You all know that I am a clinician, I take care of patients. That is my first priority. So, when time is left over, I can write. There hasn't been any time to communicate lately. Today, however, I need to get some information out urgently.
Please realize that this message should not be taken lightly and dismissed. In the last few days, I have heard that some patients have been approached to take the vaccine. I'm going to break this down to the top 12 items you need to know about the COVID19 vaccine before drawing any conclusions.
In an attempt to inform you, though, I am not speaking to you specifically as a patient, here are some of important facts you need to know. Then, being informed, you can make your decision to take it or leave it.
1. It is not a vaccine. It does not contribute to vaccinated herd immunity. Vaccines are a specialized medicine that are given to healthy people to stop them from getting a disease. Vaccines are given to prevent transmission of a virus. The COVID-19 vaccine does not stop you from getting the virus. It has not been proven to prevent transmission. It is not a vaccine.
Because it is not preventing transmission of the virus, it does not achieve vaccinated herd immunity.
2. The experimental "vaccine" only lessens symptoms. The reported effective rates of over 90%, is in reference to minimizing symptoms, NOT immunizing you against the virus. That is why the CDC is still recommending wearing the mask after you take the "vaccine." You are still at risk of getting the virus.
3. You do not need to be vaccinated if you have already contracted COVID-19. After you have contracted COVID-19 there is one silver lining... you don't need to be vaccinated. You already have the most robust immune response possible, your natural immune system which is best.
There may be those who argue that you could contract COVID-19 again. Yet, if we look back over history, we find that there is nothing better than the body making the antibodies naturally. Don't forget, you can always support the immune system with Vitamin D and Vitamin C, zinc and quercetin.
The new "vaccine" was purposely studied in those who had not contracted COVID-19 previously, that is expected. So, for those who had COVID-19 and had symptoms or not, taking the "vaccine" is exposing you to a risk that has not been studied. We do not know how the immune system will respond.
4. The "experimental vaccine" uses new technology. No other vaccine currently available is like it. All current and past vaccines use antigens, a protein substance that the body detects as a pathogen, something that is foreign to us. Some of the COVID-19 vaccines use a modified virus to program our cells to make an antigen. Then, after our cells make the antigen, our immune system fights against it.
For the first time, the immune system is trying to attack something our bodies have made. Will the body consider it "self" or "non-self?" This needs to be studied in great measure before subjecting the public to it. The ramifications of autoimmune disease could be great.
The previous unsuccessful attempts to create a vaccine against SARS-CoV, MERS-CoV and RSV, all coronaviruses, raised similar concerns of antibody-dependent enhancement, or ADE
Understand, you are agreeing to be in a study when you take the COVID19 vaccine. The previous trials did not include people of all age groups. During the Phase 3 trials, healthy individuals were studied, so we do not know what how this medication will affect the young, old or those with medical conditions.
5. The "vaccine" may make you sicker than if you hadn't taken it, especially the elderly. The vaccine may cause a paradoxical reaction, called ADE Antibody-dependent enhancement. One type of antibodies, non-neutralizing (or enhanced antibodies) actually aide entry of virus into the cell. It is like a trojan horse, escorting the virus into the cell and increasing the viral load inside the cell.
If the person is infected later with the virus, they can have an even more serious reaction than if they hadn't taken the vaccine altogether. Studies show that the elderly may be even more prone to ADE.
"Thus, to conclude, treating physicians need to be wary of the fact that reinfection might be a possible outcome in COVID‐19 patients which may lead to a more severe presentations rather than an innocuous symptoms which the patient initially manifest with."
6. Reports of inflammation have been identified at the placenta of women who become pregnant after the vaccination. Caution if you desire future pregnancies. The "vaccine" is designed to create antibodies to attack the viral s-protein. It is very similar genetically to the proteins made by the placenta. Some reported cases of inflammation have occurred. I urge extreme caution for those of you that desire future pregnancies. This reaction could affect future childbearing. We just do not know. The "vaccine" has not been studied thoroughly in pregnant women.
7. There are effective, safe, affordable prevention and treatment medications for COVID-19. During the pandemic, well over 230 studies have shown that hydroxychloroquine is a safe effective affordable medication to prevent and treat COVID-19. Additional supplements including Vitamin D, Vitamin C, Quercetin and Zinc have all been found to beneficial in the treatment of COVID-19. For the cost of over the counter supplements, and a very affordable medication, usually less than $25, the majority of people can be treated. Doesn't it make sense to take something previously used for decades?
8. Deaths due to COVID-19 do not justify the approval an "experimental vaccine." We now know the death rate for COVID-19 in all ages in the US. The death rate is less than 1% for those younger than 70 years of age. 80% of deaths are over the age of 70 with additional diseases associated. We know that 94% of COVID-19 deaths reported in the US have 2+ additional medical conditions contributing to the total death reported as COVID-19 deaths. Great news! The death rate is very low for most people.
We should focus on the high risk group, those over 70 with multiple diseases to protect from COVID-19. Allowing low risk groups to get the virus, will protect those at risk. Natural herd immunity decreases the risk of exposure for those at high risk.
Deaths due to COVID-19 for the majority of ages is similar to the flu. Would you be willing to take the measures you currently are taking for COVID-19 for the flu?
9. The known risks of vaccines can be serious. Vaccines currently available have reported know risks including neurological diseases such as transverse myelitis, Bells' Palsy multiple sclerosis, autism, and Guillain-Barre.
There are already reported cases of Bells' Palsy and transverse myelitis and even death with the COVID-19 "vaccine." The FDA limited the Phase 3 trials and shortened the traditional trial periods from 24 months to 2 months. Now, we are the subjects of the study without knowing all of the risks.
10. Results of the "vaccine" trials were reported with less than 200 people. The trials started with ~43,000, but only 170 people were included in the conclusions that the vaccine was effective at lessening symptoms. Another manufacturer started with 30,000 participants. Efficacy was calculated based on less than 200 individuals.
Is an analysis of less than 200 people enough to draw conclusions for billions?
11. The pharmaceutical companies and those who administer it are not liable for any damages related to complications of the experimental "vaccine." The pharmaceutical companies no longer have liability for their products. Physicians or pharmacies who administer the vaccines have no liability either.
What could go wrong with that?
12. The vaccine should be compared to other therapeutic medications to treat symptoms to determine risk vs benefits of the drug. Whenever you take any medication, ask yourself, is the risk of taking this medication worth the benefit? If the "vaccine" can only lessen symptoms, it should be compared to other medications that do the same, like Tylenol or hydroxychloroquine.
The latter wins the risk vs benefit comparison hands down.
That pretty much reiterates what some health professionals have already been preaching, though much of what has been said in this regard is cast aside. This was good information, thanks for posting!
The EUA that was issued to authorize the development of the vaccines was illegal. EUA’s can only be issued if there is not another drug available to treat the emergency. There was not only one drug available, there were two, HCQ and Ivermectin, and we knew those medicines were saving lives back in the Summer from trials going on from treating patients around the world.
EUA’s allow the PHARM’s to bypass the normal trial / development stages to check safety, which sometimes takes 10+ years for unhealthy / unsafe conditions to show.
Having said that, this means the present EUA’s and vaccines are illegal, and should be stropped immediately, but the government won’t, and therefore is allowing citizens to be murdered.
The survival rate for people 70 and below with no comorbidities is around 99.9% with Ivermectin, if given when symptoms first appear or are tested positive, and not far below that even for people with comorbidities. It has even saved people on vents in late stage of the disease.
No vaccine has ever been developed for a corona virus, and many of the multiple attempts have had ADE arise in the development stages many times, and kill the animals. Corona viruses mutate constantly and change, like the flu, thus the reason flu shots are simply a best guess every year. That is all this CV-19 vaccine is, is an experiment (guess), and risking people’s lives unnecessary when there is a proven drug for $2.00, with multiple decades of a safety record and a 99.9% survival rate.
All this was is a blank check from the government to the Illegal Industrial-Medical Complex to allow them to make Billions, and murder elderly citizens.
This whole fraud could be stopped in 1 week, if they gave Ivermectin across the country, but there is no money to be made by PHARM from an off-patent drug.
Remember, the vaccines are illegal right now as you read this, being the EUA’s were illegally granted. That is black letter law, and the law also states now that these trials are coming out proving Ivermectin is a cure, the EUA’s must be retracted, and the vaccines are no longer legal and must go back through the standard trials to prove safety.
The above is what a communist government does….murder their people.
I think the "vaccine" is b u l l s h i t, just like the "pandemic." There's an agenda behind all of it, and we're not going to know the exact nature of that agenda until it is either exposed or it is too late to counter.
What I don't understand is how hundreds of doctors who have arrived at the same conclusions as Dr. Cole are not being heard, or at least not listened to. It truly amazes me that people in this country are stupid and gullible enough to swallow the utter crap they're being spoon-fed while the people wielding the spoon look at them and pretty much say, "We think you're stupid and gullible, and guess what? You are!"
