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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. intelligence has concluded that the Russian military offered bounties to Taliban-linked militants in Afghanistan to kill American troops and other coalition forces, the New York Times reported on Friday, citing officials briefed on the matter.

A Russian military intelligence unit linked to assassination attempts in Europe had offered rewards for successful attacks last year, according to the newspaper. It said Islamist militants, or armed criminal elements closely associated with them, are believed to have collected some bounty money.

“This primitive informational dump clearly demonstrates low intellectual abilities of the propagandists at the American intelligence service,” Russia’s foreign ministry said in a statement cited by the RIA news agency.


The White House, the CIA and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence declined requests from Reuters for comment on the newspaper report.

President Donald Trump has been briefed on the intelligence finding, the Times said. The White House has yet to authorize any steps against Russia in response to the bounties, it added.

Of the 20 Americans killed in combat in 2019, the Times said, it was not clear which deaths were under suspicion.

After nearly 20 years of fighting the Taliban, the U.S. is looking for a way to extricate itself from Afghanistan and to achieve peace between the U.S.-backed government and the militant group, which controls swathes of the country.

On Feb. 29, the U.S. and the Taliban struck a deal that called for a phased withdrawal of American troops.

U.S. troop strength in Afghanistan is down to nearly 8,600, well ahead of a schedule agreed with the Taliban, in part because of concerns about the spread of coronavirus, U.S. and NATO officials said in late May.
Russians are just returning the favor.
Yep, we backed the Mujahideen against the Russians. I’m sure they didn’t care for the money and weapons we furnished the Afghans. We might have been better off to have minded our own business.
Well.....Lets go to war then.
I wouldn't be quoting anything from the New Yawk Slimes if I want to have any credibility. OTOH, if they really wanted to do us a favor, they'd put bounties out on the heads of every editor and editorial board member of every leftist rag in the country. They can call it an "Honesty in Journalism" initiative.


Originally Posted by Starman
Russians are just returning the favor.



You apparently can't tell the difference between Russia and the Soviet Union.
Don't ya figure we've been trading covert killings for a long time now?
Originally Posted by Kodiakisland
Don't ya figure we've been trading covert killings for a long time now?


Absolutely! Russia got a black eye when our guys decimated their mercenaries in Syria iirc.....something like 5 to 1 and we still destroyed them. They’re looking for payback.
But................I thought the general consensus on the Campfire was that Russia and Putin were our friends.
Their lying!
This was leaked information. Why are no reporters or their sources ever arrested for leaking classified info? According to the former DNI Trump had not even been briefed on this info.
Why would any thinking individual read Investia on the Hudson, much less believe anything this propaganda rag publishes?
Wall Street Journal reporting the same story.
The most important part..........................."the New York Times reported"
Sounds like a made gotcha thing.
After a 20th Century interregnum The Great Game in Central Asia has picked up again with Russia playing the same part it did in the 19th Century and the US stepping into the shoes of Britain. The region has slid back into state of lawlessness similar to what it was then and lots of the issues seem to be faint reflections of happenings back then.

But in 1835 Lord Palmerston said the following about Afghanistan and Russia and it seems to be as accurate today as it was then:

Here we are, just as we were, snarling at each other, hating each other, but neither wishing for war. - Lord Palmerston (1835)[21]
Originally Posted by JoeBob
After a 20th Century interregnum The Great Game in Central Asia has picked up again with Russia playing the same part it did in the 19th Century and the US stepping into the shoes of Britain. The region has slid back into state of lawlessness similar to what it was then and lots of the issues seem to be faint reflections of happenings back then.

But in 1835 Lord Palmerston said the following about Afghanistan and Russia and it seems to be as accurate today as it was then:

Here we are, just as we were, snarling at each other, hating each other, but neither wishing for war. - Lord Palmerston (1835)[21]


Yah.
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The White House has denied that either Trump or Vice President Mike Pence were ever briefed on the alleged situation by US intelligence. Director of National Intelligence John Ratcliffe backed the denial and said the original story and “all other subsequent news reports about such an alleged briefing are inaccurate.”


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Sad state of affairs when Russia Today is more reliable than the New York Times.
Some of you dude have led sheltered lives if you think that this is anything new........... laugh
"the New York Times reported on Friday"

And you believe it? Reuters lies as much as the NYT.
Originally Posted by JamesJr
But................I thought the general consensus on the Campfire was that Russia and Putin were our friends.



