Question.

Should we accept 200%+ increase in urban crime as the new normal?

Or

Should State and Federal troops take over and restore law and order?

I am NOT LEADING ANYONE IN THEIR ANSWER.

IT IS A SINCERE QUESTION.

If you oppose State and Federal intervention... is there a precent increase ((i.e. 500 murders per day in Richmond per say) when you would reconsider your position?

If you feel the increase in crime is a small price to pay for the remaking of a city and this increase in crime is only temporary... would be willing to sell a bag of the dope you are smoking?

Thanks in advance!

I’ll stay here in the sticks and let the problem sort it’s self out.

I am NOT LEADING ANYONE IN THEIR ANSWER.

IT IS A SINCERE QUESTION.

But..... If you disagree with me, you must be smoking dope.

I think my wife is beginning to understand why I never liked crowds.

Yep. I say no Federal help whatsoever. If the policies aren't allowed to fail no lesson will be learned. Has to be hard consequences seen/felt by all involved, either directly or by being complicit.

Let it ride. Anyone with any common sense will leave and it’ll sort itself out. No skin off my nuts...

This is what you fuggers voted for. Deal with it yourselves!

Give the hood rats all the guns and ammo they can carry, and stand back. After six months, then send in the troops and shoot the survivors. Anybody stupid enough to live in one of those places is too far gone to worry about and they don't need to come anywhere near my neighborhood!

I didn't vote for anyfugginthing like what is going on.

Dude... It's A Brave New World and I want to get with the program but I ain't got no Soma.

Give me a break please.

At the risk of sounding stupid, what is “Soma”?

Edited to add that I just googlefoo’ed it and got everything from lady’s lingerie seller, to video game, to a muscle relaxant. None which would make any sense to me in this context.

Prescription muscle relaxer

I'm ALL for state rights.

Feds need to take care of national defense (that ain't Buckwheat burning down a nail salon) and ensure no one's rights are stomped out by out of control state/local governments (read Supreme Court).

I don't care if all of California burns, it's their state and I assume that is what they want.

Federal Taxpayers should not support state/local governments, period.

In our Brave World when we are all important and we are all equal and we all brothers and we all love... Soma is a recreational drug that we share freely amongst each other.

https://study.com/academy/lesson/soma-in-brave-new-world-examples-analysis.html

Kinda the opposite of GFY... just as a point of reference.

Absolutely not. Local police or at worst, National Guard intervention. The Deep State wants us to beg for federalized police, which means permanent martial law. That will become UN blue helmets, some say. All I know is that this lawlessness cannot be allowed. The democrats are yawning...

Your question was acceptable, until you explained that you are looking for a bag of dope! Let me ask you your opinion on states rights. Federal law enforcement can already intervene. Think about why they havent! FBI and U.S. Marshall 's has had its fingers in states law enforcement since the 1800's. Now they lay back why?

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When it gets so bad that the only one willing to wade into the cesspool is Snake Pliskin, then I will lose sleep over it. It is the liberal nincompoops who created this and much of the recent shenanigans need to be put on the shoulders of Obaminator and his life partner.

If the local politicians aren’t using their local organic sources to the fullest, then no.

If local politicians aren’t publicly demanding to end the carnage, then no.

If the locals aren’t accepting to Federal resources, then no.

Based on the above and what I’ve seen thus far, I don’t think any Federal resources should be used.

There is some value in watching 100% Democratic controlled areas explode and having local politicians sit by watch it. And furthermore, stop funding the police.

Don’t feel bad for the crime victims one bit. The local residents don’t care and they live there. A bunch a young kids were killed by gun violence recently. Hardly a word and zero organized public outcry from the locals. It’s just life in the ghettos. Been that way for a long, long time and isn’t changing.

I am sorry to see these areas in that situation. HOWEVER, I am not seeing any great outcry from the citizens demanding that anything is done to stop it. You cannot help someone who has no interest in helping themselves.

Ditto

And no Federal money for rebuilding either.

So in a nutshell what I believe I'm understanding is there's less empathy... less generosity toward urban centers then there may have been at a prior point in your life.

Maybe?

You crapped in your own bed and my willingness to change your sheets did not make my Action Item list?

I say no. They voted for the policies there so sink or swim. Why risk any military lives or open that can of worms for law suits, Screw 'em!

What statues are torn down, trump will replace,

what money cities require after riots, the taxpayer will provide

The pictures I have seen of national guard troops, they have been unarmed. No need to send them into harms way.