Unfortunately, the s h i t-shovelers seem to be correct. It's nothing new. I've been telling people for 30 years now that despite what the GOP spews at us at election time, they are just as corrupt and vile as the demonrats, and don't give a damn about you, your family, your business, your faith, your security, or your country. They're all a bunch of lying thieves on both sides of the aisle and 99% of them should be tried, convicted, and hung for treason.
I realized this long before I could vote, simply by listening and observing, and studying history that wasn't taught in school.
Most manipulation and conditioning is quite transparent if you admit that you're being manipulated and conditioned. Apparently that's too big a pill for most people to swallow.
I started this thread just a week ago, and they removed the 56 minute video from the public 2 days after I posted it when I checked it, which disclosed all this info in Jag’s thread.
Unbelievable, the in your face outright silencing of the first amendment, when human lives are being Murdered.
Watch it if you haven't. It is a must watch, and she goes over the specifics about the whole fraud, including most of the facts here in Jag's thread he posted.
I took the first shot, and in about 2 1/2 weeks will take the second shot. As with anything else, there are "experts" on both sides of the argument, and both sides can present what might be considered a valid argument. I based my decision on the overwhelmingly number of "experts" who endorse taking the vaccine, over those who don't.
I'll give you two reasons why I wont take the shots.
#1. My wifes first cousin is a radiologist, working in the Dallas, Tx. area. When asked if she was going to take the shots, her answer was a resounding, "NO". She also stated that she didn't know of any doctor that was taking the shots.
#2. My niece is a doctor. She's only worked 2 places..... Mayo in Rochester, Mn. and is currently at Duke in Durham, NC. When I asked her about the shots, she said, "No way". By the way, her expertise is in medical research. She said there were so many shortcuts and unproven procedures taken while developing the stuff that she wouldn't touch it 'with a 10' pole'. She also went on to say that the unknown future side effects were just a guess, but she readily admitted that there may not be side effects. As of now, its a crap shoot. She went on to say that even tho this is a very contagious 'form of the flu', it's still just the flu and the recovery rate for healthy individuals is right in line with other forms of the flu. She also explained that because it is so contagious, more people are getting it, and because more people get it, there are more deaths. But, the deaths are proportional to the regular flu.
I admit I'm no doctor, but I trust those two, to give it to me straight.
...despite what the GOP spews at us at election time, they are just as corrupt and vile as the demonrats, and don't give a damn about you, your family, your business, your faith, your security, or your country. They're all a bunch of lying thieves on both sides of the aisle...
...despite what the GOP spews at us at election time, they are just as corrupt and vile as the demonrats, and don't give a damn about you, your family, your business, your faith, your security, or your country. They're all a bunch of lying thieves on both sides of the aisle...
Agreed.
Yep. Who was pushing it to be available before election time?
...despite what the GOP spews at us at election time, they are just as corrupt and vile as the demonrats, and don't give a damn about you, your family, your business, your faith, your security, or your country. They're all a bunch of lying thieves on both sides of the aisle...
Agreed.
Yep. Who was pushing it to be available before election time?
And Trump told them to make it with m-RNA instead of with DNA as is normally done, didnt he? The lousy bastid.
IIRC, it was not announced until AFTER the election. Of course, he didnt have hid hand forced by the deep state at all, now did he?
"5. The "vaccine" may make you sicker than if you hadn't taken it, especially the elderly. The vaccine may cause a paradoxical reaction, called ADE Antibody-dependent enhancement. One type of antibodies, non-neutralizing (or enhanced antibodies) actually aide entry of virus into the cell. It is like a trojan horse, escorting the virus into the cell and increasing the viral load inside the cell.
If the person is infected later with the virus, they can have an even more serious reaction than if they hadn't taken the vaccine altogether. Studies show that the elderly may be even more prone to ADE.
"Thus, to conclude, treating physicians need to be wary of the fact that reinfection might be a possible outcome in COVID‐19 patients which may lead to a more severe presentations rather than an innocuous symptoms which the patient initially manifest with."
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Hank Aaron was 84 years old. He took the vaccine, and two weeks later he died.
Ivermectin is experimental at this point with covid. Despite what someone’s gut feeling or OAN news’s said. Since everybody is so dang smart here I assume they can read and understand this article.
I took the first shot, and in about 2 1/2 weeks will take the second shot. As with anything else, there are "experts" on both sides of the argument, and both sides can present what might be considered a valid argument. I based my decision on the overwhelmingly number of "experts" who endorse taking the vaccine, over those who don't.
I don't know any experts personally. I see talking heads on TV calling themselves experts. But I don't know who those people are.
For all I know, it's Thelma from the Accounting dept.
You all know that I am a clinician, I take care of patients. That is my first priority. So, when time is left over, I can write. There hasn't been any time to communicate lately. Today, however, I need to get some information out urgently.
Please realize that this message should not be taken lightly and dismissed. In the last few days, I have heard that some patients have been approached to take the vaccine. I'm going to break this down to the top 12 items you need to know about the COVID19 vaccine before drawing any conclusions.
In an attempt to inform you, though, I am not speaking to you specifically as a patient, here are some of important facts you need to know. Then, being informed, you can make your decision to take it or leave it.
1. It is not a vaccine. It does not contribute to vaccinated herd immunity. Vaccines are a specialized medicine that are given to healthy people to stop them from getting a disease. Vaccines are given to prevent transmission of a virus. The COVID-19 vaccine does not stop you from getting the virus. It has not been proven to prevent transmission. It is not a vaccine.
Because it is not preventing transmission of the virus, it does not achieve vaccinated herd immunity.
2. The experimental "vaccine" only lessens symptoms. The reported effective rates of over 90%, is in reference to minimizing symptoms, NOT immunizing you against the virus. That is why the CDC is still recommending wearing the mask after you take the "vaccine." You are still at risk of getting the virus.
3. You do not need to be vaccinated if you have already contracted COVID-19. After you have contracted COVID-19 there is one silver lining... you don't need to be vaccinated. You already have the most robust immune response possible, your natural immune system which is best.
There may be those who argue that you could contract COVID-19 again. Yet, if we look back over history, we find that there is nothing better than the body making the antibodies naturally. Don't forget, you can always support the immune system with Vitamin D and Vitamin C, zinc and quercetin.
The new "vaccine" was purposely studied in those who had not contracted COVID-19 previously, that is expected. So, for those who had COVID-19 and had symptoms or not, taking the "vaccine" is exposing you to a risk that has not been studied. We do not know how the immune system will respond.
4. The "experimental vaccine" uses new technology. No other vaccine currently available is like it. All current and past vaccines use antigens, a protein substance that the body detects as a pathogen, something that is foreign to us. Some of the COVID-19 vaccines use a modified virus to program our cells to make an antigen. Then, after our cells make the antigen, our immune system fights against it.
For the first time, the immune system is trying to attack something our bodies have made. Will the body consider it "self" or "non-self?" This needs to be studied in great measure before subjecting the public to it. The ramifications of autoimmune disease could be great.
The previous unsuccessful attempts to create a vaccine against SARS-CoV, MERS-CoV and RSV, all coronaviruses, raised similar concerns of antibody-dependent enhancement, or ADE
Understand, you are agreeing to be in a study when you take the COVID19 vaccine. The previous trials did not include people of all age groups. During the Phase 3 trials, healthy individuals were studied, so we do not know what how this medication will affect the young, old or those with medical conditions.
5. The "vaccine" may make you sicker than if you hadn't taken it, especially the elderly. The vaccine may cause a paradoxical reaction, called ADE Antibody-dependent enhancement. One type of antibodies, non-neutralizing (or enhanced antibodies) actually aide entry of virus into the cell. It is like a trojan horse, escorting the virus into the cell and increasing the viral load inside the cell.
If the person is infected later with the virus, they can have an even more serious reaction than if they hadn't taken the vaccine altogether. Studies show that the elderly may be even more prone to ADE.
"Thus, to conclude, treating physicians need to be wary of the fact that reinfection might be a possible outcome in COVID‐19 patients which may lead to a more severe presentations rather than an innocuous symptoms which the patient initially manifest with."
6. Reports of inflammation have been identified at the placenta of women who become pregnant after the vaccination. Caution if you desire future pregnancies. The "vaccine" is designed to create antibodies to attack the viral s-protein. It is very similar genetically to the proteins made by the placenta. Some reported cases of inflammation have occurred. I urge extreme caution for those of you that desire future pregnancies. This reaction could affect future childbearing. We just do not know. The "vaccine" has not been studied thoroughly in pregnant women.
7. There are effective, safe, affordable prevention and treatment medications for COVID-19. During the pandemic, well over 230 studies have shown that hydroxychloroquine is a safe effective affordable medication to prevent and treat COVID-19. Additional supplements including Vitamin D, Vitamin C, Quercetin and Zinc have all been found to beneficial in the treatment of COVID-19. For the cost of over the counter supplements, and a very affordable medication, usually less than $25, the majority of people can be treated. Doesn't it make sense to take something previously used for decades?