??? Does it hurt when you try to think?


mike r
Originally Posted by NVhntr
Yep, we backed the Mujahideen against the Russians. I’m sure they didn’t care for the money and weapons we furnished the Afghans. We might have been better off to have minded our own business.


The current game being played goes a lot further back and is way more convoluted than that. The list of game board moves is, um..., lengthy.

And, arguably, began in Iran 1952/53. Korea, Indochina, Nicaragua, Cuba, Zaire, Angola, Chile, Paraguay, Peru,... ... ...

And it's been almost tit for tat in the mid-east and central Asia...
One of the more historically interesting moves in said game was the assassination of Anastasio Somoza, Asuncion, 1980. The U.S. and it's "friend for a day" foreign policy at it's best.

And a telling part of the Carter administration legacy...
And not to mention that the U.S. Air Force dropped the FFL into Kolwezi, Zaire 1978...
Originally Posted by johnw
... assassination of Anastasio Somoza, Asuncion, 1980. The U.S. and it's "friend for a day" foreign policy at it's best.
..


You don't think the Somoza Dynasty painted a target on
on its own back after assisting the US Bay of Pigs....

The Shan of Iran was another who created his own
problems through his delusions and sham reforms
and the tyranny the CIA and SAVAK unleashed on
the Iranian people.
All together such efforts didn't do much to keep the
Shah on good terms.


This whole thing is fake news.

Do you really think... you have to pay the Afghan Militants to kill Americans ? Really now....

That is what they are doing already.... They live for that [bleep]...

The source the NYT is quoting is " anonymous " it's fake news.
The U.S. and Russia have been clashing since WW2. Russia has been bitter about their mindless experience in Afghanistan that was a significant factor in the demise of the USSR. The USA provided support to the muj that tipped the scales and the russkis are happy to return the favor. We should have left that schidthole to the Afghans after leading the Northern Alliance in kicking the ass of the Taliban. Nation building in these cultures is not possible and we should restrict our military to punitive expeditions. Go in, achieve the objective that best serves us then let the indigs to build the life that suits them.


mike r
Originally Posted by lvmiker
Originally Posted by JamesJr
But................I thought the general consensus on the Campfire was that Russia and Putin were our friends.



??? Does it hurt when you try to think?


mike r


I think James was being sarcastic, and pointing out how dumb that sounds....
Why would this surprise anyone? True or not, it's what the Russians do.


I think you lot have missed the big picture here...the dems are just pissed at the Russians stealing their thunder, probably out-bid them.
Ever ponder what a darn shame Russia and even much of Africa are.

Russia in particular.
Loaded with natural resources,
Intelligent, reasonably educated people.
All the things that build a strong, successful economy and nation.
Hindered by corruption, and a culture of poverty.

Africa, well, they have resources and a lot of people, and again
success is stopped dead by corruption.

Then look at our country.
What happened here to change our ancestors from serf to independent men.
Was it the accumulation of adventurers that came here. The sudden unnatural
condensation of that spirit that led to independence and the desire for everyone
to be free?

I think too much, and ain't smart enough to answer the questions generated.
Well surprise, surprise, surprise..............................
The Department of National Intelligence doesn't know what the hell the Times is talking about.

https://twitter.com/ODNIgov/status/1277079117234651141

Believing ANYTHING coming from the main stream media is ignorant. ................Oh, and Fox is main stream.
Originally Posted by Dillonbuck
Ever ponder what a darn shame Russia and even much of Africa are.

Russia in particular.
Loaded with natural resources,
Intelligent, reasonably educated people.
All the things that build a strong, successful economy and nation.
Hindered by corruption, and a culture of poverty.

Africa, well, they have resources and a lot of people, and again
success is stopped dead by corruption.

Then look at our country.
What happened here to change our ancestors from serf to independent men.
Was it the accumulation of adventurers that came here. The sudden unnatural
condensation of that spirit that led to independence and the desire for everyone
to be free?

I think too much, and ain't smart enough to answer the questions generated.




I've heard it posited that the problem with Russians is that they prefer to be ruled. Beyond a certain amount of personal freedom, they want their decisions made for them by chiefs or czars.

