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Posted By: Muffin SCOTUS term-limit bill... - 09/25/20
The left must be smelling defeat...
Hahaha!


Choke on it use mudderfuggers.
Children
Spoiled children
If Trump wins and we have enough state level support, we should pass an amendment that locks in the number of SCOTUS judges after we secure a 6-3 majority.
Haha.

You knew something like that was coming from those aszholes. And there will probably be more of the same.
Posted By: Old_Toot Re: SCOTUS term-limit bill... - 09/25/20
Wouldn’t hurt to put a clear definition of “fit for service “ attached to the job.
Originally Posted by Old_Toot
Wouldn’t hurt to put a clear definition of “fit for service “ attached to the job.

Who gets to decide that? What are the criteria? It's 90% subjective in the eyes of the person evaluating the candidate.
Posted By: Dutch Re: SCOTUS term-limit bill... - 09/25/20
Their dear departed hero Ruth didn’t think much of the idea, did she?
Posted By: 1911a1 Re: SCOTUS term-limit bill... - 09/25/20
That's a given with the leftist who want to take over this country. They are trying desperately to get any kind of foothold that they can use to circumvent the constitution. They are like spoiled brats who want to change every rule or law anytime it suits them to get the results they want.
Posted By: slumlord Re: SCOTUS term-limit bill... - 09/25/20
All show and no go
Posted By: 007FJ Re: SCOTUS term-limit bill... - 09/25/20
He will get 5. The next oldest is a liberal male and I think Clarence would retire before the end of the next 4.
That's rich. How about an 18-year term limit in the House of Representatives?

I think I like that better.
Posted By: 1911a1 Re: SCOTUS term-limit bill... - 09/25/20
Originally Posted by 007FJ
He will get 5. The next oldest is a liberal male and I think Clarence would retire before the end of the next 4.


after the election and Trump wins, which they'll have to cheat like hell to beat, and the senate stays Repub. They need to get Thomas to retire and put a 40 year old ultra conservative constitutionalist in his place.
Posted By: Valsdad Re: SCOTUS term-limit bill... - 09/25/20
Originally Posted by 1911a1
Originally Posted by 007FJ
He will get 5. The next oldest is a liberal male and I think Clarence would retire before the end of the next 4.


after the election and Trump wins, which they'll have to cheat like hell to beat, and the senate stays Repub. They need to get Thomas to retire and put a 40 year old ultra conservative constitutionalist in his place.

Can they find one who is black?
How about term limits for congress
Posted By: slumlord Re: SCOTUS term-limit bill... - 09/25/20
Originally Posted by Valsdad
Originally Posted by 1911a1
Originally Posted by 007FJ
He will get 5. The next oldest is a liberal male and I think Clarence would retire before the end of the next 4.


after the election and Trump wins, which they'll have to cheat like hell to beat, and the senate stays Repub. They need to get Thomas to retire and put a 40 year old ultra conservative constitutionalist in his place.

Can they find one who is black?


Hershel Walker 😃
Instead of stacking the deck on the SCOTUS, if Trump wins, do the opposite and REDUCE the # of justices to 7 and have the Senate REMOVE 2. Then vote on an amendment to lock in 7 forever.

Posted By: Valsdad Re: SCOTUS term-limit bill... - 09/25/20
Originally Posted by slumlord
Originally Posted by Valsdad
Originally Posted by 1911a1
Originally Posted by 007FJ
He will get 5. The next oldest is a liberal male and I think Clarence would retire before the end of the next 4.


after the election and Trump wins, which they'll have to cheat like hell to beat, and the senate stays Repub. They need to get Thomas to retire and put a 40 year old ultra conservative constitutionalist in his place.

Can they find one who is black?


Hershel Walker 😃

Well, he's very accomplished. Does he have a law degree?
Posted By: slumlord Re: SCOTUS term-limit bill... - 09/25/20
Was Elena Kagan ever actually a judge anywhere before her appointment?
Posted By: Valsdad Re: SCOTUS term-limit bill... - 09/25/20
Good question.

the Cray tapes are turning in the cranium but not coming back with anything.

I think there must have been some magnetic interference, probably some geological anomaly I passed by one day.

Or maybe it was the Testor's??
Originally Posted by Dutch
Their dear departed hero Ruth didn’t think much of the idea, did she?




