So you want us to all just sit down and watch a 30 min video?
The video is good. I was going to post it but someone beat me to it. Good info on covid19 cures.
I dont want you to do anything, C. I dont care if you breathe. Of course, folks who post should consult you re your preferences. 
Hey, 30 minutes is just too much compared to the minimal disruption C-19 has caused our country, isnt it?
Hey, 30 minutes is just too much compared to the minimal disruption C-19 has caused our country, isnt it?
Good information Doc. Thanks for sharing, this could save many lives and give many hope! GB!
I was able to watch about half. Will finish it later. Sounds promising and makes sense that there are anti-viral & anti-inflammatory treatments that limit the impact of the virus on a patient.
Why this and the impact of the hydroxychloroquine cocktail are met with such skepticism in the media rather than with excitement confirms that media will go so far as letting citizens suffer and die if it can be leveraged against Trump.
Stay frosty out there.
Why this and the impact of the hydroxychloroquine cocktail are met with such skepticism in the media rather than with excitement confirms that media will go so far as letting citizens suffer and die if it can be leveraged against Trump.
Stay frosty out there.
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Thanks for sharing. I listened to it while I worked. It sounds very promising. It is telling how the media downplays or catastrophizes any positive news or treatment on covid. They want the negative news and impact to keep going.
Originally Posted by Partagas
Thanks for sharing. I listened to it while I worked. It sounds very promising. It is telling how the media downplays or catastrophizes any positive news or treatment on covid. They want the negative news and impact to keep going.
Damn straight.
MSM should call it a HOAX like trump.
MSM should say its 99.9% harmless like trump.
MSM should talk about anything else like trump.
This is not how medical research works. One guy who claims amazing results should be met with skepticism until the data can interpreted, analyzed and REPEATED. These docs selling their magic treatments are snake oil salesmen.
The president has no medical background and has no place touting wonder-drugs that havent been fully studied.
It's downright idiotic of him to do so. Hydroxychloroquine didn't stand up to scrutiny. It doesn't stop covid, and now he's lost a degree of credibility in the public eye that he never had to wager at all.
The president has no medical background and has no place touting wonder-drugs that havent been fully studied.
It's downright idiotic of him to do so. Hydroxychloroquine didn't stand up to scrutiny. It doesn't stop covid, and now he's lost a degree of credibility in the public eye that he never had to wager at all.
MSM says Fauci is right.
MSM says we are going to die without a Fauci vaccine. They dont report hes been working on one for AIDS for 40 years.
MSM says we have to vote by ballot and cant go to church or school or ball games or Trump rallies, but it's ok to riot and tear stuff up.
It's so funny seeing you in the mud puddle of your brain, trying to punch your way out of a wet paper sack.
No one has proved you are stupid and a liar except you. You made yourself a laughingstock.
Surely you are a disingenuous commie paid Soros plant, pushing the dimocommie agenda rather than as stupid as you act like you are.
MSM says we are going to die without a Fauci vaccine. They dont report hes been working on one for AIDS for 40 years.
MSM says we have to vote by ballot and cant go to church or school or ball games or Trump rallies, but it's ok to riot and tear stuff up.
It's so funny seeing you in the mud puddle of your brain, trying to punch your way out of a wet paper sack.
No one has proved you are stupid and a liar except you. You made yourself a laughingstock.
Surely you are a disingenuous commie paid Soros plant, pushing the dimocommie agenda rather than as stupid as you act like you are.
Originally Posted by MTDan
This is not how medical research works. One guy who claims amazing results should be met with skepticism until the data can interpreted, analyzed and REPEATED. These docs selling their magic treatments are snake oil salesmen.
The president has no medical background and has no place touting wonder-drugs that havent been fully studied.
It's downright idiotic of him to do so. Hydroxychloroquine didn't stand up to scrutiny. It doesn't stop covid, and now he's lost a degree of credibility in the public eye that he never had to wager at all.
The president has no medical background and has no place touting wonder-drugs that havent been fully studied.
It's downright idiotic of him to do so. Hydroxychloroquine didn't stand up to scrutiny. It doesn't stop covid, and now he's lost a degree of credibility in the public eye that he never had to wager at all.
How many sick people have you treated and saved?
You dumbasses would sit by for 2-3 years and let millions die by your plan.
Do no harm? Budesonide is approved for premies.
Name ANY treatment that has passed double blind studies. Better yet, volunteer yourself for the no treatment group to be used in one.
Sigh.... I wish I was a Soros plant. I hear he pays well. Instead I'm just a physician who has gotten tired of all this conspiracy theory garbage and pseudo-medical misinformation.
At this point, you're implying that all science is a conspiracy against trump. Let's try using Akums razer, which is more likely: 1. A global kabal has such a stranglehold on mainstream science that virtually every researcher and physician is in on their diabolical plan... or 2. The research doesn't support what the president says, a few docs want to make a quick buck, snd the president can't keep his foot our of his mouth.
At this point, you're implying that all science is a conspiracy against trump. Let's try using Akums razer, which is more likely: 1. A global kabal has such a stranglehold on mainstream science that virtually every researcher and physician is in on their diabolical plan... or 2. The research doesn't support what the president says, a few docs want to make a quick buck, snd the president can't keep his foot our of his mouth.
MTDan is behind the times on the efficacy of Hydrochloroquine. Thousands of hospital staff are reportedly taking it with no ill side effects. The Detroit studies are showing plenty of evidence of its effectiveness if given early. The Budesonide treatment touted in the video shows promise. If Dr. Falsi says it, you can rest assured it is wrong. That guy has no credibility and would already be retired if it was not an election year.