I contemplated giving a schitt. But the reality is, there's at least two U.S.As. My U.S.A. doesn't have boos and air headed leftist kids marching in the streets burning and looting. It may not be officially recognized. But those people live in foreign lands,...most of them far away.

If the leftists want to burn and loot their land, why should I care?

And for the non leftists who have built their lives and reside in those leftist schittholes,..ya fugged up! What can I tell ya?

name one place in America without liberals

Beatty Oregon

I am thinking of getting a better handgun. Any suggestions??

Highpoint

Made in Ohio... gangsta approved

+1

Bingo

We know it is the Democrat mayors and the Democrat police chiefs and the Democrat AGs of the Democrat controlled states who are fanning the flames of chaos, trying to force Trump to use 'military force in American cities', you know, to prove he's obviously a fascist dictator.

And if he doesn't? Well, it means he doesn't care about the people in Democrat cities, right? Because he's a racist fascist dictator.

So, what are the options? Withold federal funds? Arrest those mayors, police chiefs, and AG's for not doing their jobs? An national emergency state of the union address outlining what's happening and why?

Yep.

The Donald needs to avoid “threatening” to send in troops and simply point to what the whole country could look like if we’d all like Democratic rulers.

I predict an awful lot of white flight from “gentrifying” neighborhoods where “racism” will be screamed again as tax payers flee for their lives and take heavy financial losses as they do.

We are in a war but the "Right" is too stupid to know it. The "Left", the Democrat/Communists are attacking and pulling out the stops, so because it is a war (and many MANY leftists spoke-persons have said that word in their verbal assaults against our Republic) what is the military for? What's their job? What's the ONLY constitutional reason for their very existence?
So because it IS a WAR, and the stated goal of the left is the elimination of the united States of America as the Constitutional republic that is was created to be, what do you all think the military should be used for?

Here's an idea: How about destroying Enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC"?

If these Dem/Comms are not the very definition of a domestic enemy please tell me what is.

whoopsie So close too


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No on federal law enforcement. Let the democrats own up to their idiotic policies. If people vote democrat, let them suffer the consequences.
Nobody in their right mind wants to get rid of police. It’s all political weaponry and pandering to black voters.
A blind man can see that the democrats and leftist are corrupt, and willing to destroy civilization to get the political control they crave. Their whole agenda is centered on control of the people and the money. It’s blatantly obvious.
And smart people should be asking themselves “what the leftist democrats are gonna do if or when they get that power?”
If the answer to that question doesn’t worry you, you really need to lay off the cool aid.
7mm

Problem is they will bring it to you when they leave.

I have adjustable turrets

I don't live in a DEM controlled city. Could care less what happens in them in the first place.

I'd like to see trump say, "The left is letting this happen in desperate hope of getting photo ops to turn the coming election. If they admit they have been actively trying to over turn the Government and then resign (all the leftists Governors mayors police chiefs DAs ...) after publicly asking for Federal help to restore restore law and order in their leftist hell holes I'll fix it. I will not entertain any request for Federal Dollars to rebuild it though. You encouraged this to happen... after the burning looting and mass shootings are brought to a halt, it will be up to you to fix what you broke... if you can."....

this , make it hurt , stupidity should be painful

Yep. People better get in the mindset of fight or flight. Either:
1) Your AO is worth fighting for, is inhabited by like minded, willing brother's in arms, and is defendable in a shooting war.
2) Move somewhere that is.
3) Take a knee and join the rest of the stupid sheep lining up to be sheared.
4) Be willing to die fighting.


Like has been talked about here in various threads, you better be organizing and preparing. If the Dems take the white house and the senate and hold the house, you better be ready for the storm that's coming. The United States as intended and designed, freedom and liberty will cease to exist on Nov. 8th. That's an undeniable fact.

bingo!

While I don't want Fed Tax Dollars ( FEMA) per se to go directly to those Dem States/Cities, I do see the need to restore Law N Order. Kick butt, take names, put adults in charge until the madness subsides.

No federal help.
Let the fugga,s in Liberal Socialist Democrat urban schitholes reap what the sowed..

If ya dont wanta be their for the free for all when they rampage.

Get the fugg out beforehand....

Let them burn.

You do realize that at least half of elected officials consider YOU a domestic enemy?

Serious question, do you know of any "adults" in any of these cities?

I am honestly not trying to be a smart-ass but are there any actual adults in Richmond Virginia or Atlanta Georgia or Los Angeles or Chicago?

Short of martial law and a Commanding General taking over a city I'm not really sure how this plan could be accomplished.

