Really excited to see that it seems they are listening to hunters. Saw a Shot show update from Doug, looks like a new Optika 5 rifle scope line with 1" tubes, capped turrets, and some really nice magnifications: 2x10-42, 3-15x44, 4-20x44 etc. Also new MeoPro Air binos in 8x42 and 10x42, MeoStar glass but in an open bridge design for lighter weight.

https://www.theoutdoorwire.com/releases/ee20330d-f75c-46a9-99de-7a19b5513700

The retail prices on those scopes looks pretty good. If the weight is reasonable on the 2-10x42 it could be the cat's azz.

If they do the dichrotec 4D reticles in these they will make great whitetail scopes IMO. Fingers crossed.

Nice

Looks good.I really like Meopta scopes.

I am hooked on elevation turrets. That is the only thing missing.

Me too,

I have several Zeiss Conquests....

DF

Yep I was hoping for an exposed elevation turret, but I know lots of people want capped turrets too.

I completely agree.

If an optic has a target turrets for elevation, IMO it needs to be dead nuts accurate and have zero stop. Those parameters add weight and cost.

If they have to cap elevation to hit a price point I’m okay with it. I’d rather have a capped elevation turret than a half-assed elevation turret.

Why the hell buy a scope that you cannot trust adjustments, capped or not? I will GLADLY pay more for something that works, if that's what it takes. I make no concessions for something that does not work.

Less then thrilled with my Z5 and it was twice the price of this Optika 5. Hmmmm

There's a difference between a scope doesn't track dead on a scope that won't hold zero. I've had scopes that showed some variation in the tracking, but once they were set, they held zero. Yes, these were less expensive scopes. I'd love to be able to have the best of the best for everything hunting related, but sometimes tradeoffs have to be made.

I’m in for a 2-10 and maybe a 3-15

Have you read Formidilious review on the Optika 6 scope? I have had just a few Meoptas, other then a cosmetic issue with an eyepiece and another that was used as a crowbar never had an issue.

We need to stop this old, tired argument of heavier, dialing scopes vs. lighter “set and forget” scopes. One IS NOT BETTER than the other !! It’s all in YOUR application.

Part of the problem are "set and forget" scopes that ought to be called "a pain in the ass to set because of wonky tracking and can't really forget because they aren't that great at holding zero either."

Those scopes are not considered.

Prices are very reasonable .

Yes, they are.
Hopefully they will be significantly lighter than the optika 6. A 2-10 over 16 oz isn’t going to motivate me.

Agree, If they are not bad from a weight perspective, they might push me out of my FFII comfort zone.

I don't really see it. IIRC, my 3.5-10X44 Meopros are 18 oz. I'd be happy if the 2-10 is around 18.

Before I opened the thread I hoped for a 4x. Boo.

The Optika5's are 20.8 - 23.5 ounces

So 1.25 lbs (20 oz.) on top of a 5.5 lb rifle for 6.75 lb rig. I wanna try one.

Wow, I’m out.

Lol

“Hey I haven’t seen these scopes yet, but a couple ounces and I’m already going to ignore them”

Some folks...

Doug,
Do you have any more details on the MeoPro Air binos?

You're not the only one that hoped for that!

I’m running a similarly weighted Nightforce SHV 3-10x42 on my Kimber 280 AI and it makes for a great setup. I’m sure the Meopta of the same weight will too.

I’m waiting to see what the eye relief is on the 2-10 model as I need something with a longer eye relief for another rifle I’m setting up. If not, I’ll just go with a pre loved Zeiss Conquest or Meopro 3-9x40.

Same here, I will not be inclined to buy their 2x10 if it weighs more than 16 ounces (without illumination). 12 to 14 would be better, however that's probably just a wishful dream. Meopta's Meopro 3x9x40 is 15.9 ounces, is pretty much bullet proof and is available with a #4 reticle. If the new 2x10 doesn't trip your trigger, I think the existing 3x9 is an excellent alternate. RJ

Yep. Cracks me up. If a few ounces is a game changer for a hunting rig, then you have other issues to contend with. I like my heavy-built, well-made scopes and will take the reliability of a heavier, tough scope any day, over a light, questionable one. None of my rifles are super-light and they have been over many mountain miles.

We have several kimbers and others similar in weight with nxs compacts 42 & 32mm along with 3-9 SWFA’s. They are fine to use and we like them quite well. They seem to handle better in the field than online.