Suck this you two dumbasses.
Remember, you can keep your Dr.
I have personally probably saved about 80 eyes of people with bacterial corneal infections using meds not cleared for such treatment and it's probably done several hundred times a day in the USA by other doctors because of the screwed up FDA.
Remember, you can keep your Dr.
I have personally probably saved about 80 eyes of people with bacterial corneal infections using meds not cleared for such treatment and it's probably done several hundred times a day in the USA by other doctors because of the screwed up FDA.
It makes perfect sense. I remember hearing, very early on, doctors saying that asthma inhalers dramatically reduce the symptoms of severe cases, but then you quickly stopped hearing anything about it.
Originally Posted by slowmover12
MTDan is behind the times on the efficacy of Hydrochloroquine. Thousands of hospital staff are reportedly taking it with no ill side effects. The Detroit studies are showing plenty of evidence of its effectiveness if given early. The Budesonide treatment touted in the video shows promise. If Dr. Falsi says it, you can rest assured it is wrong. That guy has no credibility and would already be retired if it was not an election year.
Millions of people on earth have taken it to travel in Africa, treat malaria, treat rheumatoid disease, and to treat Lupus.
I'd rather take 2 a day for 10 years than 2 aspirin a day for 10 years. You want to talk about jumping up the incidence of intracranial vascular events?
Originally Posted by MTDan
Sigh.... I wish I was a Soros plant. I hear he pays well. Instead I'm just a physician who has gotten tired of all this conspiracy theory garbage and pseudo-medical misinformation.
At this point, you're implying that all science is a conspiracy against trump. Let's try using Akums razer, which is more likely: 1. A global kabal has such a stranglehold on mainstream science that virtually every researcher and physician is in on their diabolical plan... or 2. The research doesn't support what the president says, a few docs want to make a quick buck, snd the president can't keep his foot our of his mouth.
At this point, you're implying that all science is a conspiracy against trump. Let's try using Akums razer, which is more likely: 1. A global kabal has such a stranglehold on mainstream science that virtually every researcher and physician is in on their diabolical plan... or 2. The research doesn't support what the president says, a few docs want to make a quick buck, snd the president can't keep his foot our of his mouth.
So you're a physician who can't spell Occam's razor? Got it.
Originally Posted by jaguartx
MSM says Fauci is right.
Ah, there it is.
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
It makes perfect sense. I remember hearing, very early on, doctors saying that asthma inhalers dramatically reduce the symptoms of severe cases, but then you quickly stopped hearing anything about it.
Because of Bill Gates, Fauci (whose wife is on Gates Foundation), China, CDC and WHO.
Hospitals make big bucks from govt for treating Covid and for Rembisivir. If you treat early with Hydroxychloroquine or steroid inhalers the patients usually dont end up in the hospital.
Follow the money, and the push for covid deaths to close voting booths.
Originally Posted by SAcharlie
Originally Posted by jaguartx
MSM says Fauci is right.
Ah, there it is.
Hahaha. I figured you hadnt noticed.
So, how many patients has Fauci treated for C 19?
Originally Posted by Vek
Originally Posted by MTDan
Sigh.... I wish I was a Soros plant. I hear he pays well. Instead I'm just a physician who has gotten tired of all this conspiracy theory garbage and pseudo-medical misinformation.
At this point, you're implying that all science is a conspiracy against trump. Let's try using Akums razer, which is more likely: 1. A global kabal has such a stranglehold on mainstream science that virtually every researcher and physician is in on their diabolical plan... or 2. The research doesn't support what the president says, a few docs want to make a quick buck, snd the president can't keep his foot our of his mouth.
At this point, you're implying that all science is a conspiracy against trump. Let's try using Akums razer, which is more likely: 1. A global kabal has such a stranglehold on mainstream science that virtually every researcher and physician is in on their diabolical plan... or 2. The research doesn't support what the president says, a few docs want to make a quick buck, snd the president can't keep his foot our of his mouth.
So you're a physician who can't spell Occam's razor? Got it.
Hahaha. Tff.
Originally Posted by jaguartx
If you treat early with Hydroxychloroquine or steroid inhalers the patients usually dont end up in the hospital.
There you have it from Dr. Jag.
Well, dang, you got me there. I misspelled something. Guess I better turn in my degree.
I haven't seen any new studies showing promise for hydroxychloroquine, so if there is one, please link it. The last major one I saw was a UK study on dexamethasone for severe cases.
I dont have it out for hydroxychloroquine. In fact, to the contrary. It would be great if it worked. All I'm saying is that there's a whole lot of confirmation bias going on right now. Also that. The president sounds like a lunatic when he endorses unproven treatments.
I haven't seen any new studies showing promise for hydroxychloroquine, so if there is one, please link it. The last major one I saw was a UK study on dexamethasone for severe cases.
I dont have it out for hydroxychloroquine. In fact, to the contrary. It would be great if it worked. All I'm saying is that there's a whole lot of confirmation bias going on right now. Also that. The president sounds like a lunatic when he endorses unproven treatments.
Seems medically rational.
Been taking budesonide for many years for asthma. Can't imagine much statistical down side.
Start using it and then graduate it from anecdotal to researched. In fact, the research is already under way, elsewhere.
Dear God, let it be. Amen
Been taking budesonide for many years for asthma. Can't imagine much statistical down side.
Start using it and then graduate it from anecdotal to researched. In fact, the research is already under way, elsewhere.
Dear God, let it be. Amen
Originally Posted by jaguartx
Suck this you two dumbasses.
Remember, you can keep your Dr.
