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Posted By: Deans Mandatory Cover 19 shot - 03/12/21
Not to hijack the other COVID 19 thread.

I have no interest whether a person takes the COVID 19 shot or doesn't. Every one needs to make their own decision. My concern is being forced to take the shot for public transportation as in the mask mandates that are in place now.
My wife and I both spent the Christmas and New Years with the china virus and we are getting close to 90 days before we can take the shot. Since we have a cruise in November that will include air flights to and from L.A., CA. we may be forced to take the shot which is being talked about now.
I am on the fence of whether or not the CV shot should be taken I am not in favor of being forced to take the shot.'
What say you?
Posted By: erikj Re: Mandatory Cover 19 shot - 03/12/21
Good luck holding out. It's coming.
Posted By: TomT Re: Mandatory Cover 19 shot - 03/12/21
How DARE you question the importance of the Government issued vaccine (that was rushed), for a Government created virus (wet market/bat my arse!)! George Orwell would say;”I told you so”

Personally, I would NOT take the vaccine, and cancel the cruise. I’ve been on a dozen or more Royal Caribbean cruises, and just the thought of subjecting myself to that Petrie dish, during current times, makes me ill. Hard PASS thank you very much! -YMMV

-TomT

PS: to add: I had the Chi Com flu just about this time last year. Went through my job (10people, small, private business) l like a tornado. For most of us, myself included, it was like a mild cold (sore throat, mild fever), and gone in 2-3 days. For two it was BAD! Killed the oldest guy (most preexisting conditions), and the other was in the hospital on Oxygen for 4 weeks. I’m convinced that the only reason he’s still alive, is that he WASN’T intubated. Many don’t come back from that. Take from that what you will, but the last year (covid/election) has made me EVEN MORE (if possible) distrusting of our Masters....... er.....elected officials.
Cancel the cruise. Load bullets.
It's been a forced plan for many years.
The guinea pigs for Bill Gates like to turn around the argument and say that some dark forces are trying to keep them from getting their magical elixir. That's always revealed what religious zealots they are for the CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, Gt school training propaganda they were raised with.

All shots are at the very least coerced.
This is an experimental genetic manipulation drug pushed harder than any other and that by a raging psychopath, Bill Gates. His subjects are extremely gullible and easily manipulated. That is why they do what they're told, shut up and cover their breathing holes with polyester.
Bill Gates knows best. Your doctors wouldn't follow his directions if he didn't.

Don't watch this video.
https://www.brighteon.com/bd25870a-b6bc-4494-b50d-91fda09e4f6e
Posted By: okie Re: Mandatory Cover 19 shot - 03/12/21
Is freedom now conditional? Are we going to allow it to be? At what point do you have nothing left to lose?
Posted By: renegade50 Re: Mandatory Cover 19 shot - 03/12/21
Not taking a Gene therapy shot with very biased test studies done on it for a desired outcome for the sheeple to fall in lock step with.
And 0 long term impact studies done.
All created for political exploitation and revenge by the chinese, globalist, and liberal Socialist Democrats to exploit against conservative america to wipe it out.....

Keeping my DNA RNA the way I got it is my business not the .gov for their compliance/ control desires.
My 30 year old coworker had covid this past fall. Just headache,, and loss of taste. She just went and got her shots. I asked why since her body already produced a vaccine for her. Her response "but what if there's another strain?" These are the people that will support a travel ban....
Remember its SCIENCE!
Bill Gates is a cute old man with his pink Mr. Rogers sweater. Who could not trust that?

"public transportation" isn't flights. those are private companies and can do as they please for the requirements. I can see airlines going the route of mandatory vaccine, possibly if you want to travel without a mask, if not for all. Your choice, take it or leave it at that point.

I do not see the government requiring it for something like travel (USA), so you can always drive, I know inconvenient and possibly unrealistic, but possible.

I could see vaccine as a requirement for international travel, but that would most likely be the country you are landing in.

The bigger question really would become "how do you prove it?". Your medical provider can't tell the government, HIPPA prevents that, so it would have to be voluntary.
Posted By: victoro Re: Mandatory Cover 19 shot - 03/12/21
"we may be forced to take the shot which is being talked about now"

How can they force you to take the shot? If we allow the government, the airlines or anybody else to mandate vaccines then there will be no end to it. You'll need a different vaccine every time the flu mutates. I'll never take any drug or vaccine that somebody is trying to force me to take. They'll have to shoot me with a tranquilizer dart first (and I'll get even later). I was given got a lot of shots in the military without my permission but you lose a lot all your Constitutional rights when you're in the military.
Posted By: victoro Re: Mandatory Cover 19 shot - 03/12/21
"Your medical provider can't tell the government"

All of your medical records past and present are on a Federal database. That was an edict of Obamacare.
Posted By: Huntz Re: Mandatory Cover 19 shot - 03/12/21
They can give me the shot when they come to get my guns or maybe I will give them one?
Posted By: BLG Re: Mandatory Cover 19 shot - 03/12/21
Originally Posted by victoro
"Your medical provider can't tell the government"

All of your medical records past and present are on a Federal database. That was an edict of Obamacare.



This..and combine that with real ID and they already have the means to determine if you have had the shot.

Clyde
My buddy just called me. He had covid a couple months ago, today he went and got vaccinated. Why are people getting a shot for something they already had? If the antibodies fade after real exposure, they're going to fade from the vaccine too...
Posted By: jaguartx Re: Mandatory Cover 19 shot - 03/12/21
Originally Posted by victoro
"Your medical provider can't tell the government"

All of your medical records past and present are on a Federal database. That was an edict of Obamacare.