I have a few Meoptas, but those Optikas are too ugly for my liking (I admit it, I may be accused of being a form over function guy. I prefer both).

Same optics as the Meostar but an open bridge design binocular

I was wondering last night why they wouldn't call them MeoStar air vs MeoPro air? To avoid cutting into MeoStar sales I guess? The problem for them I think will be similar weights vs the what I assume will be much cheaper MeoPro HD's.

Disappointed to see 29 ounce weight of the "Airs".

Where did you see that?

https://gatdaily.com/meopta-usa-sport-optics-introduces-meopro-air-binoculars/

[img]https://www.birdforum.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=715254&d=1579347325[/img]

Looks like meopro not meostar glass as well

So they cut a whole 2.7 oz off the MeoStar B1 and called it Air? Yikes

That can't be right...

MeoPro HD 10x42 - 24.3 oz
MeoPro "Air" - 29 oz

??

I was sure the other day when I looked at a link that it showed them at 23 or 24....can't recall exactly.

Now all I can find is the 29 oz....musta been dreaming I guess......

This thread sounded special.......nothing earth shattering here

MeoStar 10x42.........31.7

MeoPro 10x42..........24.3

MeoPro Air 10x42....29.0


Something's kinda' confusing............

They are priced like MeoStars though.

Here's a place you can get a better look at the specs

https://www.shootingwire.com/releases/23b3abd9-c8d0-4d73-a199-f011fa4ead52

If you want an exposed elevation just look at the Optika6 line. Great features and glass to go with a 30mm tube. Very impressive.

https://www.meoptasportsoptics.com/us/rada/optika6-13153-2/

If truly as stated, the 22mm of eye relief in the MeoPro Air 8x42 is pretty impressive.
That should make wearers of eyeglasses ecstatic.

So are these the optical equal of Meostar HD's?

No, Air refers to the Open Bridge design and it is Meostar optics not Meopro

Doug, thanks for the clarification

The Swarovski EL's are 6.3"x5.2"x 29.5 ozs. The Meopta Air's are 6"x5"x29 ozs. They are almost a clone in size to the Swaro.

I think the Meostar HD's are the best deal going at the $1000 price point. If Meopta streamlined the Meostars and lightened them up a bit with the Air's, and they are of equal optical quality as the Meostar's, then they are even more so a best buy at the $1000 price point.

But if they are Meostar glass why name them Meopro Air and confuse the crap out of everyone?

It remains doubtful that they are "-star" level glass. Most likely they are "-pro" level glass only in a lighter build package.

Bad naming but a good upgrade. These should be a great bino as the weight was a common complaint with the Meostar. 29oz is allot more inline with most of the premium 42mm. This is directly from an email I sent to Meopta and is echos what Doug has been saying:


They are MeoStar quality glass. The Air is the first of an improvement / expansion of our binocular lines that will be phased in over the next couple of years. They should be available around summer of this year

+1

EXACTLY what I asked, however, I didn't get an answer that made sense

Doug, have you confirmed the weight yet?

The only correct way, in my world, to confirm the weight is to put one on a scale which I cannot do until they release them and I have one

Will Meopta discontinue or drop price on the MEOPRO scopes or original MEOSTAR HD once the newer lines start coming in or will they remain the same?

We are already running sales on Meopro riflescopes. What are you looking for?

I was thinking about MEOPRO 3-9x40 Z-PLEX or #4.

August is the projected delivery date of the Optika5 scopes and Air bino. The pricing just came out for the Optika5 and it is below. I will be getting my hands on 1 or 2 scopes beforehand and let you know my impressions. I plan on using hunting rifles for any Optika5 scopes I receive.

Perhaps it's just me - maybe even an optical illusion but might the bulbous power ring (on the Optika5) present some added challenges for folks wanting the scope as low as possible in more traditional rings/bases (Talley LW or DD)?

It doesn't present any issues in the Optika6 so I don't see any issues with the Optika5. I will definitely let you know though.

bman you know the weight yet?

VERY much a concern. Receiver type,shifter type/length being factors to be aware of,along with barrel contour,so you can look before you leap. Hint.

Meopta also struggles HORRIBLY with reticles and are seemingly content,to "offer" a buncha' exceedingly fhuqking STUPID schit,that is Hilarious as a "best" case example. No rhyme/no reason and glaring FFP failures abound. Hint.