I have personally probably saved about 80 eyes of people with bacterial corneal infections using meds not cleared for such treatment and it's probably done several hundred times a day in the USA by other doctors because of the screwed up FDA.
Remember, you can keep your Dr.
I have personally probably saved about 80 eyes of people with bacterial corneal infections using meds not cleared for such treatment and it's probably done several hundred times a day in the USA by other doctors because of the screwed up FDA.
Ralph saved my left eye with the corneal infection. Thank him to this day.
Good and interesting video.
Thanks, g5.
Whoa, look at the second graph in the link below. The decline in deaths for the US is represented by the orange color.
Sickers MSM is all a dither about the expanding number of C 19 cases, conveniently forgetting to reveal info about the death rate dropping.
https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/geographical-distribution-2019-ncov-cases
Whoa, look at the second graph in the link below. The decline in deaths for the US is represented by the orange color.
Sickers MSM is all a dither about the expanding number of C 19 cases, conveniently forgetting to reveal info about the death rate dropping.
https:/
Interesting article at this link by someone with real expertise:
https://medium.com/@vernunftundrichtigkeit/coronavirus-why-everyone-was-wrong-fce6db5ba809
If you look at
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
The number of cases in recent weeks has skyrocketed while the death trend continues to go down. Granted there is a lag between a positive test and a death for a particular individual, but I think we would start seeing the daily death toll increase by now. I think either the virus mutated into a weaker form or it has been a lot more widespread than the experts thought and more testing is just confirming that. Treatment of the seriously sick may also better as better protocols and drugs are available. I think the bottom line is it will be around for a long time to come and humanity will work through like thousands of other bugs throughout the eons.
https://medium.com/@vernunftundrichtigkeit/coronavirus-why-everyone-was-wrong-fce6db5ba809
If you look at
https:/
The number of cases in recent weeks has skyrocketed while the death trend continues to go down. Granted there is a lag between a positive test and a death for a particular individual, but I think we would start seeing the daily death toll increase by now. I think either the virus mutated into a weaker form or it has been a lot more widespread than the experts thought and more testing is just confirming that. Treatment of the seriously sick may also better as better protocols and drugs are available. I think the bottom line is it will be around for a long time to come and humanity will work through like thousands of other bugs throughout the eons.
Originally Posted by jaguartx
Thanks, g5.
Whoa, look at the second graph in the link below. The decline in deaths for the US is represented by the orange color.
Sickers MSM is all a dither about the expanding number of C 19 cases, conveniently forgetting to reveal info about the death rate dropping.
https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/geographical-distribution-2019-ncov-cases
Whoa, look at the second graph in the link below. The decline in deaths for the US is represented by the orange color.
Sickers MSM is all a dither about the expanding number of C 19 cases, conveniently forgetting to reveal info about the death rate dropping.
https:/
Actually, orange is for “America “, not just the US.
America: 6 007 810 cases; the five countries reporting most cases are United States (2 938 625), Brazil (1 623 284), Peru (305 703), Chile (298 557) and Mexico (261 750).
Originally Posted by MTDan
This is not how medical research works. One guy who claims amazing results should be met with skepticism until the data can interpreted, analyzed and REPEATED. These docs selling their magic treatments are snake oil salesmen.
The president has no medical background and has no place touting wonder-drugs that havent been fully studied.
It's downright idiotic of him to do so. Hydroxychloroquine didn't stand up to scrutiny. It doesn't stop covid, and now he's lost a degree of credibility in the public eye that he never had to wager at all.
The president has no medical background and has no place touting wonder-drugs that havent been fully studied.
It's downright idiotic of him to do so. Hydroxychloroquine didn't stand up to scrutiny. It doesn't stop covid, and now he's lost a degree of credibility in the public eye that he never had to wager at all.
MTDan, I didn't say anything about how medical research works or studies done etc. My point was that it is nice to hear possible positive news in regards to treatment vs the end of the world. Obviously there will need to be proper studies done but I don't think the Dr. was selling any snake oil as the drugs he was saying he was having good results with aren't new drugs that he would hold stock in and he most likely has plenty of patients so he isn't looking to increase the number of patients he sees by touting a a "cure" or saying he has the answers.
I just thought it was good seeing some positive news. It isn't like someone can go get the stuff off the shelf and then self administer. Until there is a vaccine or a drug that will reduce symptoms reliably then medical people are going to be trying various things to help people that are suffering. I just feel like the media lives on selling bad news and it is nice to hear some positive.
As far as SACharlie he isn't worth the argument. I didn't say a single thing about Trump in my post just negative media.
Originally Posted by MTDan
Sigh.... I wish I was a Soros plant. I hear he pays well. Instead I'm just a physician who has gotten tired of all this conspiracy theory garbage and pseudo-medical misinformation.
At this point, you're implying that all science is a conspiracy against trump. Let's try using Akums razer, which is more likely: 1. A global kabal has such a stranglehold on mainstream science that virtually every researcher and physician is in on their diabolical plan... or 2. The research doesn't support what the president says, a few docs want to make a quick buck, snd the president can't keep his foot our of his mouth.
At this point, you're implying that all science is a conspiracy against trump. Let's try using Akums razer, which is more likely: 1. A global kabal has such a stranglehold on mainstream science that virtually every researcher and physician is in on their diabolical plan... or 2. The research doesn't support what the president says, a few docs want to make a quick buck, snd the president can't keep his foot our of his mouth.
Originally Posted by SAcharlie
Originally Posted by Partagas
Thanks for sharing. I listened to it while I worked. It sounds very promising. It is telling how the media downplays or catastrophizes any positive news or treatment on covid. They want the negative news and impact to keep going.
Damn straight.
MSM should call it a HOAX like trump.