Nor did she think much of the Constitution.. Picking and choosing which parts she wanted to uphold and which parts she wanted to legislate over From the Bench.
Age limits/term limits for SCOTUS and congress, need to get rid of them before senility impairs their ability to think clearly. Although there are examples of both genders who have overstayed their ability to think clearly, the females seem to become real dingbats once they get past retirement age.
Not going to happen without a Constitutional Amendment.
Posted By: Ginther Re: SCOTUS term-limit bill... - 09/25/20
Originally Posted by gunswizard
Age limits/term limits for SCOTUS and congress, need to get rid of them before senility impairs their ability to think clearly. Although there are examples of both genders who have overstayed their ability to think clearly, the females seem to become real dingbats once they get past retirement age.


females become dingbats.... LOL park your ass you dinosaur

Unlike Trump I don't recall Ginsberg suffering a series of mini strokes and slurring her words
Nancy has always struck me as the chief arsonist in charge.

I want a new house...

How can I burn my old house down and not get caught?

Now that I have burnt my house down without being caught how much will insurance pay me to build a new one?

Fight with the insurance for twice that money.

Shaft the contractor that is actually rebuilding my house and pocket 50% of the money to upgrade all of my contents.

Complain that I am the victim of someone else's malfeasance.
Posted By: 16bore Re: SCOTUS term-limit bill... - 09/25/20
Term limits for Congress!
Posted By: KenMi Re: SCOTUS term-limit bill... - 09/25/20
Originally Posted by Ginther
Originally Posted by gunswizard
Age limits/term limits for SCOTUS and congress, need to get rid of them before senility impairs their ability to think clearly. Although there are examples of both genders who have overstayed their ability to think clearly, the females seem to become real dingbats once they get past retirement age.


females become dingbats.... LOL park your ass you dinosaur

Unlike Trump I don't recall Ginsberg suffering a series of mini strokes and slurring her words


That's the best you can come up with to defend the geriatric washed out dolt that your party chose? He is the only one that wouldn't have ended up in jail......yet.
Posted By: Osky Re: SCOTUS term-limit bill... - 09/25/20
Every government employee position should have term limits, right down to the custodians of the schools. Particularly the politicians to a man/woman.

Osky
Originally Posted by montanabadger
How about term limits for congress
The only way that can happen is a constitutional convention. It takes a 2/3 vote of both houses to pass an amendment and there's no way they'd vote to limit themselves.
Posted By: Osky Re: SCOTUS term-limit bill... - 09/25/20
A constitutional convention is way overdue. There is a very good reason that provision and possibility exist. The only ones who fear it’s happening are the Kings and Queens who have feathered their own nests at the upper ends of the political spectrum.
It should be mandatory every 20 years or so.

Osky
Posted By: vapodog Re: SCOTUS term-limit bill... - 09/25/20
No one I ever talked to would argue against a constitutional amendment for term limits.,
I've always been against congressional term limits as it takes away ballot box choice. However, the way congress has gone the last 20 years, I don't see any other way to clean out that snake pit.
Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
Originally Posted by montanabadger
How about term limits for congress
The only way that can happen is a constitutional convention. It takes a 2/3 vote of both houses to pass an amendment and there's no way they'd vote to limit themselves.

Part (1)

Then it must be ratified by 3/4 of the states.

But I don’t think term limits for members of Congress requires a Constitutional Amendment.

SC yes, Congress not sure.
Posted By: dassa Re: SCOTUS term-limit bill... - 09/25/20
Term limits won't fix anything. The problem lies in the unelected alphabet agencies.
Posted By: BLG Re: SCOTUS term-limit bill... - 09/25/20
8 years total for the house and the senate. No where in America can you fail at your job for this long and still be employed.



Clyde
Posted By: hatari Re: SCOTUS term-limit bill... - 09/25/20
Originally Posted by BLG
8 years total for the house and the senate. No where in America can you fail at your job for this long and still be employed.



Clyde



Problem with term limits is that you can have wild swings in power both ways.

If term limits were in place in 2008, Obama might have had 65 Senators and a 100 seat advantage in the House with all of the anti Bush sentiment.
Originally Posted by steve4102
Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
Originally Posted by montanabadger
How about term limits for congress
The only way that can happen is a constitutional convention. It takes a 2/3 vote of both houses to pass an amendment and there's no way they'd vote to limit themselves.

Part (1)

Then it must be ratified by 3/4 of the states.

But I don’t think term limits for members of Congress requires a Constitutional Amendment.