They can't even elicit anything nearing (1) Mil of erector correction,for every (1) ounce of weight. In fairness,Irrumination ain't hard,for the most part. The lack of a lineal ele scale on erector housing,is glaring too. Nothing to swoon in the "Glass" Department either. VERY obviously,noone there shoots,even a smidge. Rather hilarious,that the Rimfire slated version has fixed parallax to boot and no Illumination. Hint.

All of which applies to "Hunting" and ALL other rifles. Hint.

Bless their hearts for trying though.

Hint.

LAUGHING!..................

Thank you for your insightful post as usual.

bma'm,

Somebody on this Thread is guessing and it SURE as fhuqk ain't me. Unless you are straight up a Lying Piece Of Schit? Hint. Congratulations?!?



I cited VERY plainly,the glaring issues commensurate and I hope you are even more fhuqking STUPID than I suspect(believe me,I'm weighing it HEAVILY in your "favor") and can conjure enough Imagination and Pretend to find me "mistaken". I ASSURE you,the feeble fhuqking attempt,will be HILARIOUS! Hint. Laughing!

Now THE glaring constant with Optics Manufacturers,is the MAGNIFICENT disconnect betwixt Bean Counters and folks who actually fhuqking shoot. Often in the middle are "anointed" CLUELESS Fhuqks,that parade as Mall Ninjas and feign having the very FIRST of fhuqking clues. Read that again. Now one more time slooowwwllyyyyyyyyy. HINT.

1000 words,as per the Junktika 6. Hint.



1000 more in extrapolation,ala Illuminatti. Hint.



1000 words on the correlation of same and the fhuqking IMPOSSIBILITY of mounting same,despite your version(s) of "knowledge","experience" and "results". Hint. LAUGHING!



I'll not enter into the discussion that Burris Signature "low" DD's in 30mm,aren't near as low as the Reupold static version of same. Feel free to ask how I fhuqking KNOW. Ooopsie!! Hint. Laughing!

Feel free to pass this Thread along to Meopta and mention how you are doing a "great" job! Look before you leap,because there are folks in this World who actually shoot,while you "get" to read about it,look at the pics and practice your GoogleFu. Hint.

Bless your heart for fhuqking trying though and I enjoy that Stupidity is no "act" for you.

Hint.

LAUGHING!..................



(P.S. and by the way...1" glass mounts lower than 30mm)

HINT

I wonder why no illumination option on the 2-10 and 3-15 scopes? The Z Plus RD reticle in a 2-10 scope would be a great option.

Tranny,

Because a Window Licking CLUELESS Fhuqk,deemed it so and perpetuates Meopta Retardation. Hint. Congratulations?!?

The "specs" are fhuqking HILARIOUS! Hint.



Order a plastic Rape Whistle and you can join their "Team". Hint. LAUGHING!

EPIC DUMB Fhuqktitude. Hint.

Bless their hearts.

Hint.

LAUGHING!............

Well Stick, given the Meopta price point what would you recommend?? Is there a PERFECT scope? I have not found one yet. Only one that was pretty close was a Kahles 2-7 on my 9.3X62. Worked well on that one but had it limitations.

A 6x Fixed Fhuqker crushes it. Hint. Congratulations?!?

Though of course it will weigh less,cost less,mount lower and do wayyyyyyyyy more...if only for starters. Hint.

Now as per Meopta's Fhuqktards and the fact that all Optika 5's are SFP,is the center dot subtension 1.5 MOA or 3 MOA? Secondly,at which magnification is the scale as "represented"? I get it,that ALL is over your pointy head. Hint. LAUGHING!

Read that again. Now one more time verrrryyyyyy slooooowwwlllyyyyyyyyyy. HINT.

Bless your heart.

Hint.

LAUGHING!...................

A 6 fixed would perhaps work, and be lighter. In the close I woods where I often hunt the lower MAG is required for my old eyes. Then there are the "Gas Line" shots hunting with the SIL. Perhaps not enough. Picking a scope can be an adventure.

Nothing "adventurous" to it,other than very few folks have ever seen/used a scope that actually fhuqking works and which is why Meopta can sweep the floor and box up schit for the masses...then they'll swoon the notion. Hint. Congratulations?!?

As cited prior,if Meopta had HALF a fhuqking clue,they'd of illuminated the lesser magnifications,instead of the DUMBEST fhuqking one. Hint.

A simplistic 6x Fixed Fhuqker MQ reticle,will connect more dots by default,due the lineal static scale upon the windshield,copious erector mechanics and bulletproof parcel as a whole. Hint.