8. Deaths due to COVID-19 do not justify the approval an "experimental vaccine." We now know the death rate for COVID-19 in all ages in the US. The death rate is less than 1% for those younger than 70 years of age. 80% of deaths are over the age of 70 with additional diseases associated. We know that 94% of COVID-19 deaths reported in the US have 2+ additional medical conditions contributing to the total death reported as COVID-19 deaths. Great news! The death rate is very low for most people.
We should focus on the high risk group, those over 70 with multiple diseases to protect from COVID-19. Allowing low risk groups to get the virus, will protect those at risk. Natural herd immunity decreases the risk of exposure for those at high risk.
Deaths due to COVID-19 for the majority of ages is similar to the flu. Would you be willing to take the measures you currently are taking for COVID-19 for the flu?
9. The known risks of vaccines can be serious. Vaccines currently available have reported know risks including neurological diseases such as transverse myelitis, Bells' Palsy multiple sclerosis, autism, and Guillain-Barre.
There are already reported cases of Bells' Palsy and transverse myelitis and even death with the COVID-19 "vaccine." The FDA limited the Phase 3 trials and shortened the traditional trial periods from 24 months to 2 months. Now, we are the subjects of the study without knowing all of the risks.
10. Results of the "vaccine" trials were reported with less than 200 people. The trials started with ~43,000, but only 170 people were included in the conclusions that the vaccine was effective at lessening symptoms. Another manufacturer started with 30,000 participants. Efficacy was calculated based on less than 200 individuals.
Is an analysis of less than 200 people enough to draw conclusions for billions?
11. The pharmaceutical companies and those who administer it are not liable for any damages related to complications of the experimental "vaccine." The pharmaceutical companies no longer have liability for their products. Physicians or pharmacies who administer the vaccines have no liability either.
What could go wrong with that?
12. The vaccine should be compared to other therapeutic medications to treat symptoms to determine risk vs benefits of the drug. Whenever you take any medication, ask yourself, is the risk of taking this medication worth the benefit? If the "vaccine" can only lessen symptoms, it should be compared to other medications that do the same, like Tylenol or hydroxychloroquine.
The latter wins the risk vs benefit comparison hands down.
I remain...
committed to your health,
Shelley G. Cole, MD
This is a whole new level of idiocy here. First, what does "clinician" mean to you? What's your specific credential?
Ok, line by line of why this is BS:
1. False statement- stopping community transmission was outside the parameters of the trial. The original study question was "will this keep people out of the hospital?" now that they have that answer, they're looking at community transmission which will take more data and time to prove. There's a huge difference between "hasn't been proven by data yet" and "does not happen."
2.see above
3. Vaccine actually causes a greater immune response than natural infection.
4. This point shows a complete and total lack of understanding of vaccines. Many vaccines use live-attenuated viruses which infect the cells, but are a weakened strain that doesn't cause symptoms. They work in the same way in that they make the body's cells make viral proteins which trigger immune response. With your beloved "natural immunity" cells are injected with viral mRNA and make viral proteins. Just like the mRNA vaccine (except the vaccine doesn't code all of the proteins. All immune responses to infection EVER have been the body "attacking something our cells have made."
5. There are questions about safety in hospice patients after a series of adverse reactions in Norway. The issue is worth looking into, but thousands of nursing home residents here have received it with no issue.
6. If you have those reports, I am sincerely interested in reading them
7. Hydroxychloroquine didn't pan out in placebo controlled trials. If there are 230 studies, I challenge you to show me 5.
8. The death rate is not the only marker to be concerned about. There are long term complications (myocarditis, pulmonary fibrosis, complications from VTE) occurring in some people with the virus. Why are the long term effects of a vaccine somehow inherently scarier you than the long term effects of a new virus?
9. Yes, there are serious potential reactions to ANY vaccine. They happen an extremely small percentage of the time. Everyone gets hung up on Bells Palsy for some reason, but it's a documented complication of covid infection too.
10. False. Not a misleading statement, or convenient omission, just a 100 percent lie. I've read the studies and that is horsesh*t.
11. That sounds sketchy until you think about the bigger picture. We're trying to vaccinate hundreds of millions of people in this country. Statistically, with that many, a few will have bad reactions, as they would with ANY treatment (including placebo!). If anyone who had any ill effect could sue the deep pockets of the drug company for tens of millions of dollars, there would be no incentive to develope vaccines in the first place. They wouldn't exist.
12. See #1. Comparing the vaccine to tylenol is absurd, and hydroxychloroquine doesn't measure up.
So why is it that a single doctor who agrees with you is the Gold Standard of evidence, but the consensus opinion of every single professional organization of doctors doesn't matter to you? It's called confirmation bias. You latch onto evidence that supports your world view without giving it appropriate scrutiny.
Interesting - My view based on info provided is if you are age 50 & older the Moderna & Pfiizer version of the experimental vaccine the potential down side of the experimental Vid vaccine, 60 & older & I would be even more open minded & likewise even more open minded about the vaccine. Yea a lot we do not know about the vaccines. Truth to be told there is a lot more we do not know about short & especially long term effects of the China Virus.
What I wish we were digging into deeper into is what are communities of the Philippines & Australia are doing substantially better in terms of slowing the spread. Or is Canada really doing substantially better in slowing the spread than the USA & if so why.
I took the first shot, and in about 2 1/2 weeks will take the second shot. As with anything else, there are "experts" on both sides of the argument, and both sides can present what might be considered a valid argument. I based my decision on the overwhelmingly number of "experts" who endorse taking the vaccine, over those who don't.
You're what Communists call a "useful idiot" and will make a good subject for our new Socialist government.
"I based my decision on the overwhelmingly number of "experts" who endorse taking the vaccine, over those who don't."
Do your own research! Like looking at the the "vaccine" maker's websites. I looked at Pfizer's website a few days ago and their animal studies found that these "experimental gene therapy" shots will give you ZERO immunity from COVID-19 even after both shots.
This thread didn't go into the bogus PCR tests but if you look at the FDA's website and read about it you'll find out that a positive PCR test result doesn't mean you are infected and a negative PCR test result doesn't mean your aren't infected. A positive test result is a "case". The guy who invented this test says it was intended to be used for research only and not diagnosis. Everybody including Fauci knows that if you cycle (magnify) the test samples more than 35 times you start getting false positive results so it's very to create false positives. Corrupt governments around the world are using this test to keep the new case numbers very high to justify lockdowns and quarantines.
2. The experimental "vaccine" only lessens symptoms. The reported effective rates of over 90%, is in reference to minimizing symptoms, NOT immunizing you against the virus. That is why the CDC is still recommending wearing the mask after you take the "vaccine." You are still at risk of getting the virus.
Which is what cold medicine does. Lots of people front get along with cold medicine. And could medicine allows you to burn more energy and not rest like you should.. The results in the cold lasting longer and the infecting spreading it around more...
Great a experimental study which you don't get paid for and you waive all of your rights of redress.
You all know that I am a clinician, I take care of patients. That is my first priority. So, when time is left over, I can write. There hasn't been any time to communicate lately. Today, however, I need to get some information out urgently.
Please realize that this message should not be taken lightly and dismissed. In the last few days, I have heard that some patients have been approached to take the vaccine. I'm going to break this down to the top 12 items you need to know about the COVID19 vaccine before drawing any conclusions.
In an attempt to inform you, though, I am not speaking to you specifically as a patient, here are some of important facts you need to know. Then, being informed, you can make your decision to take it or leave it.
1. It is not a vaccine. It does not contribute to vaccinated herd immunity. Vaccines are a specialized medicine that are given to healthy people to stop them from getting a disease. Vaccines are given to prevent transmission of a virus. The COVID-19 vaccine does not stop you from getting the virus. It has not been proven to prevent transmission. It is not a vaccine.
Because it is not preventing transmission of the virus, it does not achieve vaccinated herd immunity.
2. The experimental "vaccine" only lessens symptoms. The reported effective rates of over 90%, is in reference to minimizing symptoms, NOT immunizing you against the virus. That is why the CDC is still recommending wearing the mask after you take the "vaccine." You are still at risk of getting the virus.
3. You do not need to be vaccinated if you have already contracted COVID-19. After you have contracted COVID-19 there is one silver lining... you don't need to be vaccinated. You already have the most robust immune response possible, your natural immune system which is best.
There may be those who argue that you could contract COVID-19 again. Yet, if we look back over history, we find that there is nothing better than the body making the antibodies naturally. Don't forget, you can always support the immune system with Vitamin D and Vitamin C, zinc and quercetin.
The new "vaccine" was purposely studied in those who had not contracted COVID-19 previously, that is expected. So, for those who had COVID-19 and had symptoms or not, taking the "vaccine" is exposing you to a risk that has not been studied. We do not know how the immune system will respond.