Employment requirement.
Posted By: Jim1611 Re: Mandatory Cover 19 shot - 03/12/21
Originally Posted by Huntz
They can give me the shot when they come to get my guns or maybe I will give them one?


Best reply so far!
Posted By: hanco Re: Mandatory Cover 19 shot - 03/12/21
Take it, no big deal.
Originally Posted by victoro
"Your medical provider can't tell the government"

All of your medical records past and present are on a Federal database. That was an edict of Obamacare.


Isn't that just if you are using ObamaCare? I doubt it's universal, that violates HIPPA
Posted By: local_dirt Re: Mandatory Cover 19 shot - 03/12/21
My body.

Remember?
Posted By: Redneck Re: Mandatory Cover 19 shot - 03/12/21
Originally Posted by Deans
Not to hijack the other COVID 19 thread.

I have no interest whether a person takes the COVID 19 shot or doesn't. Every one needs to make their own decision. My concern is being forced to take the shot for public transportation as in the mask mandates that are in place now.
My wife and I both spent the Christmas and New Years with the china virus and we are getting close to 90 days before we can take the shot. Since we have a cruise in November that will include air flights to and from L.A., CA. we may be forced to take the shot which is being talked about now.
I am on the fence of whether or not the CV shot should be taken I am not in favor of being forced to take the shot.'
What say you?
We also have a cruise coming up early next year. I fully expect that the only way they'll allow people on the ship will be if you're up on the shots.. Whatever. We'll be there.
Posted By: sse Re: Mandatory Cover 19 shot - 03/12/21
Originally Posted by BLG
Originally Posted by victoro
"Your medical provider can't tell the government"

All of your medical records past and present are on a Federal database. That was an edict of Obamacare.



This..and combine that with real ID and they already have the means to determine if you have had the shot.

Clyde

and they have all your internet usage, txt and phone calls, and they're peering from the wife's blouse
Posted By: efw Re: Mandatory Cover 19 shot - 03/12/21
Originally Posted by jaguartx
Originally Posted by victoro
"Your medical provider can't tell the government"

All of your medical records past and present are on a Federal database. That was an edict of Obamacare.


Employment requirement.



Yep the real threat here isn’t from the government. It’s from private businesses afraid of liability.

Employers can make vaccination a condition of employment. Retail stores a condition for entry, airlines, cruise lines, public transportation, etc.

The government doesn’t have to violate our Constitutional rights with a vaccine edict. They just make businesses so scared of liability and they won’t have to.
Posted By: Hubert Re: Mandatory Cover 19 shot - 03/12/21
I had the covid19 a year ago. but I am getting the shot.. already got the first one.. but not to go on a stupid cruse where people are wading around in ankle deep puke...I was on one ship in the army.. never again, I have better sense than that...
Posted By: WMR Re: Mandatory Cover 19 shot - 03/12/21
Originally Posted by victoro
"Your medical provider can't tell the government"

All of your medical records past and present are on a Federal database. That was an edict of Obamacare.


This is absolutely untrue. Some providers do protect your privacy Might be a good question to ask your doctor. As for the Covid vaccine, I gladly took it. Get the facts and decide for yourself. I've heard of no one being forced to do so. What a private business requires of it's customers or employees is ultimately voluntary. A person can always choose to go elsewhere.
Posted By: Backroads Re: Mandatory Cover 19 shot - 03/12/21
.gov needs as many people to get the shot as possible, they will surely exert as much pressure as possible to do it.

Imagine if only a small percentage of people get the shots, and then the virus becomes irrelevant anyway?
Posted By: sse Re: Mandatory Cover 19 shot - 03/12/21
Originally Posted by WMR
Originally Posted by victoro
"Your medical provider can't tell the government"

All of your medical records past and present are on a Federal database. That was an edict of Obamacare.


This is absolutely untrue. Some providers do protect your privacy Might be a good question to ask your doctor. As for the Covid vaccine, I gladly took it. Get the facts and decide for yourself. I've heard of no one being forced to do so. What a private business requires of it's customers or employees is ultimately voluntary. A person can always choose to go elsewhere.

they're on a database and can therefore be accessed
Posted By: smokepole Re: Mandatory Cover 19 shot - 03/12/21
Originally Posted by Deans
Since we have a cruise in November that will include air flights to and from L.A., CA. we may be forced to take the shot which is being talked about now.


Are you saying the airline might require proof of a vaccine? I hadn't heard that.
The whole country reached herd immunity naturally, before the first shot was ever given, so why do people need the shot now?

If you've already been infected, you have the antibodies and got them naturally, instead of through unproven technology that is already killing people at an alarming rate, and is also being suppressed from the public.

The government's own numbers alone have been proving, this whole past year, they have been lying about everything.
Originally Posted by jaguartx
Originally Posted by victoro
"Your medical provider can't tell the government"

All of your medical records past and present are on a Federal database. That was an edict of Obamacare.


Employment requirement.

Yes.
They are already starting this in this country since 90%+ went along with the rest of the tyranny.

Here's what is being rolled out in the UK ASAP.

Vaccine Passport. Won't link.