MSM should say its 99.9% harmless like trump.
MSM should talk about anything else like trump.
It is essentially 99% harmless. Retard
Originally Posted by ironbender
Originally Posted by jaguartx
Thanks, g5.
Whoa, look at the second graph in the link below. The decline in deaths for the US is represented by the orange color.
Sickers MSM is all a dither about the expanding number of C 19 cases, conveniently forgetting to reveal info about the death rate dropping.
https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/geographical-distribution-2019-ncov-cases
Whoa, look at the second graph in the link below. The decline in deaths for the US is represented by the orange color.
Sickers MSM is all a dither about the expanding number of C 19 cases, conveniently forgetting to reveal info about the death rate dropping.
https:/
Actually, orange is for “America “, not just the US.
America: 6 007 810 cases; the five countries reporting most cases are United States (2 938 625), Brazil (1 623 284), Peru (305 703), Chile (298 557) and Mexico (261 750).
Great catch, Iron. Thanks.
Imagine how much better it would be if it were of only US.
I believe Trump because thus far he has been a lot more truthful and accurate than the medical establishment or the msm. How could you believe either? Thus far the best evidence looks like Hydroxycholoraquine/Zinc/Z Pack has been the most effective treatment with Remedesvir being less proven and costing far more.
https://www.chron.com/news/article/Wilson-No-benefit-using-inhaled-steroids-for-15390142.php
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After an Odessa doctor said in recent media interviews he believes he’s found the “silver bullet” for treating COVID-19, Midland Memorial’s chief medical officer disputed that claim, saying there’s no evidence the treatment offers any benefit to coronavirus patients.
Dr. Richard Bartlett, a family medicine doctor in Odessa, has said in multiple interviews with broadcast and radio stations that he’s treated dozens of COVID-19 patients with an inhaled form of budesonide, which is often used to treat asthma.
When asked about the treatment during a press conference last week, Chief Medical Officer Dr. Larry Wilson said there have been no studies showing a benefit in using inhaled steroids to treat COVID-19.
Dr. Richard Bartlett, a family medicine doctor in Odessa, has said in multiple interviews with broadcast and radio stations that he’s treated dozens of COVID-19 patients with an inhaled form of budesonide, which is often used to treat asthma.
When asked about the treatment during a press conference last week, Chief Medical Officer Dr. Larry Wilson said there have been no studies showing a benefit in using inhaled steroids to treat COVID-19.
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There is evidence that some steroids, including dexamethasone, may be effective in treating severe cases when given orally or intravenously, Wilson said. However, giving steroids to patients who are not severely ill may do more harm than good, he said.
“The way that steroids work is to create an immune suppression,” he said. “And you want an immune response to fight the virus.”
He said weighing the benefits of steroid treatment with the possibility of suppressing the immune system is a judgment call that should be made only on hospitalized patients.
Most recently, Bartlett was interviewed Friday for the YouTube show “America, Can We Talk?” In that interview, he said early intervention with budesonide was the key to surviving the coronavirus and likened the drug to a silver bullet.
Those who have shared the interview on Facebook are having it removed for violating the platform’s policies regarding misinformation on coronavirus, according to commenters on the YouTube video.
Bartlett made several claims in the video which are demonstrably false, including that 20 percent of the world’s population is at risk of dying from COVID-19 and that Japan and other countries have low numbers of coronavirus infections because they are using inhaled steroids.
A series of case reports from Japan found patients improved on ciclesonide – a different inhaled steroid – but the reports are considered “very low quality evidence,” according to an article in the European Respiratory Journal, because the treatment was given to only three patients and it’s unknown whether those patients would have improved without intervention.
And while about 20 percent of people globally are considered at-risk for developing a severe case of COVID-19, the mortality rate is estimated to be about 1 to 3 percent.
Odessa Regional Medical Center’s chief medical officer also addressed budesonide treatment in a report from KOSA-TV. Dr. Rohith Saravanan said blind, controlled studies, rather than anecdotal evidence, are needed to prove any effectiveness.
“If they say, ‘Oh, five cases, all solved. Magic pill. Silver bullet’ – well, that’s not how science works,” he said.
“The way that steroids work is to create an immune suppression,” he said. “And you want an immune response to fight the virus.”
He said weighing the benefits of steroid treatment with the possibility of suppressing the immune system is a judgment call that should be made only on hospitalized patients.
Most recently, Bartlett was interviewed Friday for the YouTube show “America, Can We Talk?” In that interview, he said early intervention with budesonide was the key to surviving the coronavirus and likened the drug to a silver bullet.
Those who have shared the interview on Facebook are having it removed for violating the platform’s policies regarding misinformation on coronavirus, according to commenters on the YouTube video.
Bartlett made several claims in the video which are demonstrably false, including that 20 percent of the world’s population is at risk of dying from COVID-19 and that Japan and other countries have low numbers of coronavirus infections because they are using inhaled steroids.
A series of case reports from Japan found patients improved on ciclesonide – a different inhaled steroid – but the reports are considered “very low quality evidence,” according to an article in the European Respiratory Journal, because the treatment was given to only three patients and it’s unknown whether those patients would have improved without intervention.
And while about 20 percent of people globally are considered at-risk for developing a severe case of COVID-19, the mortality rate is estimated to be about 1 to 3 percent.
Odessa Regional Medical Center’s chief medical officer also addressed budesonide treatment in a report from KOSA-TV. Dr. Rohith Saravanan said blind, controlled studies, rather than anecdotal evidence, are needed to prove any effectiveness.
“If they say, ‘Oh, five cases, all solved. Magic pill. Silver bullet’ – well, that’s not how science works,” he said.
