THE TEXAS ELECTRICAL BLACKOUT caused by?


If you think I'm going to get quiet on the Snow Job Resident Biden has done to the great people of my beloved Texas, and the catastrophic effects of future events like this to the great people of our beautiful America, you can forget it. How do you all like the Green RAW Deal, so far????? This is how it works:
"So here is Biden’s Dark Winter... directed at Texas!
....Joe Biden’s Dept. of Energy Blocked Texas from Increasing Power Ahead of Killer Storm.
A week before, Texas begged for help and asked for DOE to lift federal regulations barring state's energy. An Emergency Order from the Biden administration’s Department of Energy shows Texas energy grid operator ERCOT was instructed to stay within green energy standards by purchasing energy from outside the state at a higher cost, throttling power output throughout the state ahead of a catastrophic polar vortex.
Going into effect Sunday, Feb. 14, Emergency Order 202-21-1 shows the Energy Dept. was aware of Texas Gov. Greg Abbott’s statewide disaster declaration and that ERCOT was readying gas utilities in preparation for a demand surge.
The order shows Acting Energy Secretary David Huizenga did not waive environmental restrictions to allow for maximum energy output, instead ordering ERCOT to utilize all resources in order to stay within acceptable emissions standards – including purchasing energy from outside the state.
Moreover, the order instructed an “incremental amount of restricted capacity” to be sold to ERCOT at “a price no lower than $1,500/MWh,” an increase of over 6,000 percent over February 2020 prices of $18.20.
On Wednesday, the Dallas Business Journal reported, “Electricity on the Texas grid has averaged about $1,137.33 per megawatt hour so far in February, up from $18.20 per megawatt hour in February 2020, according to data from the Electricity Reliability Council of Texas. That’s a jump of more than 6,000 percent.”
Days later, the Public Utility C

biden is not president. Why would anyone do what he says especially his crack head laws and policies?

I was under the impression that Texas is not accessible to the national power grid?

Your impression is incorrect. And further, it is still regulated and subject to federal environmental regulations.

An inter web search suggests it’s not, am I missing something? Fake news? Either it is connected or it ain’t. Regardless of fed regulations.

Your search is incorrect. It frequently purchases power from both the east and west grids as well as Mexico.

Troll elsewhere.

There is no national power grid. There are a number of regional power grids. Some are more organized than others. Texas has some, but limited interconnections with other major grids. Texas has historically been proud of their relatively independent power grid.

I’m not a troll jackass, just trying to get a better under standing....suv it up your ass

Then get a better understanding.

This was covered in another thread. No one blocked ERCOT from bringing additional generation online.

It's fiction.

Phug u

They just delayed permission until Sunday evening when, rolling blackouts had already started.

https://www.texastribune.org/2011/02/08/texplainer-why-does-texas-have-its-own-power-grid/

They should have just turned up the juice output.


Limiting output for emissions in an emergency is like trying to defend your store from armed attack but limiting yourself to the self imposed one box per customer rule...

Not true Texas is all by itself. A Texas State Congressman just said so on National TV minutes ago. Texas warned ERCOT to winterize its

Production plants after the 2011 problems. They all ignored the warning. He also said the Texas grid is independent of the other grids.

Information I have is they have purchased Energy from Mexico. 99% of the problem lies with ERCOT no winterizing there grid. Most of this information is from a Texas Congressman

I did not catch his name.

No they didn't.

Output was not limited by emissions. If you read the order, it excepted the additional generation from emissions requirements during the emergency.

It's just not that simple.

Besides ERCOT, the Texas legislature, and the Texas Railroad Commission are involved in the grid as well.

It is A GRID in the US just like any of the others. They are all interconnected to a degree capable of sending and purchasing power from other grids. The Texas grid is unique only in that unlike the other grids, it is largely contained within one state.

Winterization or lack thereof had very little to do with this mess.

Output is ALWAYS limited by emissions requirements, else they would not have needed permission to temporarily exceed them.