Here's the swab test. Nasal, not anal...... yet.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/ninash...ed-to-spinal-fluid-leak/?sh=68a750c535e9
Posted By: Riverc Re: Mandatory Cover 19 shot - 03/13/21
Myself i would cancel the cruise if i needed to take the vaccine.I don't trust the government,CDC or the vaccine.I been following this from the start we are being lied to and played.They using Covid to control everything can't see how some people don't see this.
Posted By: Rock Chuck Re: Mandatory Cover 19 shot - 03/13/21
As soon as they can get all of us old farts shot, expect to see them mandatory for drawing social security or medicare.
Posted By: AlaskaCub Re: Mandatory Cover 19 shot - 03/13/21
None of this makes sense, the vaccine (according to the experts) is only to help your body cope with the symptoms , ie help you from getting too sick. It does not make you immune to the virus, it does not keep you from carrying the virus, and it does not keep you from exposing others to the virus. WTF is the real deal?
Posted By: Stophel Re: Mandatory Cover 19 shot - 03/13/21
The real deal is compliance. That's what they want.
Originally Posted by Riverc
Myself i would cancel the cruise if i needed to take the vaccine.I don't trust the government,CDC or the vaccine.I been following this from the start we are being lied to and played.They using Covid to control everything can't see how some people don't see this.




They lied to us about a lot since we were little.
They lied about everything concerning the plandemic.
Now, the libtards and Republicans alike are saying, "Me Me, ME FIRST!"

If everyone survived it, and so many did not, I still would not trust the liars.
Originally Posted by Stophel
The real deal is compliance. That's what they want.

That's exactly why they didn't want the masks off and destroyed our nation's economy.
The stolen election and whole scenario were planned and timed for what is now happening.
Posted By: ironbender Re: Mandatory Cover 19 shot - 03/13/21
Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by Deans
Since we have a cruise in November that will include air flights to and from L.A., CA. we may be forced to take the shot which is being talked about now.


Are you saying the airline might require proof of a vaccine? I hadn't heard that.

Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated.

UK has been talking about a bad passport. You gotta know it’s coming. It’ll be required for employment, travel, concerts? We’re all in this together! 🤔
Posted By: Valsdad Re: Mandatory Cover 19 shot - 03/13/21
Originally Posted by ironbender
Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by Deans
Since we have a cruise in November that will include air flights to and from L.A., CA. we may be forced to take the shot which is being talked about now.


Are you saying the airline might require proof of a vaccine? I hadn't heard that.

Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated.

UK has been talking about a bad passport. You gotta know it’s coming. It’ll be required for employment, travel, concerts? We’re all in this together! 🤔

Will you folks need a shot to come to the lower 48 and vice versa?

Ya' know, cause y'all might be infected with the Eskimo strain.
Posted By: Valsdad Re: Mandatory Cover 19 shot - 03/13/21
I wonder, have they set the penalty for forging the shot cards?
Posted By: ironbender Re: Mandatory Cover 19 shot - 03/13/21
Originally Posted by Valsdad
I wonder, have they set the penalty for forging the shot cards?

Not yet.

If one wanted the COVID-19(84) vax, AK is the place to be. Available to anyone 16 and older.
Originally Posted by dogcatcher223
My 30 year old coworker had covid this past fall. Just headache,, and loss of taste. She just went and got her shots. I asked why since her body already produced a vaccine for her. Her response "but what if there's another strain?" These are the people that will support a travel ban....

I have never taken and will never take the vaccine. Too many controversies and unanswered questions surrounding the virus and vaccine.
Its so funny people don't want to fall sick anymore, No one gets an headache and take Aspirin anymore. smh
Posted By: smokepole Re: Mandatory Cover 19 shot - 03/13/21
Originally Posted by Valsdad
Originally Posted by ironbender
Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by Deans
Since we have a cruise in November that will include air flights to and from L.A., CA. we may be forced to take the shot which is being talked about now.


Are you saying the airline might require proof of a vaccine? I hadn't heard that.

Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated.

UK has been talking about a bad passport. You gotta know it’s coming. It’ll be required for employment, travel, concerts? We’re all in this together! 🤔

Will you folks need a shot to come to the lower 48 and vice versa?

Ya' know, cause y'all might be infected with the Eskimo strain.



They're letting Alaskans into the lower 48 now???

There goes the neighborhood.
Posted By: Joezone Re: Mandatory Cover 19 shot - 03/13/21
Saw this posted somewhere, may have been elsewhere on this site.

https://www.westonaprice.org/podcast/its-gene-therapy-not-a-vaccine/
Posted By: wabigoon Re: Mandatory Cover 19 shot - 03/13/21
????, As said, it's a personal choice.

In the US Army they did not ask.
Posted By: ironbender Re: Mandatory Cover 19 shot - 03/13/21
Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by Valsdad
Originally Posted by ironbender
Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by Deans
Since we have a cruise in November that will include air flights to and from L.A., CA. we may be forced to take the shot which is being talked about now.


Are you saying the airline might require proof of a vaccine? I hadn't heard that.

Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated.

UK has been talking about a bad passport. You gotta know it’s coming. It’ll be required for employment, travel, concerts? We’re all in this together! 🤔

Will you folks need a shot to come to the lower 48 and vice versa?

Ya' know, cause y'all might be infected with the Eskimo strain.



They're letting Alaskans into the lower 48 now???

There goes the neighborhood.

Only when we be slummin’!
Posted By: smarquez Re: Mandatory Cover 19 shot - 03/13/21
Originally Posted by Deans
Not to hijack the other COVID 19 thread.

I have no interest whether a person takes the COVID 19 shot or doesn't. Every one needs to make their own decision. My concern is being forced to take the shot for public transportation as in the mask mandates that are in place now.
My wife and I both spent the Christmas and New Years with the china virus and we are getting close to 90 days before we can take the shot. Since we have a cruise in November that will include air flights to and from L.A., CA. we may be forced to take the shot which is being talked about now.
I am on the fence of whether or not the CV shot should be taken I am not in favor of being forced to take the shot.'
What say you?