They also have a massive inferiority complex, which makes them pugnacious when it comes to other countries. They don't get no respec'!!
You guys crack me up.

4 pages of posts about Trump vs Russian because of a just another NYT Fake News story.

When are you going to learn that everything, every article, every word that comes from the NYT as far as Trump is concerned, is fake.

Military funding against Russia / America in Afghanistan... well that’s new (NOT)...

New’s people have the shortest term memory (purposefully).... I have ever seen these days.
Here is a simple and 100% accurate overview. 2 tidbits of truth you can believe more then believing tomorrow the sun will come up on the eastern horizon.

First: Communists lie! They need to lie because history, math, facts and truth do not favor their agenda, so lying is all they have to drum up support.

Second: The New York Times is to the left of Pravda and will lie even more then the Russian "news".

Would the Russian pay anyone to kill American military personnel? Yes, but ONLY at a time and for a reason that would benefit them, and I am doubtful they dislike Americans more then Afghans. Right now is probably not such a time.

Would the New York Times lie? Yup.......Close to 100% and about everything, with the regularity of the sunrise. Trying to gain support for any communist leaning policy they can at all times. And if they can convince readers the Russians are trying to get more Americans killed in Afghanistan they will then tell them all it's somehow Trump's fault. Think that's a stretch? Watch and see.

The NYT will tell you that you need to feel guilty for being white, being educated, being Christian, being wealthy, not being queer, not giving superior rights to blacks, homosexuals, women and invaders, and not paying the Democrats enough to cool down the sun's effects in warming the planet. Not believing the Communist party line ...??? well that kind of thinking will kill everyone on earth....just like the Covid 19 will do, and nuclear war, and AIDS, and driving SUVs ,and the ownership of guns, and believing in personal responsibility----- and that free speech should only be as free as a Democrat says, at the time they say so, and disagreeing with the Dem/Comms is a crime that needs to be punished harshly. None of that is exaggerated either.

Only a super fool (far more foolish then a "regular fool") with NO understanding of any history, (especially the history of communism and the Democrat party) would believe them about anything.

But unfortunately there is no shortage of super-fools in the USA with a lot of them being in NY and other communist strongholds. If they were not fools they would not have given up their freedoms and demanded government rule over them.

Think that's harsh?

Well remember AOC won an election in N.Y and Schumer has many, many times, which means there are only 2 possibilities.

Lets look at AOC and think for just a minute.

She won! So the 2 possibilities are:
#1 ---She was smarter than those she convinced to vote for her (and she is legendary for her stupid comments and beliefs).. Who is the bigger fool? The fool or those that would follow and obey a fool?

Or #2 ----She "won" by the very typical vote fraud so commonly used by the Dem,/Comms, and that means the voters there were fooled by her and her communist party OR that they really know it was fraud and don't care enough to do something about it.

The second possibility if FAR worse then the 1st one. Foolishness mixed with apathy and/or cowardice is FAR worse then simple foolishness. Hence >>>>"Super-fools"


But to finish up ----------- just remember the NYT loves to sing the praise of AOC and her "vision" to their readers.

Getting truth from the NYT is about as likely as getting good healthy food from septic tank, and even more toxic.

Anyone here on the 24 H CF.foolish enough to think the New York Times is a source of truth?

(yeah....................I know, there actually are at least a few )
Take time to watch Charlie Wilson’s war. Story how US supplied weapons to fight Russians.
Hasbeen



Fake News.
Im sure the NYT will soon say that Trump was involved.
Originally Posted by szihn


Would the Russian pay anyone to kill American military personnel? Yes, but ONLY at a time and for a reason that would benefit them, and I am doubtful they dislike Americans more then Afghans. Right now is probably not such a time.


With constant proxy wars and sinister game
playing , Can you eleborate on why now is not
such a time?

Try and keep it short sweet and rational rather
than going off into another rant.

After killing Afghans for a decade,who in their right mind would believe the Afghans would ever negotiate with the Ruskies?


FAKE NEWS!
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...9a701dc_story.html?utm_source=reddit.com

Russian bounties offered to Taliban-linked militants to kill coalition forces in Afghanistan are believed to have resulted in the deaths of several U.S. service members, according to intelligence gleaned from U.S. military interrogations of captured militants in recent months.