I am reminded of a Dr from Australia, iirc, many years ago who almost lost his medical license for pushing an unproven treatment on poor, sick, miserable bastids who often suffered for decades with gut pain and in more modern times lived on antacids.
The crazy bastid was successfully treating people for h pylori infection that had been ruled by the powers that be was a normal and benign gut microbe.
He saved a lot of people from a lot of misery by treating abdominal pain with off label meds.
There is no telling how many people over the ages who suffered for decades before dying of supposedly other conditions. Most docs would have given up and shut up.
Pioneers face s lot of jealousy and peer pressure.
The crazy bastid was successfully treating people for h pylori infection that had been ruled by the powers that be was a normal and benign gut microbe.
He saved a lot of people from a lot of misery by treating abdominal pain with off label meds.
There is no telling how many people over the ages who suffered for decades before dying of supposedly other conditions. Most docs would have given up and shut up.
Pioneers face s lot of jealousy and peer pressure.
That's the guy whose hospital has lost a several patients.
Midland Co has had 927 cases and 17 deaths. Odessa, 2 hospitals have had 1392 cases and 11 deaths.
I'd say that's medically significant. The death count would be even lower for Odessa if BOTH hospitals would have treated early and initially with Hydroxychloroquine. Only one hospital here did.
Midland Co has had 927 cases and 17 deaths. Odessa, 2 hospitals have had 1392 cases and 11 deaths.
I'd say that's medically significant. The death count would be even lower for Odessa if BOTH hospitals would have treated early and initially with Hydroxychloroquine. Only one hospital here did.
I'll check back in 6 months do see how things are going with Dr. Godallmighty's plan to save the world from Covid.
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
I'll check back in 6 months do see how things are going with Dr. Godallmighty's plan to save the world from Covid.
Where did you get the Dr Godallmighty BS, Paul? The same place you got the BS idea the only difference in honkeys and blecks was the color of skin?
Originally Posted by jaguartx
That's the guy whose hospital has lost a several patients.
Midland Co has had 927 cases and 17 deaths. Odessa, 2 hospitals have had 1392 cases and 11 deaths.
I'd say that's medically significant. The death count would be even lower for Odessa if BOTH hospitals would have treated early and initially with Hydroxychloroquine. Only one hospital here did.
Midland Co has had 927 cases and 17 deaths. Odessa, 2 hospitals have had 1392 cases and 11 deaths.
I'd say that's medically significant. The death count would be even lower for Odessa if BOTH hospitals would have treated early and initially with Hydroxychloroquine. Only one hospital here did.
He speaks from experience in treating the very serious cases of Covid-19. With that said, I see no issues with putting Dr. Bartlett's hypothesis to the scrutiny of scientific testing. If he is right it's a game changer, if he's wrong then we need to keep looking.
Dr Wilson was also of the opinion patients with Covid should stay home several days or weeks until they became short of breath.
Originally Posted by SAcharlie
Damn straight.
MSM should call it a HOAX like trump.
MSM should say its 99.9% harmless like trump.
Why bother, they can’t salvage their credibility with the American people by saying Trump is right as usual.
Jag,
In a week or two, pharmacies will complain about a shortage of Budesonide. I can help Charlie with the message from MSM too...unproven, debunked, untested, anecdotal, racist right wing conspiracy. Lol
In a week or two, pharmacies will complain about a shortage of Budesonide. I can help Charlie with the message from MSM too...unproven, debunked, untested, anecdotal, racist right wing conspiracy. Lol
Originally Posted by MTDan
Let's try using Akums razer
You’re a physician?
Originally Posted by MTDan
Sigh.... I wish I was a Soros plant. I hear he pays well. Instead I'm just a physician who has gotten tired of all this conspiracy theory garbage and pseudo-medical misinformation.
At this point, you're implying that all science is a conspiracy against trump. Let's try using Akums razer, which is more likely: 1. A global kabal has such a stranglehold on mainstream science that virtually every researcher and physician is in on their diabolical plan... or 2. The research doesn't support what the president says, a few docs want to make a quick buck, snd the president can't keep his foot our of his mouth.
At this point, you're implying that all science is a conspiracy against trump. Let's try using Akums razer, which is more likely: 1. A global kabal has such a stranglehold on mainstream science that virtually every researcher and physician is in on their diabolical plan... or 2. The research doesn't support what the president says, a few docs want to make a quick buck, snd the president can't keep his foot our of his mouth.
I believe it is Occam's razor and cabal.....but I did not have higher education!
I do agree with you, Squidge.
More testing is needed for sure.
There is this.
6. Yamaya M, Nishimura H, Deng X, et al. Inhibitory effects of glycopyrronium, formoterol, and budesonide on coronavirus HCoV-229E replication and cytokine production by primary cultures of human nasal and tracheal epithelial cells. Respir Investig. 2020;58(3):155-168. doi:10.1016/j.resinv.2019.12.005
There is this.
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A single in vitro study that investigated the antiviral potential of budesonide observed no reduction in viral replication in cells treated with budesonide and no reduction in inflammatory cytokine release.
6. Yamaya M, Nishimura H, Deng X, et al. Inhibitory effects of glycopyrronium, formoterol, and budesonide on coronavirus HCoV-229E replication and cytokine production by primary cultures of human nasal and tracheal epithelial cells. Respir Investig. 2020;58(3):155-168. doi:10.1016/j.resinv.2019.12.005
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Up-The FDA has no approved treatment for C 19 disease.
Dr Bartlett successfully treated many patients with Hydroxychloroquine who were deathly ill when he started seeing and treating him.