My wife flew from Ontario, CA airport to Portland. No proof of vax required. By November more people will be vaxxed so it shouldn't be a big deal. So far no one is being forced to take the vax. Have you contacted the cruise company to see what their requirements will be? It won't the government forcing the vax, it will be the businesses you deal with that may require it.
Posted By: TSIBINDI Re: Mandatory Cover 19 shot - 03/13/21
...What STOPHEL said.
Posted By: Deans Re: Mandatory Cover 19 shot - 03/13/21
Originally Posted by smarquez
Originally Posted by Deans
Not to hijack the other COVID 19 thread.

I have no interest whether a person takes the COVID 19 shot or doesn't. Every one needs to make their own decision. My concern is being forced to take the shot for public transportation as in the mask mandates that are in place now.
My wife and I both spent the Christmas and New Years with the china virus and we are getting close to 90 days before we can take the shot. Since we have a cruise in November that will include air flights to and from L.A., CA. we may be forced to take the shot which is being talked about now.
I am on the fence of whether or not the CV shot should be taken I am not in favor of being forced to take the shot.'
What say you?


My wife flew from Ontario, CA airport to Portland. No proof of vax required. By November more people will be vaxxed so it shouldn't be a big deal. So far no one is being forced to take the vax. Have you contacted the cruise company to see what their requirements will be? It won't the government forcing the vax, it will be the businesses you deal with that may require it.



I spoke with my cruise contact and as of now vaccine requirement is not required. In the future???
Originally Posted by Joezone
Saw this posted somewhere, may have been elsewhere on this site.

https://www.westonaprice.org/podcast/its-gene-therapy-not-a-vaccine/



Very interesting read there.
Posted By: Buck720 Re: Mandatory Cover 19 shot - 03/14/21
Why will it not fall under Hipaa laws? Everything between you and your doctor is protected and if you have or have not received the shot is your business only
Posted By: Joezone Re: Mandatory Cover 19 shot - 03/16/21
Scary stuff, who knows. I don't trust them no way.

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/virologist-huge-price-covid-mass-vaccination/
Posted By: HawkI Re: Mandatory Cover 19 shot - 03/16/21
Originally Posted by Buck720
Why will it not fall under Hipaa laws? Everything between you and your doctor is protected and if you have or have not received the shot is your business only



You might want to investigate how HIPAA means nothing as required by your employer (yeah, it got neutered before the scamdemic). Just for starters.

Plus, a lot of elderly nursing home patients literally have been locked down, all over the country, by fiat. Many have been literal prisoners and now with the shots, lab rats, for the shots rushed into production.

Of course the government allows third worlders immediate access to food processing facilities, nursing homes and schools with a wink and a nod, without even knowing any medical history, criminal history or even country of origin.

But they sure seem eager to shoot every known citizen up...
Originally Posted by Joezone

You're a day late.

https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbt...ontline-health-care-workers#Post15899850
Posted By: Joezone Re: Mandatory Cover 19 shot - 03/16/21
Originally Posted by ElkSlayer91

Was that particular article in the thread you linked? See there was lots of discussion of the topic but didn't see that article? Thanks.
Posted By: Joezone Re: Mandatory Cover 19 shot - 03/16/21
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/...eId=26b5c090-223d-4d5d-9526-e0f692535e8c
Posted By: Dixie_Dude Re: Mandatory Cover 19 shot - 03/16/21
Lots of misinformation here. First, took and antibody test about a month before I took the vaccine. Wife did too. No antibodies. We took both shots and 2 weeks later checked our selves again to see if we had antibodies. WE DID. So yes the vaccine works.

We had our grandson get Covid. He got an antibody test a month or two later. He had antibodies. We got him two more tests and after 6 months, his antibody count has gone down. You loose the antibodies from 6-12 months after you either get Covid or get the vaccine. So again, it is like the flu. You have to get a shot every 6 months to keep immunity.

We DO NOT have herd immunity yet. 70-80% of the people will either have to get Covid or be vaccinated to have herd immunity. There have been a little over 30 million in America who have gotten Covid, with about 70 million vaccines. We do not yet have herd immunity. We need about 220 million to either get the vaccine or get Covid to have herd immunity.

80% of those who have died from Covid were over 65. The rest had some type of health problem, asthma, diabetes, heart problems, overweight, etc. Very few deaths from young people and children. Only like 3-4 nationwide. Something like 1 in 10 million.

The biggest problem with Covid is it can be contagious for 2 weeks, even if the person doesn't know he has it. They can give it to an older person or person with health problems and it can kill them. Also, the degree of the sickness depends on how much virus you breath in, thus the masks. A very healthy runner in Italy (32 years old) got Covid while running and breathing in heavy, thus pneumonia symptoms. He survived because he was young and healthy, but had a real bad case.

Take the vaccine. It was only rushed because Trump pushed aside all the stupid red tape holding back. The CDC will study something for 10 years before making a decision. Why, because they keep getting government tax money to keep their bureaucracy running. Government bureaucracy is slow.

We took the vaccine, it works, and we are going to do some traveling, too. Also hate wearing masks, but do so when going in stores etc, just to keep the peace. If you noticed from the news keeping up with new cases, etc, they are going DOWN since the vaccine was introduced, except in New York City. Also spring breakers make increase the numbers some as the vaccine hasn't trickled down to the younger people yet.

As far as kids go, they don't really need the vaccine. Just give it to adults and the kids won't get it from them.