SC yes, Congress not sure.
The constitution specifies the terms of both houses but it doesn't specify a limit on how many terms they can serve. A precedent was established when the president was limited to 2 terms by an amendment. It will take another one to limit congress.
Posted By: Gus Re: SCOTUS term-limit bill... - 09/25/20
when all we've got to choose from is a bunch of humans and many of them possessing strange ideas there's no one good answer.

one can construct a scenario to suit one's position, but in 50 years there's no tellin' what our descendents will be facing.

btw just got back from drivers services to have my license re newed. i can stand flat footed and say there's diversity about.

a long line that snaked around the outside of the bldg. everybody in social distance. thank god it wasn't raining.
Posted By: BLG Re: SCOTUS term-limit bill... - 09/25/20
Originally Posted by hatari
Originally Posted by BLG
8 years total for the house and the senate. No where in America can you fail at your job for this long and still be employed.



Clyde



Problem with term limits is that you can have wild swings in power both ways.

If term limits were in place in 2008, Obama might have had 65 Senators and a 100 seat advantage in the House with all of the anti Bush sentiment.



I understand, and maybe there should be longer than 8 years. I can say this though, the founders never intended for our reps to be lifelong appointments.


Clyde
Posted By: Old_Toot Re: SCOTUS term-limit bill... - 09/25/20
Originally Posted by JakeBlues
Originally Posted by Old_Toot
Wouldn’t hurt to put a clear definition of “fit for service “ attached to the job.

Who gets to decide that? What are the criteria? It's 90% subjective in the eyes of the person evaluating the candidate.


Something along the lines of how major airlines evaluate their pilots as being fit for duty. Their responsibility levels are fairly high in a comparable regard.

Not sure if that answered your question or not.
The founders also never considered that congress would establish a pension plan so they can stay there without working at real jobs. Professional lobbying is something else that we really don't need.
Originally Posted by Old_Toot
Wouldn’t hurt to put a clear definition of “fit for service “ attached to the job.


Yes but then must declare before hand who will make that determination or you are right back at square one. Cheers NC
Posted By: Old_Toot Re: SCOTUS term-limit bill... - 09/25/20
Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
The founders also never considered that congress would establish a pension plan so they can stay there without working at real jobs. Professional lobbying is something else that we really don't need.



Last I read a while back is 500 in Congress and 35,000 registered lobbyists in Washington DC.

Now, besides Soros, who really sets the direction of our Country?
Posted By: Old_Toot Re: SCOTUS term-limit bill... - 09/25/20
Originally Posted by northcountry
Originally Posted by Old_Toot
Wouldn’t hurt to put a clear definition of “fit for service “ attached to the job.


Yes but then must declare before hand who will make that determination or you are right back at square one. Cheers NC







I just tried to address that question from Brother JakeBlues.
Posted By: Old_Toot Re: SCOTUS term-limit bill... - 09/25/20
Originally Posted by dassa
Term limits won't fix anything. The problem lies in the unelected alphabet agencies.


And PACs and lobbyists.
Posted By: SPQR70AD Re: SCOTUS term-limit bill... - 09/25/20
Originally Posted by hatari
Originally Posted by BLG
8 years total for the house and the senate. No where in America can you fail at your job for this long and still be employed.



Clyde



Problem with term limits is that you can have wild swings in power both ways.

If term limits were in place in 2008, Obama might have had 65 Senators and a 100 seat advantage in the House with all of the anti Bush sentiment.

george "magog" bush was a liberal who is in love with mr michelle obama and voted for hillary. bill clinton was 100 times more conservative then the drunken coke head bush
Posted By: 12344mag Re: SCOTUS term-limit bill... - 09/25/20
Originally Posted by hatari
Problem with term limits is that you can have wild swings in power both ways.

If term limits were in place in 2008, Obama might have had 65 Senators and a 100 seat advantage in the House with all of the anti Bush sentiment.



I just had a chance to read the story. It's a typical Democrat tactic of trying to subvert the United States Constitution.
Posted By: jwall Re: SCOTUS term-limit bill... - 09/25/20
Originally Posted by Old_Toot
Wouldn’t hurt to put a clear definition of “fit for service “ attached to the job.


HEAR ! HEAR !
Posted By: Old_Toot Re: SCOTUS term-limit bill... - 09/25/20
Originally Posted by jwall
Originally Posted by Old_Toot
Wouldn’t hurt to put a clear definition of “fit for service “ attached to the job.


HEAR ! HEAR !




My concern is for the Cognizant aspect, e.g.. Drugs required for treatment, pain medications for terminal cancer, etc.