Not that easy. Private companies run the plants. The feds will yank their licenses and fine them out of existence if they exceed emission standards without permission.

If you’ve got 30 minutes watch this. This was a green energy failure and piss poor execution and planning.

What it all boils down to is Texas fugged up and they want to blame something or someone for the fact their grid wasn’t capable of handling this situation.

Nope.

There are agencies in Texas where the blame mostly goes... And Texas wants them not only held accountable, but want the problem fixed, because it gets worse every time it happens.

The grid isn’t capable of handling the situation because it is reliant on green energy that has taken an overly large portion of generation responsibility because of a market distorted by government subsidies.

Not only that, but traditional electric suppliers were mandated to invest in green energy as well.

Local electric coop had no choice but to direct money to green energy. They weren't and aren't happy about it either.

When govt picks the winners, we all lose

Not according to your Texas Congressman Rep Michael McCaul. He said the Texas Grid is not connected to any other Grid.

Plus he said 75% of the problem was cause by the freeze up of the Gas and Coal part of the energy production, because

they did not purchase vale heaters and other things. Question is many other states experienced the same weather

but Texas is the only one that the system went down. It appears to be a internal Texas problem. Now Texas need to fix it.

In that video I posted he even talks about banks refusing to lend money to oil and gas producers. They are doing the same thing to them that they are doing with guns and gun manufacturers.

Well, then he is a dumbass who doesn’t know his ass from a hole in the ground.

Posted 2-18-2021
https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbt...2-degrees-for-n-tx-tomorrow#Post15806329


You're 100% wrong.

Green Energy was 100% responsible for this energy shortage in Texas.

The last three FAKE CONSERVATIVE Governors, which includes our present Governor (Abbott helped Perry), got on their knees with the commie Greenies, to get the middle votes and some on the left, to slowly start converting the "reliable" Texas power grid to Carbon Neutral. Around 2009 they shut down three Coal fired plants, and starting building the Windmill and Solar farms to replace "reliable" Natural Gas / Coal fired plants.

To do it correctly, you "have" to have redundancy in the system (Coal/Nat Gas Plants) to cover the Green Energy (Solar/Windmill Farms) production when a shortage develops from going down in a severe cold spell, like we are experiencing. For the numbers to look good for Green Energy, and to brainwash the stupid in public into believing the numbers work and Green Energy is cheaper, the Greenie commies DO NOT leave redundancy in the system, because to leave redundancy in means you have to keep it "maintained' (COST) and ready to step in when needed in an emergency. The maintenance numbers and final TOTAL COST makes Green Energy more expensive than Natural Gas / Coal fired plants, and drives the cost higher all the way down to the customer, thus the reason they do not keep redundancy (BACKUP) in the system. When the Green Energy (Solar / Windmill) production dropped out, there was zero backup and no way to supply the full demand of energy being called for.

Secondly, these green commies couldn't leave the "RELIABLE" Natural Gas Pipeline compressor system alone either. They pulled the DECADES long "reliable" Natural Gas fueled engines off the Natural Gas pipelines that were fueled with the Natural Gas from the pipeline, and replaced them with electric motors run from Solar panels. Those Solar panels being used to provide electricity to run the electric motors powering the compressors went offline just like the Solar farms went offline. This means homes and power plants were not receiving fuel for power and heat from the idled pipelines. The commies in MSM, like Bill Gates, are stating the pipelines weren't prepared for the freeze. He is outright lying. You can't "freeze" Natural Gas or Propane at these temperatures, but you can cover up the Solar panels with snow and shut the compressors down.

That's the whole story in a nut shell. This incident proves beyond a Shadow of Doubt, Green Energy does not work and is horribly unreliable, and is only a means to strip taxpayers of their monies from ultimately driving energy costs up, and forcing the public into life threatening situations (depopulation).

Our Co-op was mandated to get some %of their power from solar and or wind.

They did it but like most things from .gov it won't work in the real world.

The power we get is hooked up to 2 states north of us.

They have been beating that drum that we needed to join ercot.