Posted By: Backroads Re: Mandatory Cover 19 shot - 03/16/21
Everyone must get the shot, because when the virus becomes irrelevant in the next year, the .gov must be responsible for it.
Create a problem, then pretend to solve it.
Posted By: slg888 Re: Mandatory Cover 19 shot - 03/16/21
I’m gonna have Skane doctor me up a fake vaccine card if it becomes a requirement for traveling. Lol
Posted By: ingwe Re: Mandatory Cover 19 shot - 03/16/21
Been seeing this thread for a couple days and just thought I'd stop in to see what a Cover 19 shot was....
Posted By: rost495 Re: Mandatory Cover 19 shot - 03/16/21
Originally Posted by hanco
Take it, no big deal.

Don't get it do ya?
Posted By: rost495 Re: Mandatory Cover 19 shot - 03/16/21
Originally Posted by slg888
I’m gonna have Skane doctor me up a fake vaccine card if it becomes a requirement for traveling. Lol

I'll be in line also. Can't afford time or money to drive to Alaska and back every year.

This is total BS. None of your business. Just like the masks. If you think they work, then wear them. If the shot works then everyone that is worried and has a shot won't have to worry....

Its all a political game. Mixed in with a disease.

But no way I'm taking the shots. Wife either. Mother did but at her age if there are long term issues etc... it won't matter. But she is old enough to have drunk the koolaid..
Posted By: rost495 Re: Mandatory Cover 19 shot - 03/16/21
Originally Posted by Dixie_Dude
Lots of misinformation here. First, took and antibody test about a month before I took the vaccine. Wife did too. No antibodies. We took both shots and 2 weeks later checked our selves again to see if we had antibodies. WE DID. So yes the vaccine works.

We had our grandson get Covid. He got an antibody test a month or two later. He had antibodies. We got him two more tests and after 6 months, his antibody count has gone down. You loose the antibodies from 6-12 months after you either get Covid or get the vaccine. So again, it is like the flu. You have to get a shot every 6 months to keep immunity.

We DO NOT have herd immunity yet. 70-80% of the people will either have to get Covid or be vaccinated to have herd immunity. There have been a little over 30 million in America who have gotten Covid, with about 70 million vaccines. We do not yet have herd immunity. We need about 220 million to either get the vaccine or get Covid to have herd immunity.

80% of those who have died from Covid were over 65. The rest had some type of health problem, asthma, diabetes, heart problems, overweight, etc. Very few deaths from young people and children. Only like 3-4 nationwide. Something like 1 in 10 million.

The biggest problem with Covid is it can be contagious for 2 weeks, even if the person doesn't know he has it. They can give it to an older person or person with health problems and it can kill them. Also, the degree of the sickness depends on how much virus you breath in, thus the masks. A very healthy runner in Italy (32 years old) got Covid while running and breathing in heavy, thus pneumonia symptoms. He survived because he was young and healthy, but had a real bad case.

Take the vaccine. It was only rushed because Trump pushed aside all the stupid red tape holding back. The CDC will study something for 10 years before making a decision. Why, because they keep getting government tax money to keep their bureaucracy running. Government bureaucracy is slow.

We took the vaccine, it works, and we are going to do some traveling, too. Also hate wearing masks, but do so when going in stores etc, just to keep the peace. If you noticed from the news keeping up with new cases, etc, they are going DOWN since the vaccine was introduced, except in New York City. Also spring breakers make increase the numbers some as the vaccine hasn't trickled down to the younger people yet.

As far as kids go, they don't really need the vaccine. Just give it to adults and the kids won't get it from them.


HOW can you give it to an older person even if you have no symptoms? Seriously. If they were vaccinated then its a none issue

Spring breakers aren't the coming spike. Its the illegals freely coming across again that will spike it. While numbers of cases will go up, they won't up the population numbers at the same time just so the numbers look worse.

If anyone blindly follows mask guidelines from what I've seen its old and young. School age kids are brainwashed into auto compliance for the most part. You donmt' see that from the illegals. And they certainly don't have one time use masks if they even wore a mask..
Posted By: kaywoodie Re: Mandatory Cover 19 shot - 03/16/21
Protect the borders

Deliver the mail

Leave me the phuque alone!!!

Call me a dinosaur.

I don’t give a schidt.
Posted By: local_dirt Re: Mandatory Cover 19 shot - 03/16/21
My body. My choice. Right?

Laughing.
Posted By: ribka Re: Mandatory Cover 19 shot - 03/16/21
The numbers are going down because flu season is ending now in Spring like every year.



Originally Posted by Dixie_Dude
Lots of misinformation here. First, took and antibody test about a month before I took the vaccine. Wife did too. No antibodies. We took both shots and 2 weeks later checked our selves again to see if we had antibodies. WE DID. So yes the vaccine works.

We had our grandson get Covid. He got an antibody test a month or two later. He had antibodies. We got him two more tests and after 6 months, his antibody count has gone down. You loose the antibodies from 6-12 months after you either get Covid or get the vaccine. So again, it is like the flu. You have to get a shot every 6 months to keep immunity.

We DO NOT have herd immunity yet. 70-80% of the people will either have to get Covid or be vaccinated to have herd immunity. There have been a little over 30 million in America who have gotten Covid, with about 70 million vaccines. We do not yet have herd immunity. We need about 220 million to either get the vaccine or get Covid to have herd immunity.

80% of those who have died from Covid were over 65. The rest had some type of health problem, asthma, diabetes, heart problems, overweight, etc. Very few deaths from young people and children. Only like 3-4 nationwide. Something like 1 in 10 million.