4. The "experimental vaccine" uses new technology. No other vaccine currently available is like it. All current and past vaccines use antigens, a protein substance that the body detects as a pathogen, something that is foreign to us. Some of the COVID-19 vaccines use a modified virus to program our cells to make an antigen. Then, after our cells make the antigen, our immune system fights against it.
For the first time, the immune system is trying to attack something our bodies have made. Will the body consider it "self" or "non-self?" This needs to be studied in great measure before subjecting the public to it. The ramifications of autoimmune disease could be great.
The previous unsuccessful attempts to create a vaccine against SARS-CoV, MERS-CoV and RSV, all coronaviruses, raised similar concerns of antibody-dependent enhancement, or ADE
Understand, you are agreeing to be in a study when you take the COVID19 vaccine. The previous trials did not include people of all age groups. During the Phase 3 trials, healthy individuals were studied, so we do not know what how this medication will affect the young, old or those with medical conditions.
5. The "vaccine" may make you sicker than if you hadn't taken it, especially the elderly. The vaccine may cause a paradoxical reaction, called ADE Antibody-dependent enhancement. One type of antibodies, non-neutralizing (or enhanced antibodies) actually aide entry of virus into the cell. It is like a trojan horse, escorting the virus into the cell and increasing the viral load inside the cell.
If the person is infected later with the virus, they can have an even more serious reaction than if they hadn't taken the vaccine altogether. Studies show that the elderly may be even more prone to ADE.
"Thus, to conclude, treating physicians need to be wary of the fact that reinfection might be a possible outcome in COVID‐19 patients which may lead to a more severe presentations rather than an innocuous symptoms which the patient initially manifest with."
6. Reports of inflammation have been identified at the placenta of women who become pregnant after the vaccination. Caution if you desire future pregnancies. The "vaccine" is designed to create antibodies to attack the viral s-protein. It is very similar genetically to the proteins made by the placenta. Some reported cases of inflammation have occurred. I urge extreme caution for those of you that desire future pregnancies. This reaction could affect future childbearing. We just do not know. The "vaccine" has not been studied thoroughly in pregnant women.
7. There are effective, safe, affordable prevention and treatment medications for COVID-19. During the pandemic, well over 230 studies have shown that hydroxychloroquine is a safe effective affordable medication to prevent and treat COVID-19. Additional supplements including Vitamin D, Vitamin C, Quercetin and Zinc have all been found to beneficial in the treatment of COVID-19. For the cost of over the counter supplements, and a very affordable medication, usually less than $25, the majority of people can be treated. Doesn't it make sense to take something previously used for decades?
8. Deaths due to COVID-19 do not justify the approval an "experimental vaccine." We now know the death rate for COVID-19 in all ages in the US. The death rate is less than 1% for those younger than 70 years of age. 80% of deaths are over the age of 70 with additional diseases associated. We know that 94% of COVID-19 deaths reported in the US have 2+ additional medical conditions contributing to the total death reported as COVID-19 deaths. Great news! The death rate is very low for most people.
We should focus on the high risk group, those over 70 with multiple diseases to protect from COVID-19. Allowing low risk groups to get the virus, will protect those at risk. Natural herd immunity decreases the risk of exposure for those at high risk.
Deaths due to COVID-19 for the majority of ages is similar to the flu. Would you be willing to take the measures you currently are taking for COVID-19 for the flu?
9. The known risks of vaccines can be serious. Vaccines currently available have reported know risks including neurological diseases such as transverse myelitis, Bells' Palsy multiple sclerosis, autism, and Guillain-Barre.
There are already reported cases of Bells' Palsy and transverse myelitis and even death with the COVID-19 "vaccine." The FDA limited the Phase 3 trials and shortened the traditional trial periods from 24 months to 2 months. Now, we are the subjects of the study without knowing all of the risks.
10. Results of the "vaccine" trials were reported with less than 200 people. The trials started with ~43,000, but only 170 people were included in the conclusions that the vaccine was effective at lessening symptoms. Another manufacturer started with 30,000 participants. Efficacy was calculated based on less than 200 individuals.
Is an analysis of less than 200 people enough to draw conclusions for billions?
11. The pharmaceutical companies and those who administer it are not liable for any damages related to complications of the experimental "vaccine." The pharmaceutical companies no longer have liability for their products. Physicians or pharmacies who administer the vaccines have no liability either.
What could go wrong with that?
12. The vaccine should be compared to other therapeutic medications to treat symptoms to determine risk vs benefits of the drug. Whenever you take any medication, ask yourself, is the risk of taking this medication worth the benefit? If the "vaccine" can only lessen symptoms, it should be compared to other medications that do the same, like Tylenol or hydroxychloroquine.
The latter wins the risk vs benefit comparison hands down.
I remain...
committed to your health,
Shelley G. Cole, MD
This is a whole new level of idiocy here. First, what does "clinician" mean to you? What's your specific credential?
Ok, line by line of why this is BS:
1. False statement- stopping community transmission was outside the parameters of the trial. The original study question was "will this keep people out of the hospital?" now that they have that answer, they're looking at community transmission which will take more data and time to prove. There's a huge difference between "hasn't been proven by data yet" and "does not happen."
2.see above
3. Vaccine actually causes a greater immune response than natural infection.
4. This point shows a complete and total lack of understanding of vaccines. Many vaccines use live-attenuated viruses which infect the cells, but are a weakened strain that doesn't cause symptoms. They work in the same way in that they make the body's cells make viral proteins which trigger immune response. With your beloved "natural immunity" cells are injected with viral mRNA and make viral proteins. Just like the mRNA vaccine (except the vaccine doesn't code all of the proteins. All immune responses to infection EVER have been the body "attacking something our cells have made."
5. There are questions about safety in hospice patients after a series of adverse reactions in Norway. The issue is worth looking into, but thousands of nursing home residents here have received it with no issue.
6. If you have those reports, I am sincerely interested in reading them
7. Hydroxychloroquine didn't pan out in placebo controlled trials. If there are 230 studies, I challenge you to show me 5.
8. The death rate is not the only marker to be concerned about. There are long term complications (myocarditis, pulmonary fibrosis, complications from VTE) occurring in some people with the virus. Why are the long term effects of a vaccine somehow inherently scarier you than the long term effects of a new virus?
9. Yes, there are serious potential reactions to ANY vaccine. They happen an extremely small percentage of the time. Everyone gets hung up on Bells Palsy for some reason, but it's a documented complication of covid infection too.
10. False. Not a misleading statement, or convenient omission, just a 100 percent lie. I've read the studies and that is horsesh*t.
11. That sounds sketchy until you think about the bigger picture. We're trying to vaccinate hundreds of millions of people in this country. Statistically, with that many, a few will have bad reactions, as they would with ANY treatment (including placebo!). If anyone who had any ill effect could sue the deep pockets of the drug company for tens of millions of dollars, there would be no incentive to develope vaccines in the first place. They wouldn't exist.
12. See #1. Comparing the vaccine to tylenol is absurd, and hydroxychloroquine doesn't measure up.
So why is it that a single doctor who agrees with you is the Gold Standard of evidence, but the consensus opinion of every single professional organization of doctors doesn't matter to you? It's called confirmation bias. You latch onto evidence that supports your world view without giving it appropriate scrutiny.
Who in the fu c k are you and why should you care whether "we" take the shots or not? Weird.
I took the first shot, and in about 2 1/2 weeks will take the second shot. As with anything else, there are "experts" on both sides of the argument, and both sides can present what might be considered a valid argument. I based my decision on the overwhelmingly number of "experts" who endorse taking the vaccine, over those who don't.
You're what Communists call a "useful idiot" and will make good subject for our new Socialist government.
"I based my decision on the overwhelmingly number of "experts" who endorse taking the vaccine, over those who don't."
Do your own research! Like looking at the the "vaccine" maker's websites. I looked at Pfizer's website a few days ago and their animal studies found that these "experimental gene therapy" shots will give you ZERO immunity from COVID-19 even after both shots.
This thread didn't go into the bogus PCR tests but if you look at the FDA's website and read about it you'll find out that a positive PCR test result doesn't mean you are infected and a negative PCR test result doesn't mean your aren't infected. A positive test result is a "case". The guy who invented this test says it was intended to be used for research only and not diagnosis. Everybody including Fauci knows that if you cycle (magnify) the test samples more than 35 times you start getting false positive results so it's very to create false positives. Corrupt governments around the world are using this test to keep the new case numbers very high to justify lockdowns and quarantines.
Ivermectin is experimental at this point with covid. Despite what someone’s gut feeling or OAN news’s said. Since everybody is so dang smart here I assume they can read and understand this article.
I have 3 grandkids playing sports this year and have missed a lot of their games because of the PCR test.
1) My 12 year old grandson plays football and basketball. With 3 games left in the football season one of the coaches had a positive PCR test and all the coaches and players were quarantined and sent home for 3 weeks. It ended the season. Now he's playing basketball and only the parents are allowed to attend the games.
