see.
Most everything is subjective based on a person’s vision for glass clarity. Mechanics are mechanics and can be measured by an individual who’s used several alpha products from different makers.
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Well it looks like I have outed another sock puppet making stuff up.
Now if you had said you had 5 year old Zeiss 10x56mm and 10X45mm that I would believe.
I have the older Victorys in 10x45mm and the glass still holds up pretty well to current alphas but kinda want the new 10X54mm Zeiss with the AK prisms.
I think the Zeiss 10X54 RF Victorys should be the prize for winning THE COVETED "Rent Free in Most Heads" Beaver10 award.
If beaver’s a sockpuppet, you’re an intelligent, humble, non-condescending, supreme physical specimen - with a pristine liver.
Votex Fury HD 5000...Gifted it away. Meh glass, clumsy big diopter ring, ocular ring was pretty thick/wide. Laser was fantastic! YMMV.
Leica 10x42 Geovids. They have nice glass. The laser is slower to get a reading and temperature temperamental. I still have them.
Zeiss Victory 10x50 and 10x42 both are the older versions-5 years old. While the glass is still ‘alpha’, to me the Leica glass is a smidge better. I still have both of these.
As for the RF laser. Zeiss is excellent! At one point in time, Zeiss’s laser had the tightest dispersion rating for lazing at distances. Meaning, the Victory’s were more consistent at showing extended yardages over many of the other top tier alpha BRF. I believe Vortex might be as good, maybe better at this time.
I haven’t used or seen in person the latest offering from Zeiss Victory in a BRF. If I was in the market. Zeiss would definitely be one I would have to see.
Most everything is subjective based on a person’s vision for glass clarity. Mechanics are mechanics and can be measured by an individual who’s used several alpha products from different makers.
🦫
Well it looks like I have outed another sock puppet making stuff up.
Now if you had said you had 5 year old Zeiss 10x56mm and 10X45mm that I would believe.
I have the older Victorys in 10x45mm and the glass still holds up pretty well to current alphas but kinda want the new 10X54mm Zeiss with the AK prisms.
I think the Zeiss 10X54 RF Victorys should be the prize for winning THE COVETED "Rent Free in Most Heads" Beaver10 award.
If beaver’s a sockpuppet, you’re an intelligent, humble, non-condescending, supreme physical specimen - with a pristine liver.
For what it's worth my recommendation is for the Leica in that price range for which I now use. I previously owned the Zeiss 10x45 (Heavy/Bulky), Sigs, and GPO's. I consider the Leica's far better than the ones I had previously.
Well it looks like I have outed another sock puppet making stuff up.
10x50’s were never offered in a RF Bino…
Oh schiet, you didn't know Beaver10 was a sock puppet and has no sense of humour?
He has been posting all kinds of lies.
Originally Posted by Beaver10
Originally Posted by renegade50
Roundoak belongs in the biggest liar/bullschit artist catagory.
Gonna be tight in those 2 between him and Johnny...
🤣🤣🤣🏴☠️🏴☠️🏴☠️🤣🤣🤣
Arrrrgh.....
The Board of Directors took a vote on the validity of John Burns posted pictures of game taken with a firearm in the field.
The Board came back with ‘No Finding’ of abuse, stolen valor, or photoshopped pictures for game animals. John Burn’s pictures will stand as authentic.
As to RoundOak. The Board was unanimous on anything RoundOak has ever posted, either in word or by pictorial legacy, and is to be considered untrue, and thus scrubbed from the history book of the CampFire forever.
Zeiss Victory 10x50 and 10x42 both are the older versions-5 years old. While the glass is still ‘alpha’, to me the Leica glass is a smidge better. I still have both of these. 🦫
The first gen of Zeiss Victory LR binos came in 10X56mm and 10X45mm.
Current gen Zeiss Victory LR binos come in 10X54mm and 10X42mm.
I got my hands on a pair of 10x42 sig kilo6k’s at cabelas last night. Just looking in the store I could not get a solid image. Kept seeing slight double unless I shut one eye. I wish I could of taken them outside but it was dark. Thanks guys keep responding. Ken
Keep in mind that with the SIG products, their 5-yr warranty on electro components starts on the date of manufacture of the LRF unit, NOT on the date of manufacture of the bino OR the day you buy the bino. And yes, I did talk directly to a SIG rep who confirmed that.
I have had 3 Swarovski EL range. The first set was the 8x42 and after I used them awhile, I opted for the 10X. Although I have been a bigger fan of 8X, I went to 10X when using the RF. After a couple years, when Leica came out with the HD-B, I tried them, thinking the Perger Porro prism would be a better image. After a couple years with the Leica’s, I went back to Swarovski as the image quality of the EL seemed superior. The rangefinder in the Leica was better, but I don’t need 1500+ yard ranging capabilities. All the ballistic data integrated into the binoculars was of no interest to me as I have my scopes with ballistic turrets.
When the Swarovision EL range came out, I got those and the laser seems to be better than the previous version. They continue to work well for me and can even range through the windshield of a truck.
I still have the Leica CRF 2700 for archery along with the Swarovski 8X32 NL pure binoculars, as the full size 10X42 are bigger than I want to have when I bow hunt.
Zeiss Victory 10x50 and 10x42 both are the older versions-5 years old. While the glass is still ‘alpha’, to me the Leica glass is a smidge better. I still have both of these. 🦫
The first gen of Zeiss Victory LR binos came in 10X56mm and 10X45mm.
Current gen Zeiss Victory LR binos come in 10X54mm and 10X42mm.
Thanks for playin.
My bad! Here’s a few pictures that I could find without pouring over 1000 pics. Sorry, JB, and RagAmuffin. Covid has me a smidge fogged about all the different options of optics I have currently. I wouldn’t wager against me, if I said I have close to $30k in glass alone.
Signed,
Beaver the Sock Puppet
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These Bushy kinda suck due to their blue/green glass tint. But they laze good and get used for prairie dog shoots.
I slum a Meopta Big Eye from Cabelas as well a Kowa TSN-553 for packing around.
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