Several people familiar with the matter said it was unclear exactly how many Americans or coalition troops from other countries may have been killed or targeted under the program. U.S. forces in Afghanistan suffered a total of 10 deaths from hostile gunfire or improvised bombs in 2018, and 16 in 2019. Two have been killed this year. In each of those years, several service members were also killed by what are known as “green on blue” hostile incidents by members of Afghan security forces, which are sometimes believed to have been infiltrated by the Taliban.

The intelligence was passed up from the U.S. Special Operations forces based in Afghanistan and led to a restricted high-level White House meeting in late March, the people said.

The meeting led to broader discussions about possible responses to the Russian action, ranging from diplomatic expressions of disapproval and warnings, to sanctions, according to two of the people. These people and others who discussed the matter spoke on the condition of anonymity because of its sensitivity.

The disturbing intelligence — which the CIA was tasked with reviewing, and later confirmed — generated disagreement about the appropriate path forward, a senior U.S. official said. The administration’s special envoy for Afghanistan, Zalmay Khalilzad, preferred confronting the Russians directly about the matter, while some National Security Council officials in charge of Russia were more dismissive of taking immediate action, the official said.

It remained unclear where those discussions have led to date. Verifying such intelligence is a process that can take weeks, typically involving the CIA and the National Security Agency, which captures foreign cellphone and radio communications. Final drafting of any policy options in response would be the responsibility of national security adviser Robert C. O’Brien.

Pelosi and Bolton expressed concern on June 28 about reports that President Trump was briefed on a Russia effort to target U.S. forces in Afghanistan. (Meg Kelly/The Washington Post)
The CIA assessment took some time, and coincided with the scaling back and slowing down of a number of government functions as the coronavirus pandemic began to take hold, two people said.

Asked to comment, John Ullyot, an NSC spokesman, said that “the veracity of the underlying allegations continue to be evaluated.” The CIA and the Defense and State departments declined to comment.

Russia and the Taliban have denied the existence of the program.

Among the coalition of NATO forces in Afghanistan, the British were briefed late last week on the intelligence assessment, although other alliance governments were not formally informed. The New York Times first reported the existence of the bounty program on Friday evening.

But as more details have unfolded, the primary controversy in Washington over the weekend revolved around denials by President Trump and his aides that the president was ever briefed on the intelligence.

Trump on Sunday confirmed statements by Director of National Intelligence John Ratcliffe and the White House press secretary that he received no briefing on the subject, and he referred in tweets to “so-called reports” by “Fake News.”

“Nobody briefed or told me, [Vice President] Pence or Chief of Staff [Mark Meadows] about the so-called attacks on our troops in Afghanistan by Russians, as reported through an ‘anonymous source’ by the Fake News . . . Everybody is denying it & there have not been many attacks on us,” Trump said on Twitter, insisting that “nobody’s been tougher on Russia than the Trump administration.”

But his Twitter remarks did little to clarify whether the administration was denying that the assessment existed, or simply denying that Trump knew anything about it. Richard Grenell, who served as acting director of national intelligence until last month, tweeted that “I never heard this. And it’s disgusting how you continue to politicize intelligence.”

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) on Sunday joined other lawmakers — including leading Republicans — in expressing concern and calling for the administration to provide Congress with an explanation.

“This is as bad as it gets, and yet the president will not confront the Russians on this score, denies being briefed,” Pelosi said on ABC News’s “This Week.”

“But he wants to ignore,” she said, “he wants to bring them back to the G-8 despite the annexation of Crimea and invasion of Ukraine, despite what they yielded to [Putin] in Syria, despite [Russian President Vladimir Putin’s] intervention into our election, which is well documented by our intelligence community, and despite now possibly this allegation, which we should have been briefed on.”

Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.), a Trump ally who golfed with the president Sunday, earlier tweeted that “I expect the Trump Administration to take such allegations seriously and inform Congress immediately as to the reliability of these news reports.”

In a second tweet, Graham said it was “Imperative Congress get to the bottom” of the Russian offer “to pay the Taliban to kill American soldiers with the goal of pushing America out of the region.”

Rep. Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.), the third-highest-ranking member of the House GOP leadership, also took to Twitter on Sunday to say that if the report of Russian bounties “is true, the White House must explain” why the president wasn’t briefed, who did know and when, and “what has been done in response to protect our forces & hold Putin responsible.”