The biggest problem with Covid is it can be contagious for 2 weeks, even if the person doesn't know he has it. They can give it to an older person or person with health problems and it can kill them. Also, the degree of the sickness depends on how much virus you breath in, thus the masks. A very healthy runner in Italy (32 years old) got Covid while running and breathing in heavy, thus pneumonia symptoms. He survived because he was young and healthy, but had a real bad case.

Take the vaccine. It was only rushed because Trump pushed aside all the stupid red tape holding back. The CDC will study something for 10 years before making a decision. Why, because they keep getting government tax money to keep their bureaucracy running. Government bureaucracy is slow.

We took the vaccine, it works, and we are going to do some traveling, too. Also hate wearing masks, but do so when going in stores etc, just to keep the peace. If you noticed from the news keeping up with new cases, etc, they are going DOWN since the vaccine was introduced, except in New York City. Also spring breakers make increase the numbers some as the vaccine hasn't trickled down to the younger people yet.

As far as kids go, they don't really need the vaccine. Just give it to adults and the kids won't get it from them.

Posted By: Morewood Re: Mandatory Cover 19 shot - 03/16/21
Perform Your Due Diligence




I have completed my due diligence on the Covid-19 injection that I propose to take.

____ I have reviewed the available databases provided of material adverse events from Covid-19 injections, including deaths reported to date for people who have received these injections.

____ I understand that this Covid-19 injection is being distributed under an emergency use authorization and that it has not been approved by [FDA/national regulatory agency].

____ I understand that this Covid-19 injection is made by:

___ Moderna – a company that in 10 years had never brought a single product to market prior to the coronavirus vaccine12

___ Pfizer – a company with a demonstrated history of enforcement settlements for fraudulent marketing13

___ Johnson & Johnson – a company with a demonstrated record of health care fraud14

___ AstraZeneca – a company that paid one of the top 10 pharmaceutical company settlements ever15

____ If Pfizer or Moderna: I understand that this Covid-19 injection is an experimental gene therapy.

____ I understand that the injection has only been designed to protect against moderate symptoms of Covid-19 and that it may not protect me from more severe symptoms.16

____ I understand that Covid-19 injections may not protect against transmission.17

____ I understand that by agreeing to this injection, I may be required to take further Covid-19 injections as indicated by the manufacturer’s protocol or requirements, including potential annual “booster shots.”18

____ I understand that this Covid-19 injection is not designed to address mutating versions or additional variants of the coronavirus.

____ I have attached a copy of the manufacturer’s fact sheet [traditionally called a package insert] for the Covid-19 injection, which states that the injections are not FDA-approved, describes the ingredients, outlines potential material adverse events, and acknowledges that not all risks are known. I am willing, able, and available to review and explain the fact sheet to you.

Moderna: https://www.fda.gov/media/144638/download

Pfizer: https://www.fda.gov/media/144414/download

Johnson & Johnson: https://www.janssenlabels.com/emerg...ssen+COVID-19+Vaccine-HCP-fact-sheet.pdf

AstraZeneca: https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...cipients-on-covid-19-vaccine-astrazeneca

____ I also understand that prior to Covid-19 injection, health care providers are legally required to communicate information “consistent with the fact sheets” to patients and either provide a hard copy or direct patients to the appropriate website.

____ I understand that because some of the ingredients of these Covid-19 injections are proprietary and may, therefore, be secret, the ingredients listed in the manufacturers’ fact sheets may be incomplete. I also understand that prior research on other vaccines has demonstrated the presence of nanoparticles, heavy metals, fetal tissue, and other substances not disclosed (or not fully disclosed) in “vaccinations.”19

____ [U.S. only] I understand that under the 1986 National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act and the 2005 PREP Act, it will be difficult if not impossible to hold the manufacturer of this Covid-19 injection responsible for any damage to my health or death resulting from this injection.20

____ [Non-U.S.] I have reviewed the policies or agreements in place in my country regarding indemnification and compensation; I understand that depending on these policies or agreements, it may be difficult if not impossible to hold the manufacturer of this Covid-19 injection responsible for any damage to my health or for death resulting from this injection.

____ I understand that it will be difficult if not impossible to hold the health institutions, doctors, and nurses that distributed this Covid-19 injection to me responsible for any damage to my health or for my death.

____ I understand that it will be difficult if not impossible to hold federal, state, and local health care officials and regulators responsible for any damage to my health from the Covid-19 injection or for my death.

____ I understand, therefore, as a practical matter that I and my closest relatives will experience and shoulder the full cost in terms of time and money of any financial adverse impact of a material adverse event resulting from my taking this Covid-19 injection.



For Families Planning on Having Additional Children
____ Pfizer and Moderna Covid-19 injections: I understand that this injection has the potential to alter my DNA in ways that no one yet understands and that this injection could alter the DNA of my unborn children or any woman who carries my unborn children.

____ Pfizer and Moderna Covid-19 injections: I understand that knowledgeable experts have shared serious concerns in a petition filed with the European Medicines Agency that components of the Covid-19 mRNA injections could trigger an immune reaction against syncytin-1, a protein responsible for development of the placenta and essential for a successful pregnancy, resulting in potential infertility.21

____ Johnson & Johnson Covid-19 injection: I understand that this injection is produced in genetically modified human embryonic retinal cells (PER.C6 TetR) and that the presence of fetal DNA fragment contaminants in injections has been linked to autism spectrum disorder.22

____ AstraZeneca Covid-19 injection: I understand that this injection is produced in genetically modified human embryonic kidney cells (HEK 293).