So far it has not happened.Hope it never does.

And when corksuckers pick the govt, we're fughked.

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Well your Governor pretty much agreed with the Congressman That the problem was caused by not winterizing the system . Are they both lying?

Redundancy is the key as stated here. Green policies did the same thing here in Oklahoma and losing natural gas compressors (and resulting lower line volume during high demand) caused these problems. The redundancy of natural gas powered compressors or a big old heaping stack of coal is the cure and having those historically reliable systems available and the problem goes away. If green energy worked it would not have to be subsidized . Just one more area that common sense needs to prevail in....

Or....green energy has faults that need discovered and rectified. And it takes these kinds of events to highlight those faults and drive folks to engineer solutions.

I don’t particularly like hydro dams, windmills, solar panels, ect... I fully expect they cause environmental damage to the same or greater extent as fossil fuels, just through different mechanisms. There is no free lunch.

But, fossil fuels are a finite resource and humans seem hell bent on exploiting different energy resources, so it seems inevitable that we will need to make those other energy resources more reliable.

No one is going back to fossil fuels. Not for the foreseeable future.

Now it makes sense.

Huge demand.

Green sources shut down due to ice and snow.

Management was asleep at the wheel, allowed fossil fuel plants to become over taxed and automatically shut down.

They started rolling blackouts (too late) to protect remaining facilities
from damage and shutting down.

Some of the blackouts were to natural gas production/transportation facilities. Cutting off the gas supply to customers and POWER GENERATION
facilities. Causing more natural gas generators to go off line.

The generation facilities weren't properly winterized to protect from freezingm
so when they shut down, they froze. At least enough equipment that they
couldn't start.


Listen to this long enough though, he gets stupid.

Calling for a Pittsburgh accord.
Make everyone clean their air like we did in Pittsburgh!
We didn't "clean the air".

The facilities producing the world's best steel, great jobs, and the
dirty air, closed. We really don't want that to be the model.

Is there money involved?

Lot's of money?

When you discuss a topic, it is wise to be educated on it without having to rely on what others state....otherwise you look like a dumbazz when you show you have no clue what you are talking about....like thinking natural gas can freeze at the temperatures we experienced and it shutting the pipelines down.

You do realize natural "GAS" is in a gaseous stage, and has to be cooled to liquify before it can then go on to freezing stage correct?

Care to guess what the CRYOGENIC temperature is Natural GAS FREEZES at....idiot?

This might explain part of the problem.....

https://www.griddy.com/post/griddy-update-why-energy-prices-were-sky-high-this-week

There's the MONEY shot right there.....

The BIG BIG problem the COMMUNIST greenies don't want to discuss is the "major" environmental "pollution" disaster old solar panels will create, and right now industry is also stumped on what to do with discarded windmill blades.

Typical manufacturing business plan this day and time. Build it. Get it to market, and we'll worry about any issues later, and we'll just past the costs of "solving" those issues down to the customer.

Funny how those future costs aren't accounted for in the original numbers when they parade around the country to Townhall meetings to brainwash the public into believing COMMIE Green Energy is "the way" of the future.....and cheaper.

Go ask the homeowners, who have destroyed homes now, how cheap it'll be to rebuild their homes.

You are right and wrong as I was According to the Texas Tribune. ERCOT has 2 limited ties to the Eastern grid and the tie I mentioned in Mexico.

But the Eastern Tie does not bring them under Federal regulation. " The ERCOT grid remains beyond the jurisdiction of the Federal Energy Regulator Commission."

I also found out that Northern Countries like Norway and Sweden say there Wind Turbine winterization kit will allow operation down to -22 degrees. In Texas Wind makes up 23%

of the total energy, Natural gas 56%, Coal 19%, and Nuclear 9%. Bottom line is the natural gas system has to work or the system crashes. ERCOT needs a big time winterization program

and it needs to be required by the state of Texas, which they did not do in 2011, and ERCOT did nothing.

So the EPA had no say? You seem to be missing the point.