A third person familiar with the issue said that “I don’t think that anybody withheld anything and screwed up by not getting to the president on time.” Until “you were absolutely sure of the intelligence and the NSC had drawn up policy options, you weren’t going to walk into the Oval Office,” the person said.

So the issue is not when the president was briefed, the person said, but rather, “now that you are aware of it, what are you going to do about it? That’s where the focus should be.”

In years past, there were persistent reports that Russia was supplying small arms to the Taliban. Carter Malkasian, who served as a senior adviser to the previous chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Gen. Joseph F. Dunford Jr., said Russia had cultivated a relationship with certain Taliban elements, largely in northern Afghanistan, beginning around 2015. The outreach was partly as a response to Moscow’s concerns about the threat posed by Islamic State militants in the region, and also out of a desire to see U.S. troops leave the region.

But more recently, U.S. officials said that Russia — which tried and failed to start its own Afghan peace process — has been cooperative and helpful since the Taliban signed a peace deal, including a plan for U.S. withdrawal, with the administration early this year.

Malkasian, now a scholar at CNA, said the bounty operation, if true, could be a “random” initiative, rather than one that reflected a well-coordinated program ordered by the highest levels of the government.

He said that a primary Russian goal in Afghanistan continues to be the exit of American forces, but not at any cost.

“They may want us out, and they may be happy to see a few Americans die,” he said, “but I don’t think they want to see the Taliban take over.”
Originally Posted by Starman
Originally Posted by johnw
... assassination of Anastasio Somoza, Asuncion, 1980. The U.S. and it's "friend for a day" foreign policy at it's best.
..


You don't think the Somoza Dynasty painted a target on
on its own back after assisting the US Bay of Pigs....

The Shan of Iran was another who created his own
problems through his delusions and sham reforms
and the tyranny the CIA and SAVAK unleashed on
the Iranian people.
All together such efforts didn't do much to keep the
Shah on good terms.




Somoza was a graduate of West Point, and a staunch western ally. He undoubtedly ran rough over his own country, but he did so with the full support of U.S. foreign policy. And with the backing of many of our "instruments of foreign policy". His family supported the founding of the State of Israel, and when the Sandinista's threatened to overthrow Somoza's government the Israeli's responded by sending arms to Somoza for defense.

The Carter administration blocked transit of the final ship carrying the Israeli arms, which precipitated the fall of the Somoza regime. When Somoza fled Nicaragua, he flew to the U.S., but the Carter administration denied his entry. He then fled to Paraguay, where he was assassinated in 1980.

Somoza was in no wise a good guy. Never a just man, or ruler. He was about as corrupt as they come. But he was corrupt before we groomed him as an asset and used him. We groomed and facilitated his corruption for our own purposes. He was our "friend" until he wasn't.

And in a like manor we supplied and funded the mujaheddin in the mid 1980s. They weren't a great bunch of guys then. Not a great bunch of guys now. But we were their biggest and best supporter until one meeting between the U.S, and The USSR, and one letter of understanding cut that support off at the knees. They were our "friends" til they weren't.

As for the Shah, we put him into power in 1953. We clandestinely destroyed Mossadegh's legitimate govt and installed the Shah. Who, and you guessed it, was our friend until he wasn't.

And in a bit different manor;

Zaire in the 1970s was a major strategic supplier of copper and chromium. And the U.S., in support, supplied scientific and technical support that was denied to the entire continent of Africa by U.S. policy at that time
The U.S. also spent a lot of resources trying to prove Cuban(Russian) involvement in a lot of the unrest in Western Africa. The Cubans in turn spent huge Soviet resources to embarrass the U.S. by documenting their policy violations in Zaire.
When the FFL jumped into Kolwezi, supported by the US, it was heralded as a rescue and relief effort. The biggest relief was felt by those who had violated US policy to facilitate US dominance.


Why always with the lies? And Russia?

If they did, they did! How is that Trumps fault? And how is it any worse than the Chineese releasing the Wuh Flu on the world, or hillary selling our uranium to the Russians, or Biden getting his kid a megabuck job with the Ukraine?

NYT, dems, rinos, antifa, blm, commies. All totally worthless.
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