2) My 12 year old granddaughter plays volleyball, softball and basketball and I was only able to attend a few of the home games.
3) My 14 year granddaughter old just plays volleyball for now. I'm trying to convince her to play basketball, run track and play softball, She made the varsity high school basketball team this year and I was able to attend a few home games but very few away games. They made the playoffs but lost the first game. There were only 40 spectators per side allowed at playoff games. They're playing practice games and tournaments now but only the parents are only allowed to attend. Last week one of her teammates got a positive PCR test and now the whole team and coaches are quarantined at home for 3 weeks. I asked my Granddaughter if her teammate was really sick and she told me she had some sinus congestion, a slight sore throat and was sneezing/coughing a little but she felt fine, had no fever and had no problem practicing. I get those exact symptoms when the cedar pollen and mold counts are real high. Both counts have both been high for several weeks.
There are NO FDA approved treatments for C-19 disease.
The two most effective treatments are well established medications and are too inexpensive to motivate a big pharma company to spend the money needed to get FDA approval.
This is a whole new level of idiocy here. First, what does "clinician" mean to you? What's your specific credential?
It's apparent you don't want to do anything other than smear her, simply looking at how you began your post.
Look at where she signed the damn thing, where she clarified her specific credential.
Seems the idiocy is in your mirror. It's better for all of us if you keep it there.
I'm not here to smear anyone, I'm here to object to the lies that are paraded around as science to unquestioning people.
The points she made are demonstratively and objectively false. Someone has to call out this kind of garbage.
She is a practicing clinician and an MD, meaning that she currently sees patients. What you are doing is libeling her.
Let's look at what passes for demonstrative and objective truth, let's say over the past 20 years, in another politically charged issue: catastrophic global warming. At least that's what it was called. But the science was settled. There was consensus. Obama dumped over half a trillion dollars into fraud companies that did nothing but walk away with the money because of it. Eventually, they couldn't even find scientists to ape the narrative, because it was manifestly so absurd, and none of its predictions had occurred. So they changed the name to man-made climate change, and have proceeded to call seasonal changes in the weather an inevitable extinction of humans unless we give all our freedoms away and live like it's the Dark Ages.
Tell me more about "demonstrative and objective truth". And make it fuucking believable this time, because I am tired of the overt absurdity of the whole [bleep] thing that requires 24/7 hammering on all media everywhere for anyone to believe it.
Ok, i just heard from a very good friend who i told to call Dr Cole Friday as she was sick with fever and started having trouble breathing. She did and, being sick, was put on the phone with Dr Cole who visited with her and called in an Rx for Hydroxychloroquine and Zithro. She stressed that she get Zinc SULFATE and friend got it also from pharmacy. Started meds Friday evening and just now told me the treatement is a miracle as she was getting scared Fri but could tell she was getting better Saturday AM. I just talked to her and she said she is feeling good today.
I had severe asthma as a child and after i was age 55. Essentially every year since age 30 i started getting bronchitis once or twice a year. I went for decades here in West Texas having difficulty in the spring Mulberry, Oak pollen season and in the fall broomweed and ragweed season. Years ago i would quit deer hunting in the cedar canyon country near the Pecos River until a couple of freezes hit due to meds not able to counteract the tons of cedar pollen exploding from them.
Once or twice a year, fall and spring, for decades i would get bronchitis and have misery having to get on 50 mg prednisone every other day and usually on an antibiotic to get through it. Coughing up yellow green crud and 2-3 weeks to get over it.
I got on the prophylactic dose of Hydroxychloroquine last Feb and take 2 a week along with Zinc Sulfate, D3, black elderberry, NAC and for the first time in 35 years havent had a cold or bronchitis and i had almost no problem this year with the spring or fall pollen. Im beginning to wonder if this stuff prevents colds and flu. Of course, wearing a mask and cleaning hands and using cleaner after gassing the truck may have also helped.
For those interested im posting the pic of the tx plan sent to my friend.
I took the first shot, and in about 2 1/2 weeks will take the second shot. As with anything else, there are "experts" on both sides of the argument, and both sides can present what might be considered a valid argument. I based my decision on the overwhelmingly number of "experts" who endorse taking the vaccine, over those who don't.
You're what Communists call a "useful idiot" and will make good subject for our new Socialist government.
"I based my decision on the overwhelmingly number of "experts" who endorse taking the vaccine, over those who don't."
Do your own research! Like looking at the the "vaccine" maker's websites. I looked at Pfizer's website a few days ago and their animal studies found that these "experimental gene therapy" shots will give you ZERO immunity from COVID-19 even after both shots.
This thread didn't go into the bogus PCR tests but if you look at the FDA's website and read about it you'll find out that a positive PCR test result doesn't mean you are infected and a negative PCR test result doesn't mean your aren't infected. A positive test result is a "case". The guy who invented this test says it was intended to be used for research only and not diagnosis. Everybody including Fauci knows that if you cycle (magnify) the test samples more than 35 times you start getting false positive results so it's very to create false positives. Corrupt governments around the world are using this test to keep the new case numbers very high to justify lockdowns and quarantines.
Victoro...you nailed it. That's dude's retarded.
Personally, I don't give a damn whether or not anyone that posts on here, or anyone else for that matter, takes the vaccine or does not take it. It's your choice, and NO ONE else's. However, as far as I'm concerned, maybe the COVID would be a good way to reduce the number of narrow minded fools, that believe there is a bogeyman behind every tree, and that the government invented this whole thing, just to get control of us.
I'll bet that if that bogeyman did exist, and jumped out from behind that tree and said "boo" to ole Ethan and those like him, they'd chit their britches and cry like a baby.............lol.
There are NO FDA approved treatments for C-19 disease.
The two most effective treatments are well established medications and are too inexpensive to motivate a big pharma company to spend the money needed to get FDA approval.
I took the first shot, and in about 2 1/2 weeks will take the second shot. As with anything else, there are "experts" on both sides of the argument, and both sides can present what might be considered a valid argument. I based my decision on the overwhelmingly number of "experts" who endorse taking the vaccine, over those who don't.
You're what Communists call a "useful idiot" and will make good subject for our new Socialist government.
"I based my decision on the overwhelmingly number of "experts" who endorse taking the vaccine, over those who don't."
Do your own research! Like looking at the the "vaccine" maker's websites. I looked at Pfizer's website a few days ago and their animal studies found that these "experimental gene therapy" shots will give you ZERO immunity from COVID-19 even after both shots.
This thread didn't go into the bogus PCR tests but if you look at the FDA's website and read about it you'll find out that a positive PCR test result doesn't mean you are infected and a negative PCR test result doesn't mean your aren't infected. A positive test result is a "case". The guy who invented this test says it was intended to be used for research only and not diagnosis. Everybody including Fauci knows that if you cycle (magnify) the test samples more than 35 times you start getting false positive results so it's very to create false positives. Corrupt governments around the world are using this test to keep the new case numbers very high to justify lockdowns and quarantines.
Victoro...you nailed it. That's dude's retarded.
Personally, I don't give a damn whether or not anyone that posts on here, or anyone else for that matter, takes the vaccine or does not take it. It's your choice, and NO ONE else's. However, as far as I'm concerned, maybe the COVID would be a good way to reduce the number of narrow minded fools, that believe there is a bogeyman behind every tree, and that the government invented this whole thing, just to get control of us.
I'll bet that if that bogeyman did exist, and jumped out from behind that tree and said "boo" to ole Ethan and those like him, they'd chit their britches and cry like a baby.............lol.
Personally I dont care if you get a vaccine injection every day, James. Take care and God bless.
Calling out a falsehood and questioning a credential is hardly libel. She is making baseless claims counter to the position of her professional organization (ACOG), and I think those deserve to be questioned.
Your climate change argument is a straw-man argument. This is a different matter. If you have evidence to support her claims, I'd love to see it.
If the "vaccine" doesn't allow everything to open with herd immunity, why would anyone be taking something new and rushed through trials for a disease with a 99.7% survival rate?????
Ok, i just heard from a very good friend who i told to call Dr Cole Friday as she was sick with fever and started having trouble breathing. She did and, being sick, was put on the phone with Dr Cole who visited with her and called in an Rx for Hydroxychloroquine and Zithro. She stressed that she get Zinc SULFATE and friend got it also from pharmacy. Started meds Friday evening and just now told me the treatement is a miracle as she was getting scared Fri but could tell she was getting better Saturday AM. I just talked to her and she said she is feeling good today.
I had severe asthma as a child and after i was age 55. Essentially every year since age 30 i started getting bronchitis once or twice a year. I went for decades here in West Texas having difficulty in the spring Mulberry, Oak pollen season and in the fall broomweed and ragweed season. Years ago i would quit deer hunting in the cedar canyon country near the Pecos River until a couple of freezes hit due to meds not able to counteract the tons of cedar pollen exploding from them.
Once or twice a year, fall and spring, for decades i would get bronchitis and have misery having to get on 50 mg prednisone every other day and usually on an antibiotic to get through it. Coughing up yellow green crud and 2-3 weeks to get over it.