Folks that do not begin to have a FIRST Fhuqking Clue about what a riflescope does,had best not be "designing" them or "extolling" them,if only obviously. Not to slight the EPIC humor of said "efforts". Hint. LAUGHING!

Bless their hearts for trying.

Hint.

Laughing!................

That 2-10 looks appealing.



Stick,

GFY

One of the scopes I have found to be a really good one is the older Zeiss Conquest. Made by Meopta. I do not think the are clueless. Perhaps they have lost their way on some of the newer offerings.

alwaysindoors,

VERY good call to refrain ALL rifle particulars and go right to Whining...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?

Like YOU could "afford" a scope!?! Hint. LAUGHING!

Bless your heart for crying.

Hint.

LAUGHING!.................




'jrd,

The Zeiss Conquest was/is a steaming pile of fhuqking schit,from inception. Hint. Congratulations?!?

Noone that shoots even a "smidge",has ever seen one retain zero,track or repeat. Hint.



I KNOW they are fhuqking CLUELESS,but I shoot just a "smidge". Hint. LAUGHING!

In fairness however...Zeiss do make some rather nice Observation Optics and Camera Lenses. Hint.



Bless your heart for trying though.

Hint.

LAUGHING!................

Funny, I have had many, never had an issue with tracking, zero hold, or anything else. Perhaps I was just a lucky dumb Fuqek.. Then again I sure you would know...............

'cried,

DO tell,how you make such "determinations",given your INCREDIBLE lack of "knowledge","experience" or "results". Hint. Congratulations?!?

Cite the particulars of "all" of these "exemplary" scopes and the platforms in which they set astride,as per your Imagination and Pretend. Mainly because it will be FUNNIER than fhuqk. Hint. LAUGHING!

The only things you "shoot" are your mouth and Imagination and I find it rather fhuqking HILARIOUS,that you wish to quantify obliviously,that you are an utterly CLUELESS Fhuqk and AMAZINGLY sloowwwwww "learner",by simply doing your best. Hint.

Might I suggest that instead of attempting rifle particulars,that you instead reiterate that Imitation is THE most Sincere form of Flattery? Oooopsie!...to fhuqking late. Hint. LAUGHING!

Bless your heart for crying.

Hint.

LAUGHING!.............

The reply I was expecting, no info worth the time to read it. then again I have yet to paint a rifle............. Sauer's, Tikka's, Sako's Pre-64 Winchesters, Mauser's and several I have forgotten. Nope none of them were worth Sh*t. For some unknown reason there was always meat in the freezer.

'cried,

It's your Imagination,simply Pretend with it as you MUST...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?

I've never even heard of ANY of those things. Hint. LAUGHING!

Very GOOD call to refrain ALL "particulars",as retreat was the only "move" you've got,given your Dumbfhuqktitude,"knowledge","experience" and "results". Hint.

I've shot more platforms in a day,than you have in your "Life" and I very much enjoy,that your Stupidity is no fhuqking "act". Hint. LAUGHING!

You CLUELESS Droolers are a hoot!

Bless your heart for crying.

Hint.

Laughing!...........

Well, that saved me a few bucks. SS for the win.

It did get purty quiet.(grin)

Now that you mention it,I think I'll toss one of them SS's in the crummy this morning and see what they're all about.

Wait...there's already a "few" in there!

Laughing!..................



As an aside,why is it that these "Scope Rep's" are THE Dumbest Of Fhuqks?!? The Tract IDIOT was a fhuqking hoot too! The Burris Bitch a Retard and the Nikon Puke as dumb as they get. Reupold's took the cake!

VERY "surprising",that none of the good stuff has a "Rep" honking her Rape Whistle and sticking feet in her mouth.

FUNNY schit!

Those weights and objective diameters, along with no low mounting make these scopes an easy hard pass. A 12 oz 6 or 2-7 x36 with a #4 reticle would be outstanding

I'll be buying one. Anyone who bashes Meopta like Big Stick has nothing better to do with their pitiful life.


Happy Trails


Bob

'tail,

It's an easy pass,for alotta mechanical reasons,none of which is subjective.

Hint.............







bma'm,

So 42mm IS a lesser diameter than 50mm? THANKS for that "clarification",you Amazingly INEPT Fhuqking Retard. Hint. Congratulations?!? LAUGHING!