Let these cities break down into utter chaos. No choice but to burn it down to be rebuilt from the ashes.

Reality is,the best chance is for lawlessness to run rampant so we can do what has to be done to right this ship. A lot of blood needs spilled. Only way to change course now.

Why? Because they know they are violating the Constitution at every breath?

I'm sure everything would be going smoothly if several million people werent minding their own and going to work every day, wondering why the [bleep] the elected can't manage what's been funded 100 times over to default level (just two examples that the elected violate constantly).

A private citizen has very few examples in everday activity to violate the Constitution, simply because it governs the government.

But then those idiots will move near me and try to make us into what they left.

Buy a Creedmoor and Vortex Razor... like most

Or a Weatherby and a Kahles like some.

Honestly, nothing puzzles me more than that very thing you just mentioned. Whether it’s blue state libs running from crime and high taxes , or people that move here from third world chit holes. The first thing they do is try to revert it back to what they ran from. It makes NO SENSE WHATSOEVER!

My point is that you think these same folks are willing and able to solve this problem. I predict you will be disappointed.

I dont think that at all...

Marshall law is a scary thing too think about! Talk about all losing their rights, thats what you will get! Plus the loss of yours! The people in the riot areas voted for what they got, let them burn! Maybe they will get smart and vote for the correct party next time! Yes I know older people from Portland, they left and went to their place on the coast, placed their house on the market. They have had enough of the Portland mindset!

Witnessed this first hand when I lived in rural NE PA 30 years ago. "Flatlanders" from NJ or the Oranges would pay 3 prices for a 40 or 50 acres tract of land. And then install "Jersey Wall Paper". Essentially a "No Trespassing" or "No Hunting" or "No Nothing" sign nailed on every vertical piece of wood, trees, fence posts, utility poles...

Relocated two hours and 150 miles to "Get away from the azz wholes in the city". And then continue to be azz wholes to everyone they come in contact with in their new AO...

"You do realize that at least half of elected officials consider YOU a domestic enemy?"

All Marxists and Muslims sure do............. so YES I DO!!!!

Absolutely! Fahq'em.Let'em burn.

Ain't that the ever loving truth and lost on so many.

Option #3.... File articles of impeachment against the Governors (that allowed and supported it) for not upholding the constitution that they swore to uphold!

Good idea!

The LAST thing I want to see, is the Feds doing a job that the States should have handled on their own, as it ain't ever a good thing to cede that authority to the big boys... let em sink or swim, they made the choice for themselves.

Because they never get done. They will burn and loot yours.

I'll take care of my own field of fire.

Let it burn.....

No. It won't happen in flyover country.

As for here if the local police couldn't handle it they'd call in the State. If it got too bad the State would call in their special response unit.

If the special response unit gets into it, they shoot,...a lot,...until it ends.

,..and that's not unique here. Those wackos know to stay out of flyover country.

A little group marched up and down the street here one day. No looting, no burning, no conflict,..and that's fine. Let them have their say. (there may have been 30 people, max)

Small areas in flyover country are true communities. Large percentages of them grew up together since childhood. They don't even think about burning somebody out or looting a store. And they won't allow anyone to come into their community and commit those acts.

As I've said before. America is two countries. All of that burning and looting happens in the other America.

On Second thought..."no, can't say I know of ANY ADULT" to put in charge w/o violating the Constitution. That leaves Marshall Law, which we certainly don't want. Myself, personally, I pray alot and stay alert. ha

There’s already an established response for this. City police handle city issues until they ask for help. They’re totally capable of handling these insurrections. The political leaders choose not to.

I feel sorry for the victims and conservative minority that this affects, but it’s a local issue. When it’s too big for the city to manage, it’s in the governor’s realm with National Guard. When it becomes an issue that threatens national security, it’s martial law time.

Started that... "Impeachment Process" at Lobby Day Jan 20, 1020 here in Virginia. Died on the vine...

Folks were uninterested in signing... either non-believers or afraid of being on a "List".

I know... seems pathetic. Don't know why, but even the VCDL and their lawyers turned me down. So did the RNC in my county here in Virginia.

No excuses... and I have no idea why.

I can send the recall petition to anyone that wants it. March forward as I did... maybe your brick wall will be easier. I am serious.

https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbt...ans-that-violate-their-oath#Post14537242

Let them walllow in the pig stie they have made. One welfare check will get them on a flight somewhere else but they don’t do it. Ed k

Nor did I. And I will deal with it.. ruthlessly.

There is no version of federal troops "policing" US citizens that's OK. Period.