I got on the prophylactic dose of Hydroxychloroquine last Feb and take 2 a week along with Zinc Sulfate, D3, black elderberry, NAC and for the first time in 35 years havent had a cold or bronchitis and i had almost no problem this year with the spring or fall pollen. Im beginning to wonder if this stuff prevents colds and flu. Of course, wearing a mask and cleaning hands and using cleaner after gassing the truck may have also helped.
For those interested im posting the pic of the tx plan sent to my friend.
I'm not a med pro like Elksalyer but from my understanding the Hydroxychloraquine simply makes the cells able to be penetrated by the zinc. The zinc is what actually kills the COVID, but it is much less effective at penetrating the cells without the Hydroxy.
If the "vaccine" doesn't allow everything to open with herd immunity, why would anyone be taking something new and rushed through trials for a disease with a 99.7% survival rate?????
Fear, lack of knowledge? Remember, there are many, if not most, areas in the US, if you are old or compromised and get the C 19 disease, you have a good chance of going to a dr or hospital and being sent home with tylenol and to return if you get deathly ill and if that happens you will be put on a respirator and likely die for no good reason as you wont be treated adequately.
Its pretty scarey to realize you cant trust drs or hispitals who toe the Chinese WHO dictates.
I took the first shot, and in about 2 1/2 weeks will take the second shot. As with anything else, there are "experts" on both sides of the argument, and both sides can present what might be considered a valid argument. I based my decision on the overwhelmingly number of "experts" who endorse taking the vaccine, over those who don't.
You're what Communists call a "useful idiot" and will make good subject for our new Socialist government.
"I based my decision on the overwhelmingly number of "experts" who endorse taking the vaccine, over those who don't."
Do your own research! Like looking at the the "vaccine" maker's websites. I looked at Pfizer's website a few days ago and their animal studies found that these "experimental gene therapy" shots will give you ZERO immunity from COVID-19 even after both shots.
This thread didn't go into the bogus PCR tests but if you look at the FDA's website and read about it you'll find out that a positive PCR test result doesn't mean you are infected and a negative PCR test result doesn't mean your aren't infected. A positive test result is a "case". The guy who invented this test says it was intended to be used for research only and not diagnosis. Everybody including Fauci knows that if you cycle (magnify) the test samples more than 35 times you start getting false positive results so it's very to create false positives. Corrupt governments around the world are using this test to keep the new case numbers very high to justify lockdowns and quarantines.
Victoro...you nailed it. That's dude's retarded.
Personally, I don't give a damn whether or not anyone that posts on here, or anyone else for that matter, takes the vaccine or does not take it. It's your choice, and NO ONE else's. However, as far as I'm concerned, maybe the COVID would be a good way to reduce the number of narrow minded fools, that believe there is a bogeyman behind every tree, and that the government invented this whole thing, just to get control of us.
I'll bet that if that bogeyman did exist, and jumped out from behind that tree and said "boo" to ole Ethan and those like him, they'd chit their britches and cry like a baby.............lol.
You're a pretty good old boy James. Hell, I like you. This is especially true when you don't post anything. When you aren't posting, then you're not posting stupid shixt.
If the "vaccine" doesn't allow everything to open with herd immunity, why would anyone be taking something new and rushed through trials for a disease with a 99.7% survival rate?????
Fear, lack of knowledge? Remember, there are many, if not most, areas in the US, if you are old or compromised and get the C 19 disease, you have a good chance of going to a dr or hospital and being sent home with tylenol and to return if you get deathly ill and if that happens you will be put on a respirator and likely die for no good reason as you wont be treated adequately.
Its pretty scarey to realize you cant trust drs or hispitals who toe the Chinese WHO dictates.
The country has been moving in this direction all along. You really couldn't trust politicians, the news media, the justice system or doctors before...now you just know it.
"9. The known risks of vaccines can be serious. Vaccines currently available have reported know risks including neurological diseases such as transverse myelitis, Bells' Palsy multiple sclerosis, autism, and Guillain-Barre.
There are already reported cases of Bells' Palsy and transverse myelitis and even death with the COVID-19 "vaccine." The FDA limited the Phase 3 trials and shortened the traditional trial periods from 24 months to 2 months. Now, we are the subjects of the study without knowing all of the risks."
This is a whole new level of idiocy here. First, what does "clinician" mean to you? What's your specific credential?
So why is it that a single doctor who agrees with you is the Gold Standard of evidence, but the consensus opinion of every single professional organization of doctors doesn't matter to you? It's called confirmation bias. You latch onto evidence that supports your world view without giving it appropriate scrutiny.
You are so full of scheit.
You want proof? Here, is a F'ing Meta-Analysis good enough for you mr. brown shirt nazi?
Just be sure and review the bottom two charts REAL GOOD mr. brown shirt, because they drive a stake through your dead brain cells.
And if a F'ing Meta-analysis isn't good enough for you mr. brown shirt, how about a website of doctors around the WHOLE WORLD documenting Ivermectin works:
Ivermectin is experimental at this point with covid. Despite what someone’s gut feeling or OAN news’s said. Since everybody is so dang smart here I assume they can read and understand this article.
I've seen too many people on TV who I have concluded are evil advocating the vaccine. Also, I've seen social media platforms who have been practicing evil censoring all discussion of COVID that deviates from the official narrative.
I don't trust hardly anybody who is allowed to have a voice these days,...concerning COVID or anything else.
The entire official narrative of the whole world is a pack of lies.
I've seen too many people on TV who I have concluded are evil advocating the vaccine. Also, I've seen social media platforms who have been practicing evil censoring all discussion of COVID that deviates from the official narrative.
I don't trust hardly anybody who is allowed to have a voice these days,...concerning COVID or anything else.
The entire official narrative of the whole world is a pack of lies.
I've seen too many people on TV who I have concluded are evil, advocating the vaccine. Also, I've seen social media platforms who have been practicing evil by censoring all discussion of COVID that deviates from the official narrative.
I don't trust hardly anybody who is ‘allowed’ to have a voice these days,...concerning COVID or anything else.
The entire official narrative of the whole world is a pack of lies.
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One minute Joe Biden is calling 100 million Americans white supremacist terrorists.
The next minute he's telling those 100 million people to go get some stuff injected into them.
Sounds like they'll just leave these inconvenient deaths off of the records of these trials. Hank Aaron was likely going to keel over any day anyhow as well. He was just so frail, they expected him to die of "frailness" in mere days. 😉
Calling out a falsehood and questioning a credential is hardly libel. She is making baseless claims counter to the position of her professional organization (ACOG), and I think those deserve to be questioned.
Your climate change argument is a straw-man argument. This is a different matter. If you have evidence to support her claims, I'd love to see it.
You have yet to "call out a falsehood", and you wrongly "questioned a credential" that she stated plainly. Like I said, it was obvious from the outset what your motive was, and it was to assassinate her character. You called her an idiot, you ridiculed the notion of her being a "clinician", and then you demanded her credential, as if she didn't give one. You are claiming some rational motive, but the opposite is obvious. You are liar, and a piece of schit, and you're just digging further and further into that hole.
And you wouldn't know a strawman if it kept the crows out of your corn. More bullshit from a liar.
Why did you sign off after you got carpet bombed with facts MTDan?
No, I went ice fishing. We don't have a ton of daylight right now, so you've got to make the most of it.
Meta-analyses are fantastic evidence. They're about as strong as it gets. We're totally in agreement on that. The problem, Elk, is that the summary you posted agrees with me. For almost all the hydroxychloroquine studies, the P-value is greater than .05, meaning there is no statistically significant benefit. Please read the slide "Failed and successful Rx by phase of illness" where the author clearly states there is no clear benefit with hydroxychloroquine and a trend toward harm.
You do know that ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine aren't the same drug, right?..... Ivermectin is promising! Hydroxychloroquine, which the original doc touted, is snake-oil.
Calling out a falsehood and questioning a credential is hardly libel. She is making baseless claims counter to the position of her professional organization (ACOG), and I think those deserve to be questioned.
Your climate change argument is a straw-man argument. This is a different matter. If you have evidence to support her claims, I'd love to see it.
You have yet to "call out a falsehood", and you wrongly "questioned a credential" that she stated plainly. Like I said, it was obvious from the outset what your motive was, and it was to assassinate her character. You called her an idiot, you ridiculed the notion of her being a "clinician", and then you demanded her credential, as if she didn't give one. You are claiming some rational motive, but the opposite is obvious. You are liar, and a piece of schit, and you're just digging further and further into that hole.
And you wouldn't know a strawman if it kept the crows out of your corn. More bullshit from a liar.
I called out several false and misleading statements from the OP. There's a big difference between refuting statements and questioning someone's authority on an issue, and "character assassination"
I called out several false and misleading statements from the OP. There's a big difference between refuting statements and questioning someone's authority on an issue, and "character assassination"
Tell me who you trust concerning the vaccine. What are their credentials? How long have you known them?