____ My spouse has agreed to assume the risks of such alterations of my DNA and any impact it may have on our ability to have children or on our unborn children.



Material Adverse Events
____ I understand and have reviewed the material adverse events reported in connection with the Covid-19 injections. Known adverse events include Covid-19 infection; anaphylaxis; neurological disorders; autoimmune disorders; other long-term chronic diseases; blindness and deafness; infertility, fetal damage, miscarriage, and stillbirth; and death (see Table 1 for examples of each; see also endnote #9).



Reasons for Taking Injection
____ I understand that Covid-19 has a statistical probability of death23 of 0.003% for youth (ages 0-19), 0.02% for those ages 20-49, 0.5% for individuals aged 50-69, and 5.4% for seniors age 70 and older.24

____ I also understand that there are multiple, low-cost, non-injection therapeutic drug protocols for early intervention and prophylaxis that have a high rate of success in helping defend against or recover from Covid-19.25

____ Nevertheless, I want to take these Covid-19 injections. The reason(s) why is (are):
_______________________________________________________________________
______________________________________________________________
Posted By: SBTCO Re: Mandatory Cover 19 shot - 03/16/21
If the "vaccine" works, those who get it are covered, the only ones taking a theoretical risk are those who don't get it.

So what need is there for a vaccine pass, other than control? (and please no lectures on "herd immunity", or guilt trips on being responsible for others' health)
Posted By: smokepole Re: Mandatory Cover 19 shot - 03/16/21
Originally Posted by kaywoodie
Protect the borders

Deliver the mail

Leave me the phuque alone!!!

Call me a dinosaur.


Call you a dinosaur? Wouldn't you rather take a cab, or an Uber?
Originally Posted by Dixie_Dude
Lots of misinformation here.

Yes, and your post is full of untruths.

Originally Posted by Dixie_Dude
We took both shots and 2 weeks later checked our selves again to see if we had antibodies. WE DID. So yes the vaccine works.

It is not a vaccine. It is an illegal experimental shot. The shot was not run through all trial phases to prove it works or is safe. 10-20 years is what it takes.

Originally Posted by Dixie_Dude
We had our grandson get Covid. He got an antibody test a month or two later. He had antibodies. We got him two more tests and after 6 months, his antibody count has gone down. You loose the antibodies from 6-12 months after you either get Covid or get the vaccine. So again, it is like the flu. You have to get a shot every 6 months to keep immunity.

Getting a shot every 6 months is crazy for a virus with a 99+ % survival rate. It has been scientifically proven that getting a flu shot every year, throughout your life, lowers your ability to fight off the flu in your elderly years when you need the shot to work.

Originally Posted by Dixie_Dude
We DO NOT have herd immunity yet. 70-80% of the people will either have to get Covid or be vaccinated to have herd immunity. There have been a little over 30 million in America who have gotten Covid, with about 70 million vaccines. We do not yet have herd immunity. We need about 220 million to either get the vaccine or get Covid to have herd immunity.

Complete garbage. The country reached herd immunity before the first shot was given. The “correct numbers” prove it. Media statements are all lies. Even the government stated there are 10 people who have been infected without knowing or had mild symptoms for every one person (the 30MIL) who had a positive test result. 30MIL x 10 = 300MIL. 325MIL population x .70 (70% to reach herd immunity based on the R(0) of the virus) = 227.5MIL. When we reached 227MIL infected (22.7MIL positive tests results), the country had reached herd immunity, and that was a while back, and the people charting and graphing the correct numbers knew this, but the government and media has continued the lying to push the experimental shot and the fear.

Originally Posted by Dixie_Dude
80% of those who have died from Covid were over 65. The rest had some type of health problem, asthma, diabetes, heart problems, overweight, etc. Very few deaths from young people and children. Only like 3-4 nationwide. Something like 1 in 10 million.
There have been about 2 dozen young who have died, and zero reason for them to get an experimental shot.

Originally Posted by Dixie_Dude
The biggest problem with Covid is it can be contagious for 2 weeks, even if the person doesn't know he has it. They can give it to an older person or person with health problems and it can kill them. Also, the degree of the sickness depends on how much virus you breath in, thus the masks. A very healthy runner in Italy (32 years old) got Covid while running and breathing in heavy, thus pneumonia symptoms. He survived because he was young and healthy, but had a real bad case.

The biggest problem with covid is it is a fraud, and not any more deadly than the flu. For example, the fraud it is spread through the air, which is a lie. It is shed through human fecal matter, and scientifically proven. Viruses that are contagious through the air, like the flu and colds, are seasonal and fall off when the warm temperatures of springtime arrive. Covid did not fall like the flu and colds do every single year, and have during all of past history for centuries, which proved 100% it was not being transmitted through the air. It proved it is shed through human fecal, and is why cities were testing sewage treatment plants to determine amount of exposure in cities.

Originally Posted by Dixie_Dude
Take the vaccine. It was only rushed because Trump pushed aside all the stupid red tape holding back. The CDC will study something for 10 years before making a decision. Why, because they keep getting government tax money to keep their bureaucracy running. Government bureaucracy is slow.

Vaccine development takes years to develop to prove: 1) they work: 2) they are safe. It takes 10-20 years to ensure no health issues arise in the future. The government has murdered lives, and endangered the future of the country, by bypassing the normal procedures followed in vaccine development with this experimental shot. They broke federal law.