Think,,, RBG. There are a myriad of tests to prove mental competency.


The Physical side of the equation:
Someone wheelchair bound like, say, Texas Governor Abbot would cause me no concern, per se.
Posted By: Runhunt Re: SCOTUS term-limit bill... - 09/25/20
There are ways to make it so every president gets to appoint a justice. Rapid swings in the court are socially destabilizing, so probably moving in that direction is wise.
Posted By: Old_Toot Re: SCOTUS term-limit bill... - 09/25/20
Originally Posted by Runhunt
There are ways to make it so every president gets to appoint a justice. Rapid swings in the court are socially destabilizing, so probably moving in that direction is wise.


One more nomination and placement by Trump will eliminate swings for quite a while.

Jmo
Posted By: 12344mag Re: SCOTUS term-limit bill... - 09/25/20
Originally Posted by Runhunt
There are ways to make it so every president gets to appoint a justice. Rapid swings in the court are socially destabilizing, so probably moving in that direction is wise.



So you advocate changing or subverting the Constitution?
Posted By: TCK Re: SCOTUS term-limit bill... - 09/25/20
I would be much more in favor for
" no exemption for congress and lifetime appointed persons of laws and regulations that are imposed on citizens "
If it is good enough for citizens it should be good enough for everyone.
Posted By: Valsdad Re: SCOTUS term-limit bill... - 09/25/20
Originally Posted by Old_Toot
Originally Posted by dassa
Term limits won't fix anything. The problem lies in the unelected alphabet agencies.


And PACs and lobbyists.


Guessing you think 'We the People" are worse off after the Citizens United ruling then?
Posted By: Runhunt Re: SCOTUS term-limit bill... - 09/25/20
Originally Posted by 12344mag
Originally Posted by Runhunt
There are ways to make it so every president gets to appoint a justice. Rapid swings in the court are socially destabilizing, so probably moving in that direction is wise.



So you advocate changing or subverting the Constitution?

Not at all. Term limits are within the scope of the constitution. If we make the limit 17 years (or something like that) it would most likely play out that every president would get a shot at appointing somebody. It’s been studied out. Not sure why we went to be hollering for people to die just because we don’t like their politics.

Do you mean like during our Revolution? We are very close to the same unbridgeable world views in our nation.
Posted By: mathman Re: SCOTUS term-limit bill... - 09/25/20
Originally Posted by Valsdad
Originally Posted by slumlord
Originally Posted by Valsdad
Originally Posted by 1911a1
Originally Posted by 007FJ
He will get 5. The next oldest is a liberal male and I think Clarence would retire before the end of the next 4.


after the election and Trump wins, which they'll have to cheat like hell to beat, and the senate stays Repub. They need to get Thomas to retire and put a 40 year old ultra conservative constitutionalist in his place.

Can they find one who is black?


Hershel Walker 😃

Well, he's very accomplished. Does he have a law degree?


I don't believe that's a requirement.
Posted By: Valsdad Re: SCOTUS term-limit bill... - 09/25/20
Originally Posted by mathman
Originally Posted by Valsdad
Originally Posted by slumlord
Originally Posted by Valsdad
Originally Posted by 1911a1
Originally Posted by 007FJ
He will get 5. The next oldest is a liberal male and I think Clarence would retire before the end of the next 4.


after the election and Trump wins, which they'll have to cheat like hell to beat, and the senate stays Repub. They need to get Thomas to retire and put a 40 year old ultra conservative constitutionalist in his place.

Can they find one who is black?


Hershel Walker 😃

Well, he's very accomplished. Does he have a law degree?


I don't believe that's a requirement.



It may not be.

I may not be happy with the results if I let a lawyer who has never seen the underside of a car hood work on my vehicle though.
Posted By: Sprint11 Re: SCOTUS term-limit bill... - 09/25/20
Originally Posted by steve4102
Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
Originally Posted by montanabadger
How about term limits for congress
The only way that can happen is a constitutional convention. It takes a 2/3 vote of both houses to pass an amendment and there's no way they'd vote to limit themselves.

Part (1)

Then it must be ratified by 3/4 of the states.

But I don’t think term limits for members of Congress requires a Constitutional Amendment.

SC yes, Congress not sure.



Actually, I think it would require an amendment. I think it was Arkansas that passed a state law limiting congress critters terms. The SC struck it down as the states have no jurisdiction over federal offices.