I trust my professional organization The American Association of Family Practitioners who endorsed the CDCs assessment of the vaccines. I trust the Infectious Disease Society of America, which also supports vaccination. I trust my own ability to read the studies from primary sources and assess the data.
I trust my professional organization The American Association of Family Practitioners who endorsed the CDCs assessment of the vaccines. I trust the Infectious Disease Society of America, which also supports vaccination. I trust my own ability to read the studies from primary sources and assess the data.
So you only have the official narrative.
Why do you believe the official narrative when so many official narratives have been proven to be lies?
I suppose you might be right. I suppose every single organization of physicians on the planet might be in on some vast conspiracy. That's always possible I guess.
I guess the other part is that I've yet to see an antivaxer give a convincing argument. They're full of wild assumptions, mistakes in high-schools level biology, and completely without data. Every. Single. Time.
I suppose you might be right. I suppose every single organization of physicians on the planet might be in on some vast conspiracy. That's always possible I guess.
I guess the other part is that I've yet to see an antivaxer give a convincing argument. They're full of wild assumptions, mistakes in high-schools level biology, and completely without data. Every. Single. Time.
I'm not an antivaxer. It's just that I don't trust what's being said by the current power structure.
I don't trust any institution which censors discussion of any matter,...and there's a vast amount of censoring going on today concerning COVID.
Also, there's a vast amount of conflicting information being presented within the official narrative.
In my opinion, it's meant to keep people confused and afraid.
Why did you sign off after you got carpet bombed with facts MTDan?
No, I went ice fishing. We don't have a ton of daylight right now, so you've got to make the most of it.
Meta-analyses are fantastic evidence. They're about as strong as it gets. We're totally in agreement on that. The problem, Elk, is that the summary you posted agrees with me. For almost all the hydroxychloroquine studies, the P-value is greater than .05, meaning there is no statistically significant benefit. Please read the slide "Failed and successful Rx by phase of illness" where the author clearly states there is no clear benefit with hydroxychloroquine and a trend toward harm.
You do know that ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine aren't the same drug, right?..... Ivermectin is promising! Hydroxychloroquine, which the original doc touted, is snake-oil.
Where in my post to you did I mention HCQ? I'll save you time from looking, nada.
But you inject it into your reply to me, and basically completely ignore all of the hard data I presented concerning Invermectin to ignore the fact.
Where in my post do you get the idea I don't understand HCQ and Ivermectin are two different drugs when there was no mention of HCQ whatsoever?
Straight up obfuscation by you, and a waste of my time.
You're a brown shirt participating in a genocide of the citizens, a Crime against Humanity, by pushing an ILLEGAL VACCINE that was illegally granted a EUA.
I trust my professional organization The American Association of Family Practitioners who endorsed the CDCs assessment of the vaccines. I trust the Infectious Disease Society of America, which also supports vaccination. I trust my own ability to read the studies from primary sources and assess the data.
So, your source of truth is the very organizations who have perpetrated this fraud..and lied to the whole world.
Ok, i just heard from a very good friend who i told to call Dr Cole Friday as she was sick with fever and started having trouble breathing. She did and, being sick, was put on the phone with Dr Cole who visited with her and called in an Rx for Hydroxychloroquine and Zithro. She stressed that she get Zinc SULFATE and friend got it also from pharmacy. Started meds Friday evening and just now told me the treatement is a miracle as she was getting scared Fri but could tell she was getting better Saturday AM. I just talked to her and she said she is feeling good today.
I had severe asthma as a child and after i was age 55. Essentially every year since age 30 i started getting bronchitis once or twice a year. I went for decades here in West Texas having difficulty in the spring Mulberry, Oak pollen season and in the fall broomweed and ragweed season. Years ago i would quit deer hunting in the cedar canyon country near the Pecos River until a couple of freezes hit due to meds not able to counteract the tons of cedar pollen exploding from them.
Once or twice a year, fall and spring, for decades i would get bronchitis and have misery having to get on 50 mg prednisone every other day and usually on an antibiotic to get through it. Coughing up yellow green crud and 2-3 weeks to get over it.
I got on the prophylactic dose of Hydroxychloroquine last Feb and take 2 a week along with Zinc Sulfate, D3, black elderberry, NAC and for the first time in 35 years havent had a cold or bronchitis and i had almost no problem this year with the spring or fall pollen. Im beginning to wonder if this stuff prevents colds and flu. Of course, wearing a mask and cleaning hands and using cleaner after gassing the truck may have also helped.
For those interested im posting the pic of the tx plan sent to my friend.
I'm not a med pro like Elksalyer but from my understanding the Hydroxychloraquine simply makes the cells able to be penetrated by the zinc. The zinc is what actually kills the COVID, but it is much less effective at penetrating the cells without the Hydroxy.
Ok, i just heard from a very good friend who i told to call Dr Cole Friday as she was sick with fever and started having trouble breathing. She did and, being sick, was put on the phone with Dr Cole who visited with her and called in an Rx for Hydroxychloroquine and Zithro. She stressed that she get Zinc SULFATE and friend got it also from pharmacy. Started meds Friday evening and just now told me the treatement is a miracle as she was getting scared Fri but could tell she was getting better Saturday AM. I just talked to her and she said she is feeling good today.
I had severe asthma as a child and after i was age 55. Essentially every year since age 30 i started getting bronchitis once or twice a year. I went for decades here in West Texas having difficulty in the spring Mulberry, Oak pollen season and in the fall broomweed and ragweed season. Years ago i would quit deer hunting in the cedar canyon country near the Pecos River until a couple of freezes hit due to meds not able to counteract the tons of cedar pollen exploding from them.
Once or twice a year, fall and spring, for decades i would get bronchitis and have misery having to get on 50 mg prednisone every other day and usually on an antibiotic to get through it. Coughing up yellow green crud and 2-3 weeks to get over it.
I got on the prophylactic dose of Hydroxychloroquine last Feb and take 2 a week along with Zinc Sulfate, D3, black elderberry, NAC and for the first time in 35 years havent had a cold or bronchitis and i had almost no problem this year with the spring or fall pollen. Im beginning to wonder if this stuff prevents colds and flu. Of course, wearing a mask and cleaning hands and using cleaner after gassing the truck may have also helped.
For those interested im posting the pic of the tx plan sent to my friend.
I'm not a med pro like Elksalyer but from my understanding the Hydroxychloraquine simply makes the cells able to be penetrated by the zinc. The zinc is what actually kills the COVID, but it is much less effective at penetrating the cells without the Hydroxy.
Bristoe, am I obsessed? When something relevant to my profession is center-stage, and people here find no shortage of misinformation to post,is it obsessive to take part in the conversation?
Bristoe, am I obsessed? When something relevant to my profession is center-stage, and people here find no shortage of misinformation to post,is it obsessive to take part in the conversation?
So, you're a Medical "Technician" (MT), and my links of hard evidence are misinformation?
Bristoe, am I obsessed? When something relevant to my profession is center-stage, and people here find no shortage of misinformation to post,is it obsessive to take part in the conversation?
Bottom line: it appears that dangerously misguided research in Wuhan, funded by U.S. taxpayer dollars under the direction of Dr. Fauci, created the virus that is now plaguing the world. The research was allowed to continue by Dr. Fauci despite warnings from 200 prominent scientists that such research was exceedingly dangerous. It may be time to ask whether Dr. Fauci is in the right place at the right time.
Bottom line: it appears that dangerously misguided research in Wuhan, funded by U.S. taxpayer dollars under the direction of Dr. Fauci, created the virus that is now plaguing the world. The research was allowed to continue by Dr. Fauci despite warnings from 200 prominent scientists that such research was exceedingly dangerous. It may be time to ask whether Dr. Fauci is in the right place at the right time.
MTDan, are you aware that Hydroxychloroquine is available OTC in Uganda for malaria and with a population of approximately 45 million they have had, when i last checked, about 120 deaths from C 19.
Tiawan uses it early and with a population of about the 43 million they had less than ten deaths. Iceland uses it early and has less than 10 deaths, iirc.
Bottom line: it appears that dangerously misguided research in Wuhan, funded by U.S. taxpayer dollars under the direction of Dr. Fauci, created the virus that is now plaguing the world. The research was allowed to continue by Dr. Fauci despite warnings from 200 prominent scientists that such research was exceedingly dangerous. It may be time to ask whether Dr. Fauci is in the right place at the right time.
Truth.
The reason for the GOF testing was to develop a vaccine to combat the virus that the GOF testing developed.
MTDan, are you aware that Hydroxychloroquine is available OTC in Uganda for malaria and with a population of approximately 45 million they have had, when i last checked, about 120 deaths from C 19.
Tiawan uses it early and with a population of about the 43 million they had less than ten deaths. Iceland uses it early and has less than 10 deaths, iirc.
Don't overload his brain, and chase him off.....I was saving that fact for later, but thanks for posting it.