The elderly lady he here discusses had been C19 I'll iirc, for 2 weeks and in bed 5 or 6 days when he started to. She was undergoing TX for 2 types of cancer and hbp.
Scientific fact is proven if the results are predictable, observable and reproducible.
He thinks this TX will prevent serious illness and let the country get back to work.
Dr Bartlett successfully treated many patients with Hydroxychloroquine who were deathly ill when he started seeing and treating him.
The elderly lady he here discusses had been C19 I'll iirc, for 2 weeks and in bed 5 or 6 days when he started to. She was undergoing TX for 2 types of cancer and hbp.
Scientific fact is proven if the results are predictable, observable and reproducible.
He thinks this TX will prevent serious illness and let the country get back to work.
Texas ICU beds 90% full. Only 15% of those patients have Covid.
Sickermore, you try to ridicule Trump re him recommending Hydroxychloroquine. Your chickenschiett buds retort is that Trump isnt a Doctor. Well he isnt a specialist on international terrorists, either.
Are you saying he cant get recommendations from those who are? Are you saying Zero was a genius who didnt? I guess he was. He rarely had meetings with his military guys. I wonder why. Maybe he didnt want to hear what they had to say. Did he take their advice on rules of engagement? You were never concerned those onerous rules were causing increased US casualties.
So, I think your threads on the great servicemen and their battles were nothing more than brown nosing subterfuge designed to mislead Campfire Patriots into thinking you were patriotic rather than a commie pos. You know, a head fake so to speak, designed to pull the wool over our eyes so you could gig Trump from behind from your disguise.
So, Trump screwed up on his rec of Hydroxychloroquine, right. But, I havent heard you denigrate any of your DNC NE dimmocommie Govs of their being murderers of old people.
Oh, you didnt notice, I guess, while sucking up BS killer talking points from CNN that your commie bud Cuomo committed a form of murder by sending 6 thousand 3 hundred old people ill with covid disease back into nursing homes, illegally I might add, while the nursing home directors were screaming at him that they didnt have Drs, nurses, equipment or facilities to care for or treat them. IOW, he sentenced them to death.
I know you are too stupid to realize that was illegal, because your Commie News Network has not let you in on the fact that Federal Law only allows sick nursing home residents to be returned to the NH if the NH has adequate treatment and facilities to care for them. FAIL. They didnt, and they told Cuomo they didnt. How stupid do you think he is? Youre probably smart enough to understand what that means. What kind of Dr is your bud Cuomo?
He knew they couldnt be effectively treated. He knew they would die. He sent them there to die.
And you know what? You're a POS who doesnt give a schiett. That makes you a lying POS hypocrite.
GFY
Sickermore, you try to ridicule Trump re him recommending Hydroxychloroquine. Your chickenschiett buds retort is that Trump isnt a Doctor. Well he isnt a specialist on international terrorists, either.
Are you saying he cant get recommendations from those who are? Are you saying Zero was a genius who didnt? I guess he was. He rarely had meetings with his military guys. I wonder why. Maybe he didnt want to hear what they had to say. Did he take their advice on rules of engagement? You were never concerned those onerous rules were causing increased US casualties.
So, I think your threads on the great servicemen and their battles were nothing more than brown nosing subterfuge designed to mislead Campfire Patriots into thinking you were patriotic rather than a commie pos. You know, a head fake so to speak, designed to pull the wool over our eyes so you could gig Trump from behind from your disguise.
So, Trump screwed up on his rec of Hydroxychloroquine, right. But, I havent heard you denigrate any of your DNC NE dimmocommie Govs of their being murderers of old people.
Oh, you didnt notice, I guess, while sucking up BS killer talking points from CNN that your commie bud Cuomo committed a form of murder by sending 6 thousand 3 hundred old people ill with covid disease back into nursing homes, illegally I might add, while the nursing home directors were screaming at him that they didnt have Drs, nurses, equipment or facilities to care for or treat them. IOW, he sentenced them to death.
I know you are too stupid to realize that was illegal, because your Commie News Network has not let you in on the fact that Federal Law only allows sick nursing home residents to be returned to the NH if the NH has adequate treatment and facilities to care for them. FAIL. They didnt, and they told Cuomo they didnt. How stupid do you think he is? Youre probably smart enough to understand what that means. What kind of Dr is your bud Cuomo?
He knew they couldnt be effectively treated. He knew they would die. He sent them there to die.
And you know what? You're a POS who doesnt give a schiett. That makes you a lying POS hypocrite.
GFY
I get it. I agree that the MSM has shouting that the world is ending, and good news is a welcome relief. I just think that by endorsing it, he needlessly attached his credibility to an unproven drug. And having hope taken away if the treatment doesn't work after all, is more damaging.
I hope this Detroit study pans out. I hope it hydroxychloroquine works.
The ad hominem attacks are totally uncalled for. There's room to disagree about parts of this issue without being a Soros plant.
I hope this Detroit study pans out. I hope it hydroxychloroquine works.
The ad hominem attacks are totally uncalled for. There's room to disagree about parts of this issue without being a Soros plant.
Squidge,
I found the same article. There was one mention of testing budesonide. Testing was in vitro with nasal and trachael cells. The doctor testing it had mixed results. Doctor's conclusion was that treatment with budesonide alone did not decrease the viral titres or RNA levels. To my knowledge no one besides Dr. Bartlett has done human testing rather than in vitro cells.
The article which will be linked below was not peer reviewed. It did mention that Inhaled ciclesonide works on covid 19.