An amendment requires EITHER a convention of the states, then ratification by the states, OR passage by 2/3 of both chambers, then ratification by the states.
Posted By: 12344mag Re: SCOTUS term-limit bill... - 09/25/20
Originally Posted by Runhunt
Originally Posted by 12344mag
Originally Posted by Runhunt
There are ways to make it so every president gets to appoint a justice. Rapid swings in the court are socially destabilizing, so probably moving in that direction is wise.



So you advocate changing or subverting the Constitution?

Not at all. Term limits are within the scope of the constitution. If we make the limit 17 years (or something like that) it would most likely play out that every president would get a shot at appointing somebody. It’s been studied out. Not sure why we went to be hollering for people to die just because we don’t like their politics.


By putting Term limits on a SC judge you are either changing, subverting, or ignoring Article 3 of the Constitution, it really is that simple.

Section 1 of Article 3 States,

"The judicial power of the United States, shall be vested in one Supreme Court, and in such inferior courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish. The judges, both of the supreme and inferior courts, shall hold their offices during good behaviour, and shall, at stated times, receive for their services, a compensation, which shall not be diminished during their continuance in office."

The life term was meant to take away all bias of the court, it provides for no pressure on a judge to be re-elected or lose their jobs due to a particular decision.

A SC judge may be removed by impeachment if they are not doing their job, making unconstitutional decisions, bla, bla, bal, ect.

Our forefathers were smart individuals with balls that put their lives and the lives of their families on the line to create a Country of the likes the world has never seen and they succeeded remarkably well. Don't be so arrogant to think you know more than what they did.
Posted By: IndyCA35 Re: SCOTUS term-limit bill... - 09/25/20
Originally Posted by 16bore
Term limits for Congress!


That was part of Newt Gingrich's Contract With America that got enough Republicans elected to control the House for the first time in 40 years. Of course, the Congress refused to vote it in. Where else would people like Gerald Nadler get a job?
Posted By: IndyCA35 Re: SCOTUS term-limit bill... - 09/25/20
Originally Posted by TCK
I would be much more in favor for
" no exemption for congress and lifetime appointed persons of laws and regulations that are imposed on citizens "
If it is good enough for citizens it should be good enough for everyone.


+1
Posted By: hanco Re: SCOTUS term-limit bill... - 09/25/20
No term limits was a mistake!
Posted By: hatari Re: SCOTUS term-limit bill... - 09/25/20
Originally Posted by BLG
Originally Posted by hatari
Originally Posted by BLG
8 years total for the house and the senate. No where in America can you fail at your job for this long and still be employed.



Clyde



Problem with term limits is that you can have wild swings in power both ways.

If term limits were in place in 2008, Obama might have had 65 Senators and a 100 seat advantage in the House with all of the anti Bush sentiment.



I understand, and maybe there should be longer than 8 years. I can say this though, the founders never intended for our reps to be lifelong appointments.


Clyde


I agree, but don’t have the answer
The founders never envisioned 90 year old, brain dead, dump phucqs refusing to step down when they clearly aren't capable of performing their duty to a level deserved of the position and responsibility.
Originally Posted by IndyCA35
Originally Posted by 16bore
Term limits for Congress!


That was part of Newt Gingrich's Contract With America that got enough Republicans elected to control the House for the first time in 40 years. Of course, the Congress refused to vote it in. Where else would people like Gerald Nadler get a job?

Or AOC, or Waters, or ...
Posted By: 12344mag Re: SCOTUS term-limit bill... - 09/25/20
Originally Posted by jackmountain
The founders never envisioned 90 year old, brain dead, dump phucqs refusing to step down when they clearly aren't capable of performing their duty to a level deserved of the position and responsibility.




They didn't. What they did envision is the House of Representatives doing their job which they didn't. When Ginsburg became unable to do here job and she refused to step down she should have been removed from that position. The House was controlled by the dems and as usual they didn't perform their jobs. Had the repubs had control of the house I don't have much faith they would have done their jobs either.

Ginsburg wanted the skank to replace her position and when that bet didn't pan out she let her TDS take over her common sense.

The Constitution works as written, follow it and things work out.
Originally Posted by jackmountain
The founders never envisioned 90 year old, brain dead, dump phucqs refusing to step down when they clearly aren't capable of performing their duty to a level deserved of the position and responsibility.





Yep, life expectancy was quite a bit shorter in those days.
Posted By: Muffin Re: SCOTUS term-limit bill... - 09/25/20
Repealing the 17th would be good too!
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