Hey mr. MTDan, I wonder why they didn't conduct a study of Lupus patients presently on HCQ, to determine how many got CV-19.
Yeah, that would have blown the fraud to outer orbit too.
Bristoe, I don't have any credential in immunology, just immunology courses in med school. That's why I defer to immunologists/virologists on this issue. The IDSA agrees with me. I trust their expertise.
Jaguar, how effective do you think virus tracking in Uganda is? Am I to understand that you distrust our numbers, but think Uganda's are accurate? Really?.... The gold-standard of medical testing is the double blind placebo controlled trial. HCQ failed that measure. No amount of anecdotal evidence or conjecture will change that. Look at Elk's meta-analysis. It has been tested. It didn't work.
Elk, you call me a brown-shirt for believing the vaccine works, but Jag called the whole thing a Jewish conspiracy and not a word of objection. If your argument predisposes that everyone in a position of expertise is part of a grand conspiracy, you need a new argument.
Bristoe, I believe there's value in hearing opposing positions. I read interesting things people here throw at me. For example, Elk's study has me interested in Ivermectin. They haven't fundementally changed my opinions yet, but they might.
I accept that I could be totally wrong. Anyone who won't admit that is a fool. If I am wrong, I want to find the (real) evidence that I am and change my views accordingly. That's what reasonable people do.
I'm not posting here to antagonize you. I'm not honestly posting to convince you, as I doubt anything I could say would. I post here because I want my views challenged. Being forced to defend, or change, our views is how we grow. Otherwise we're no different than those clamoring for "safe-spaces."
Elk, there is no reasoning with conspiracy theories and unabashed anti-semitism. The degree of hypocrisy you show calling me a brown-shirt for believing in data, while blaming some unseen Zioinist cabal for the nation's problems is astounding. It's almost impressive.
I don't think there's anything left for us to say to each other.
Bristoe, I believe there's value in hearing opposing positions. I read interesting things people here throw at me. For example, Elk's study has me interested in Ivermectin. They haven't fundementally changed my opinions yet, but they might.
I accept that I could be totally wrong. Anyone who won't admit that is a fool. If I am wrong, I want to find the (real) evidence that I am and change my views accordingly. That's what reasonable people do.
I'm not posting here to antagonize you. I'm not honestly posting to convince you, as I doubt anything I could say would. I post here because I want my views challenged. Being forced to defend, or change, our views is how we grow. Otherwise we're no different than those clamoring for "safe-spaces."
Elk, there is no reasoning with conspiracy theories and unabashed anti-semitism. The degree of hypocrisy you show calling me a brown-shirt for believing in data, while blaming some unseen Zioinist cabal for the nation's problems is astounding. It's almost impressive.
I don't think there's anything left for us to say to each other.
I thought our hospitals were being overrun. You have time to fish?
Virus created in China, released to all corners via people not "conspiracy theorists". Its no big deal. Travel like normal.
Masks wont prevent the spread.
We must lock down everything except "essential businesses". Once we do this, we can open up the country.
Everyone needs to wear masks. We can open up more if everyone does this.
Most people will survive if they get it, but we need everyone to wear a mask, everywhere.
The vaccine is coming. The sooner everyone gets it, the sooner we can open up. Do it for the sake of everyone, sign this exemption waiver.
If you arent a conspiracy theorist or at least a doubting Thomas at this point, keep listening to the idiots in charge of this schitshow from day one. PS leave the rest of us alone.
Bristoe, I believe there's value in hearing opposing positions. I read interesting things people here throw at me. For example, Elk's study has me interested in Ivermectin. They haven't fundementally changed my opinions yet, but they might.
I accept that I could be totally wrong. Anyone who won't admit that is a fool. If I am wrong, I want to find the (real) evidence that I am and change my views accordingly. That's what reasonable people do.
I'm not posting here to antagonize you. I'm not honestly posting to convince you, as I doubt anything I could say would. I post here because I want my views challenged. Being forced to defend, or change, our views is how we grow. Otherwise we're no different than those clamoring for "safe-spaces."
So you're an MD?
Of course he's a doctor. That's why he came to an outdoor forum to hear opposing views on CV-19, instead of a medical group, who have standardized proven treatments, where he could learn from his fellow peers.
I took the first shot, and in about 2 1/2 weeks will take the second shot. As with anything else, there are "experts" on both sides of the argument, and both sides can present what might be considered a valid argument. I based my decision on the overwhelmingly number of "experts" who endorse taking the vaccine, over those who don't.
"Experts" is on my top 5 list of despised words used to manipulate a gullible, frightened public, along with "safe," "democracy," "community," and "health."
Show me some empirical data. Show me some qualifications and documented experience. Some talking head on the TV blowing smoke up my azz telling me some other talking head politico (who happens to be heavily invested in both the problem and the solution) is an expert, does not an expert make.
I don't believe half of what I see, and none of what I hear.
My question is always, who benefits?
Answer: A pharmaceutical industry subsidized by my tax dollars and relieved of liability by politicians sucking on same and in turn subsidized via compensation for their endorsement.
You think celebrities and athletes really believe in the products they endorse? Or actually use them?
Meh. They believe in the millions sliding into their pockets. Full stop.
There really are systemic problems in our society; corruption, manipulation, complacency, greed, and willful ignorance.
The vaccine is an even more lucrative racket than the annual flu shot, and that's discounting any darker agenda that might underlie the surface reflections.
Bottom line: it appears that dangerously misguided research in Wuhan, funded by U.S. taxpayer dollars under the direction of Dr. Fauci, created the virus that is now plaguing the world. The research was allowed to continue by Dr. Fauci despite warnings from 200 prominent scientists that such research was exceedingly dangerous. It may be time to ask whether Dr. Fauci is in the right place at the right time.
This information has been out there for a while, but gets no traction in the MSM.
Elk, there is no reasoning with conspiracy theories and unabashed anti-semitism. The degree of hypocrisy you show calling me a brown-shirt for believing in data, while blaming some unseen Zioinist cabal for the nation's problems is astounding. It's almost impressive.
I don't think there's anything left for us to say to each other.
I thought our hospitals were being overrun. You have time to fish?
MTDan, are you aware that Hydroxychloroquine is available OTC in Uganda for malaria and with a population of approximately 45 million they have had, when i last checked, about 120 deaths from C 19.
Tiawan uses it early and with a population of about the 43 million they had less than ten deaths. Iceland uses it early and has less than 10 deaths, iirc.
Those places where Ivermectin is easily available to the population without prescription show similar results. It appears that there are two very effective treatments for COVID19 that have been made extremely hard to acquire in the Western world. The reason for this seems to be that it would cut dramatically into the profit margin of big pharma vis a vis the various experimental (i.e., inadequately tested) "vaccines."
Am I the only one that finds it odd that we haven't heard anything about the Rona wiping out Amazonian Indians? For them, the common cold is deadly, yet we haven't heard a thing about the Rona going through their population.
MTDan, are you aware that Hydroxychloroquine is available OTC in Uganda for malaria and with a population of approximately 45 million they have had, when i last checked, about 120 deaths from C 19.
Tiawan uses it early and with a population of about the 43 million they had less than ten deaths. Iceland uses it early and has less than 10 deaths, iirc.
Those places where Ivermectin is easily available to the population without prescription show similar results. It appears that there are two very effective treatments for COVID19 that have been made extremely hard to acquire in the Western world. The reason for this seems to be that it would cut dramatically into the profit margin of big pharma vis a vis the various experimental (i.e., inadequately tested) "vaccines."
This reminds me to start a position in davita dialysis.
3. Vaccine actually causes a greater immune response than natural infection.
4. This point shows a complete and total lack of understanding of vaccines. Many vaccines use live-attenuated viruses which infect the cells, but are a weakened strain that doesn't cause symptoms. They work in the same way in that they make the body's cells make viral proteins which trigger immune response. With your beloved "natural immunity" cells are injected with viral mRNA and make viral proteins. Just like the mRNA vaccine (except the vaccine doesn't code all of the proteins. All immune responses to infection EVER have been the body "attacking something our cells have made."
It should be obvious that cells producing foreign protein is not good. A DNA or an mRNA vaccine is DESIGNED to prolong the period a cell produces foreign protein. It is my understanding that in most viral infections the cell dies in the over production of viral particles.No?
With any of the NEW mRNA and DNA vaccines how long do your cells remain cooped? How long do the cells retain these foreign nucleic acids? Which healthy cells are targeted by these vaccines?
I sent the OP opening statement of Dr Cole to my daughter who is an attorney with an advanced degree in biology/virology. She first pointed out this information came from a OB GYN. Second like MtDan she shredded about everything the doctor said. Then she provided these links to bullet point #11
I sent the OP opening statement of Dr Cole to my daughter who is an attorney with an advanced degree in biology/virology. She first pointed out this information came from a OB GYN. Second like MtDan she shredded about everything the doctor said. Then she provided these links to bullet point #11
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