"Matsuyama et al also screened drugs from a chemical library and ciclesonide, fluticasone, and mometasone furoate (all inhaled corticosteroids) were included in the list of drugs screened.4 In this instance, the cytopathic effect caused by MERS-CoV infection was measured to evaluate viral replication when cells were treated with these four steroid compounds. Ciclesonide conferred a >95% cell survival rate, exhibited low cytotoxicity and resulted in potent suppression of viral replication. They authors investigated the antiviral effects of steroids against other respiratory viruses including HCoV-229E (one of the causes of the common cold) and SARS-CoV. Ciclesonide and mometasone suppressed replication of these viruses. The authors sought to investigate the viral drug target, by conducting 11 consecutive MERS-CoV passages in the presence of 40 μM ciclesonide or 40 μM mometasone. A mutant virus that developed resistance to ciclesonide was generated. Next-generation sequencing identified an amino acid substitution in non-structural protein (NSP-15), an endoribonuclease, in the mutant virus. A recombinant virus containing this amino acid substitution overcame the antiviral effect of ciclesonide. The authors concluded that NSP15 is the molecular target of ciclesonide. The authors also observed that the mutant virus was still inhibited by mometasone, suggesting that the antiviral target of mometasone is different to that of ciclesonide."
I gather from this article that some corticosteroids could help.
article: https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/inhal...for-treatment-or-prevention-of-covid-19/
I found the same article. There was one mention of testing budesonide. Testing was in vitro with nasal and trachael cells. The doctor testing it had mixed results. Doctor's conclusion was that treatment with budesonide alone did not decrease the viral titres or RNA levels. To my knowledge no one besides Dr. Bartlett has done human testing rather than in vitro cells.
The article which will be linked below was not peer reviewed. It did mention that Inhaled ciclesonide works on covid 19.
"Matsuyama et al also screened drugs from a chemical library and ciclesonide, fluticasone, and mometasone furoate (all inhaled corticosteroids) were included in the list of drugs screened.4 In this instance, the cytopathic effect caused by MERS-CoV infection was measured to evaluate viral replication when cells were treated with these four steroid compounds. Ciclesonide conferred a >95% cell survival rate, exhibited low cytotoxicity and resulted in potent suppression of viral replication. They authors investigated the antiviral effects of steroids against other respiratory viruses including HCoV-229E (one of the causes of the common cold) and SARS-CoV. Ciclesonide and mometasone suppressed replication of these viruses. The authors sought to investigate the viral drug target, by conducting 11 consecutive MERS-CoV passages in the presence of 40 μM ciclesonide or 40 μM mometasone. A mutant virus that developed resistance to ciclesonide was generated. Next-generation sequencing identified an amino acid substitution in non-structural protein (NSP-15), an endoribonuclease, in the mutant virus. A recombinant virus containing this amino acid substitution overcame the antiviral effect of ciclesonide. The authors concluded that NSP15 is the molecular target of ciclesonide. The authors also observed that the mutant virus was still inhibited by mometasone, suggesting that the antiviral target of mometasone is different to that of ciclesonide."
I gather from this article that some corticosteroids could help.
article: https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/inhal...
Originally Posted by Partagas
Thanks for sharing. I listened to it while I worked. It sounds very promising. It is telling how the media downplays or catastrophizes any positive news or treatment on covid. They want the negative news and impact to keep going.
Nailed it.
No news can be good news. Not while the Orange Man is still in the Oval Office.
If it isn't obvious to liberals RIGHT NOW that their leadership is completely ok with the total destruction of America, then they should just step off the ledge. They're completely gone, I've got nothing else for them, and at this point they are just absorbing resources better utilized elsewhere.
Originally Posted by troublesome82
Originally Posted by MTDan
Sigh.... I wish I was a Soros plant. I hear he pays well. Instead I'm just a physician who has gotten tired of all this conspiracy theory garbage and pseudo-medical misinformation.
At this point, you're implying that all science is a conspiracy against trump. Let's try using Akums razer, which is more likely: 1. A global kabal has such a stranglehold on mainstream science that virtually every researcher and physician is in on their diabolical plan... or 2. The research doesn't support what the president says, a few docs want to make a quick buck, snd the president can't keep his foot our of his mouth.
At this point, you're implying that all science is a conspiracy against trump. Let's try using Akums razer, which is more likely: 1. A global kabal has such a stranglehold on mainstream science that virtually every researcher and physician is in on their diabolical plan... or 2. The research doesn't support what the president says, a few docs want to make a quick buck, snd the president can't keep his foot our of his mouth.
I believe it is Occam's razor and cabal.....but I did not have higher education!
So you did not receive your Red Star or hammer and sickle badge..
Lol.
Yep, it was just one small test which is still open to scientific scrutiny, methodology and application to the real world is open to criticism. The same holds true with Dr. Bartlett.
Originally Posted by MTDan
This is not how medical research works. One guy who claims amazing results should be met with skepticism until the data can interpreted, analyzed and REPEATED. These docs selling their magic treatments are snake oil salesmen.
The president has no medical background and has no place touting wonder-drugs that havent been fully studied.
It's downright idiotic of him to do so. Hydroxychloroquine didn't stand up to scrutiny. It doesn't stop covid, and now he's lost a degree of credibility in the public eye that he never had to wager at all.
The president has no medical background and has no place touting wonder-drugs that havent been fully studied.
It's downright idiotic of him to do so. Hydroxychloroquine didn't stand up to scrutiny. It doesn't stop covid, and now he's lost a degree of credibility in the public eye that he never had to wager at all.
Yet morons like you would wait until people die before trying anything with more than anecdotal evidence. In fact you are so stupid that you don't know that Hydroxychloroquine has stood up to scrutiny and is useful in keeping Covid from getting worse if taken soon after you get it. But we know leftards like yourself could care less about peoples health, if they live or die you just want dictatorial socialism and globalism to ruin the country. GFY.