Now here's a "tidbit",that will only come as a "SURPRISE" to someone as fhuqking STUPID as you. The Reupold 3.5-10x 40mm's objective,is actually smaller than 42mm! What were the "odds"?!? Hint. LAUGHING!

Brace yourself,here comes another "tidbit",that will only come as a "SURPRISE" to someone as fhuqking STUPID as you. It ain't the objective end,that's the issue on 42mm glass,it's the ocular there DUMB Fhuqk. A 3.5-10x's Ocular is 1.550" and feel free to ask me,how I fhuqking KNOW. Go ahead and place a percentage upon that. Hint. LAUGHING!

Give your Rape Whistle another Toot their Toots,because you are doing fhuqking "GREAT". Hint. Laughing!

Due ocular diameter and bolt handle clearance(as CLEARLY fhuqking cited prior),the Junktika will not mount on 4 of the 5 platforms in this frame alone. Go ahead and note the 42mm objectives,while you are at it. Hint. LAUGHING!



1000 more words,for your STUPIDITY and note,that this ain't the objective! HINT. LAUGHING!



What dumpster did Meopta scoop your HILARIOUSLY Bumbling Dumbfhuqktitude out of? Grab some more slack on the rope and "tell" me "more". Hint.

Bless your Retardation,you are indeed "special" and I'm VERY fhuqking "surprised",that you haven't mentioned I'm "mistaken"!!! You can almost talk about the right end of the scope. ALMOST.

Hint.

LAUGHING!...............





Boob,

I simply shoot the piece of fhuqking schit. Hint. Congratulations?!?



Holster your VERY Tender Feelers,take notes,apply same and thank me later. Or make a "stand",you Whining Melting CLUELESS Fhuqking Snowflake. Hint. LAUGHING!!!!

Bless your heart for Crying.

Hint.

LAUGHING!...............






Yet another "SURPRISE",by the "Scope Rep",because she don't like the heat in the kitchen and is busy trying to erase her footsteps(only move she has). Delete is as fhuqking funny,as the Initial Retardation. I stated PLAINLY,to "look before you leap",because some folks actually shoot,while you "get" to read about it. HINT.

If only in the interest of context. Hint.

LAUGHING!..............

I totally agree. The early article that I read about the "soon to be released Optica 5's said the weights were MUCH lighter. I figured it was too good to be true. I'll pass. RJ

Doug scooped the weights back in January, in this thread. And I’m with you ...

Got purty quiet. Hint.

LAUGHING!..............

A 20oz 2-10 is just not feasible.

Bummer.

Really? Do you really think that the extra 2 oz/1/8th of a pound of the Optika5 2-10 is going to be that different than a scope that comes in at 18 oz?

You can always buy a “light” scope that won’t track and return to zero. It’s your money.

I just got my hands on the Optika5 4-20x50 and mounted it on my Remington 700 AAC .308. Very impressed with the clarity and plenty of room to cycle the bolt past the power ring. I'll have the rifle to the range and out hunting pigs this weekend.

How much adjustment in the windage and elevation?

60 MOA of adjustment in elevation and windage.

I agree.

Who is this DOUCHE Bag ?! Why is he relevant?


Bob

I look forward to your test report. I am eyeing one of these for my .280AI.

Who is that face behind the horse tail? Sure has a lot of opinionsthat he/she/? holds very highly.

I got all excited about the 3-15x44 and then they put that huge ass power adjustment ring on it and killed my buzz.

If you look at the photo of my Rem. 700, it shows the bolt up and plenty of room to cycle the action. Zero issues at all, but to each their own.

I'd like a side view to evaluate mounting height.

Me too. 😊

I’m having a hard time imagining a set of priorities that would inspire the Optika 5 line’s design, both functionally and aesthetically.

Given that they’re built on 1” tubes, they’re relatively massive scopes. They’re only available with MOA turrets and reticles and they’ve been embellished with coarsely crenellated operating surfaces. At first glance, it appears as though Meopta took tubes from their legacy Meopro line and replaced the 3x guts with 5x guts, increased erector travel, and emboldened externally rotating components. Maybe it’s just the iterative evolution of the Meopro line?

Alternatively, one might wonder if the Optika 5 line isn’t a better caricature of what Meopta’s development team thinks of North American sportsman than it is a response to earnest demand in the marketplace. Ultimately, I don’t really get it.

Then again, if they’re bomb proof, weight and appearance may not matter much. The Meopro Optika 5 line is certainly in a category unto themselves.