Yeah, here's the Winterization program that needs to be implemented:

Nuclear: 32%

Natural Gas: 56%

Coal: 19%

Green :0%

Good to know we are exempt from federal regulations in Texas. Bring your bumpstocks over for a party.

By the way, the biggest reason the natural gas system isn’t “winterized” is once again related to green energy. Pumps used to be run on the gas in the system themselves. Thus as long as the pipes had gas, everything worked. But because of “muh greenhouse emissions” most of those pumps were switched to electric motors that are connected to the grid. When the grid got shut down, the pumps shut down and everything else shut down too. “Winterization” of gas pipeline is a solution to a problem that wouldn’t exist but for greenhouse gas emission regulations.

Thanks for letting us know. We didn't know that.

There is no such thing as "the national power grid." There is no such thing as a national power company. Yet.

You’re welcome. It’s my duty to alleviate your ignorance.

Glad you mentioned this. As more functions (transportation, process heating, etc.) are shifted to electricity due to governmental policy, and as that one form of power is generated by a limited number of resources, the greater the risk that larger and more costly disruptions will occur.

this is exactly how i will refer to him from now on! Resident Biden. don't know if that was a typo or not but it fits.

It pays to read a thread before you type:

https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbt...re-biden-and-the-ercot-deal#Post15818704

Thanks again for “educating” us……I wouldn't want to be ignorant....

Once again, you’re welcome. Nifty trick you did there of going back and changing your previous post after I had educated you. Well, better late than never.

Which post of mine is "edited" to prove I changed it?

You're a liar, and could never educate me.

People reading this thread clearly seen my post, and it was even quoted above by okie.

Go try running your lies some place else, limp brain.

Looks to me like it was you who “changed” their post in this thread, not me, being “your” post was 2 hours after mine…..and “edited”….Hmmmm..

https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbt...re-biden-and-the-ercot-deal#Post15819125

Perhaps it was “I” who “educated” ….wait for it………you.

Oh, by the way.........anyone can see I originally wrote that post 3 days ago......I even put the link to it in my original posting in this thread, so.....how do you edit a 3 day old posting......LIMP BRAIN?

Why are you protesting so much, Mrs. McBeth? No, shame is recognizing your betters.

Elk; You might want to read chapter VIII on page 189 Electricity and Natural Gas Interdependency in the document located here: https://www.ferc.gov/sites/default/files/2020-04/08-16-11-report.pdf. The natural gas does not freeze but the water in the control systems does which leads to automatic shutdowns of the control systems.

They had Glycerine instead of Silicone in the control rooms, because 99% of the time, Glycerine was all that was needed, based on average historical temps and even a few low temp spells in the past that did not push them over their ratings. And what I just typed wasn't even mentioned in the article.

In reference to the "water" in the control instrumentation lines, like chillers, you don't have just water. It has Glycol-Water mixture in it to keep from freezing. It was the ratings of the instruments them selves that was the weak link in the controls, because they could run a 55/45 W/G to have protection to -18*F or even 50/50 (-31*F), but I'd bet they were only running 60/40 (-8*F) to match the instrument ratings.

Pg 139 -
"By far, the most common cause of the outages was the cold weather, most commonly when sensing lines froze and caused automatic or manual unit trips."

Pg 196
"The single largest problem during the cold weather event was the freezing of instrumentation and equipment."

But on pages 140 and 141, the pie charts shows controls were only 11% and 3% responsible, so the authors are contradicting what they have reported when they stated the two quotes above, and placing the majority of the blame on the controls as the main culprit of failure.

Thanks for the link.

https://www.greentechmedia.com/arti...ental-justice-and-climate-change-impacts


Note the date.

Yessir, another Commie party member, who believes humans are changing the weather patterns, and has been sucking on the tit of the government, since the Clinton years, for his paycheck. In other words....a dumbazz who could never make it in the real world, and has no Energy Industry experience....typical government stooge.

Just another Community Organizer like Barry was.....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Glick

Quality interview. Should be required viewing for an after action report.