Originally Posted by rickt300
Originally Posted by MTDan
This is not how medical research works. One guy who claims amazing results should be met with skepticism until the data can interpreted, analyzed and REPEATED. These docs selling their magic treatments are snake oil salesmen.
The president has no medical background and has no place touting wonder-drugs that havent been fully studied.
It's downright idiotic of him to do so. Hydroxychloroquine didn't stand up to scrutiny. It doesn't stop covid, and now he's lost a degree of credibility in the public eye that he never had to wager at all.
The president has no medical background and has no place touting wonder-drugs that havent been fully studied.
It's downright idiotic of him to do so. Hydroxychloroquine didn't stand up to scrutiny. It doesn't stop covid, and now he's lost a degree of credibility in the public eye that he never had to wager at all.
Yet morons like you would wait until people die before trying anything with more than anecdotal evidence. In fact you are so stupid that you don't know that Hydroxychloroquine has stood up to scrutiny and is useful in keeping Covid from getting worse if taken soon after you get it. But we know leftards like yourself could care less about peoples health, if they live or die you just want dictatorial socialism and globalism to ruin the country. GFY.
Well, there is that.
Originally Posted by local_dirt
Originally Posted by Partagas
Thanks for sharing. I listened to it while I worked. It sounds very promising. It is telling how the media downplays or catastrophizes any positive news or treatment on covid. They want the negative news and impact to keep going.
Nailed it.
No news can be good news. Not while the Orange Man is still in the Oval Office.
If it isn't obvious to liberals RIGHT NOW that their leadership is completely ok with the total destruction of America, then they should just step off the ledge. They're completely gone, I've got nothing else for them, and at this point they are just absorbing resources better utilized elsewhere.
Freaks live a life of pessimism, misery, bad news, nothing is right, everything is wrong, the sky is falling, we are destroying the planet, we are going to die, we arent dying fast enough, too many are dying too soon, send them to nursing homes so they die faster, it may kill you to take Plaquenil, wait until you cant breathe to see a dr, damnit - he couldn't breathe,....
The freaks live a miserable existence, and they want company. And if you arent miserable, they know how to fix that too. Yep, like everything else they fughked up.
Shut her down, C 19 is going to kill nearly everybody.
You cant take Hydroxychloroquine, it could possibly kill some old person with heart problems, lets stick them in nursing homes. Freaking unreal.
You cant take Hydroxychloroquine, it could possibly kill some old person with heart problems, lets stick them in nursing homes. Freaking unreal.
For the record during my battle with COVID I did receive treatment of Hydroxychloroquine with no benefits. For me it was the Plasma transfusion that cured me. I don’t know if the use of the steroid in question was ever an option but I will be following that drug for future reference.
Were you also taking Zinc Sulfate and Zithromax?
I would have to go onto my portal and see. I was in a coma for three weeks and still am a bit fuzzy of what I was told I was given.
Originally Posted by rickt300
Originally Posted by MTDan
This is not how medical research works. One guy who claims amazing results should be met with skepticism until the data can interpreted, analyzed and REPEATED. These docs selling their magic treatments are snake oil salesmen.
The president has no medical background and has no place touting wonder-drugs that havent been fully studied.
It's downright idiotic of him to do so. Hydroxychloroquine didn't stand up to scrutiny. It doesn't stop covid, and now he's lost a degree of credibility in the public eye that he never had to wager at all.
The president has no medical background and has no place touting wonder-drugs that havent been fully studied.
It's downright idiotic of him to do so. Hydroxychloroquine didn't stand up to scrutiny. It doesn't stop covid, and now he's lost a degree of credibility in the public eye that he never had to wager at all.
Yet morons like you would wait until people die before trying anything with more than anecdotal evidence. In fact you are so stupid that you don't know that Hydroxychloroquine has stood up to scrutiny and is useful in keeping Covid from getting worse if taken soon after you get it. But we know leftards like yourself could care less about peoples health, if they live or die you just want dictatorial socialism and globalism to ruin the country. GFY.
I'm going to guess that reading comprehension is about as strong a skill for you as spelling is for me.
What I said was "the president should not be endorsing unproven treatments to the public. That's not his place."
I did NOT say hydroxychloroquine is dangerous, doctors shouldn't be able to prescribe off label, or that everything should be locked down. That's you making assumptions.
The jury is still out on hydroxychloroquine. What you are doing now where you cling to any studies thst support what you want to be true and dismiss any that question it is called confirmation bias.
There has to be too to disagree with the president without being a "global socialist" otherwise we're screwed.
The underlying truth is, the vitriol, hate, hyperbole, and politics here makes discussing this issue 100% worthless at this point. Everyone has created their own stance, put a stake in the ground, and have dug in.
Follow the science and think for yourself and course correct as necessary through these times? Naaa, that's a call to "repent" to any of the few idiots here who think they rule the forum.
No one's opinion here will ever count, and no one will ever be right. Because the usual suspects here with loud mouths run roughshod over anyone with a modicum of common sense.
Follow the science and think for yourself and course correct as necessary through these times? Naaa, that's a call to "repent" to any of the few idiots here who think they rule the forum.
No one's opinion here will ever count, and no one will ever be right. Because the usual suspects here with loud mouths run roughshod over anyone with a modicum of common sense.
Originally Posted by JimHnSTL
I would have to go onto my portal and see. I was in a coma for three weeks and still am a bit fuzzy of what I was told I was given.
Glad to hear you pulled through. I hope your lungs recover ok.