Originally Posted by Dixie_Dude
We took the vaccine, it works, and we are going to do some traveling, too. Also hate wearing masks, but do so when going in stores etc, just to keep the peace. If you noticed from the news keeping up with new cases, etc, they are going DOWN since the vaccine was introduced, except in New York City. Also spring breakers make increase the numbers some as the vaccine hasn't trickled down to the younger people yet.

No, the shot doesn’t work. That is why renowned scientists around the world are demanding an immediate halt, to protect the people from death and major side-effects showing up. The numbers were going down before the first shot was given, but the media has not told the first truth during this whole fraud.

Originally Posted by Dixie_Dude
As far as kids go, they don't really need the vaccine. Just give it to adults and the kids won't get it from them.

The adults don’t need the shot either, when there are proven and safe medications available.

Pharm companies don’t develop a vaccine for a disease with a 99+ % survival rate. They would never be able to make money, because people wouldn’t buy it. That fact alone proves this whole fiasco is a fraud, and the reason for all of the communist equivalent propaganda being spewed by Fauci and every news reporter in every single city, so they can continue to scare you to death, like they have, to sell you the illegal experimental shot.
Posted By: goalie Re: Mandatory Cover 19 shot - 03/17/21
Originally Posted by ElkSlayer91
[
The biggest problem with covid is it is a fraud, and not any more deadly than the flu. For example, the fraud it is spread through the air, which is a lie. It is shed through human fecal matter, and scientifically proven. Viruses that are contagious through the air, like the flu and colds, are seasonal and fall off when the warm temperatures of springtime arrive. Covid did not fall like the flu and colds do every single year, and have during all of past history for centuries, which proved 100% it was not being transmitted through the air. It proved it is shed through human fecal, and is why cities were testing sewage treatment plants to determine amount of exposure in cities.



I'm at the part where I can't tell if you're just trolling, or actually that stupid.

😂
Originally Posted by goalie
Originally Posted by ElkSlayer91
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The biggest problem with covid is it is a fraud, and not any more deadly than the flu. For example, the fraud it is spread through the air, which is a lie. It is shed through human fecal matter, and scientifically proven. Viruses that are contagious through the air, like the flu and colds, are seasonal and fall off when the warm temperatures of springtime arrive. Covid did not fall like the flu and colds do every single year, and have during all of past history for centuries, which proved 100% it was not being transmitted through the air. It proved it is shed through human fecal, and is why cities were testing sewage treatment plants to determine amount of exposure in cities.



I'm at the part where I can't tell if you're just trolling, or actually that stupid.

😂

I love the fact you are incapable of researching and acquiring scientific evidence to refute the 100% proven scientific evidence I post.

The scientific evidence I post has been proven correct, and is acknowledged by the leading scientists and biologists around the world at the forefront of the virus.

I love the fact you are 100% unable to digest scientific evidence when I post it.

I love the free entertainment.

Carry on.
Deans and others,

1. Since you and your wife already had gotten over the virus, your immune systems have a pretty strong resistance to it. This is acquired immunity and is far superior than what the claims of any vaccines have proven. Nobody can guarantee that you won't get sick again. Also nobody can guarantee that any of the drugs promoted by big pharma will prevent you from getting sick. In the extremely brief trials of modernas 80% of the test subjects got sick instead and proof of efficacy has not been proven.

2. Why are you tempted to take part in the experimental drug that has already killed enough people that you could probably name at least two celebrities that were killed from their choices.

3. Also please ask yourself, Do you believe the hoopla that the media and big pharma has pushed the past year? If you trust them that much, may I suggest that you consider making the One linked in my signature the Object of your faith instead? He never lied, whereas the media and such lie constantly. They have destroyed the economy that it took four years to build.

4. Here's 17 more reasons.....17 Nations have rejected the drugs in spite if major pay offs to the political and medical leaders. The link is another brief video separate from the other that I mentioned in 3.

https://banthis.tv/watch?id=604fa04fc2b1d1451214ec7d
Posted By: Tico Re: Mandatory Cover 19 shot - 03/17/21
No one is forcing anyone to take a shot...it will be ur choice whether you want to fly or cruise by taking the shot if it comes down to that..there is a difference...
Posted By: Jim1611 Re: Mandatory Cover 19 shot - 03/17/21
Originally Posted by Tico
No one is forcing anyone to take a shot...it will be ur choice whether you want to fly or cruise by taking the shot if it comes down to that..there is a difference...


Not being forced to yet but if they can make it look like the numbers are not coming down they'll blame it on those that have not gotten the shot. What's next? From all I've seen from these people in charge I have no reason to think they'll be honest and treat the general public with anything other than disdain.
Posted By: Tico Re: Mandatory Cover 19 shot - 03/17/21
Originally Posted by Jim1611
Originally Posted by Tico
No one is forcing anyone to take a shot...it will be ur choice whether you want to fly or cruise by taking the shot if it comes down to that..there is a difference...


Not being forced to yet but if they can make it look like the numbers are not coming down they'll blame it on those that have not gotten the shot. What's next? From all I've seen from these people in charge I have no reason to think they'll be honest and treat the general public with anything other than disdain.

The next honest politician will be the first my friend...
Posted By: Stophel Re: Mandatory Cover 19 shot - 03/17/21
https://news.yahoo.com/poll-50-perc...90001162.html?.tsrc=notification-brknews

They're hoping that W Bush and NASCAR will convince us recalcitrant never-vaxxers to take our covid shot like good little sheep.....
Originally Posted by Jim1611
Originally Posted by Tico
No one is forcing anyone to take a shot...it will be ur choice whether you want to fly or cruise by taking the shot if it comes down to that..there is a difference...


Not being forced to yet but if they can make it look like the numbers are not coming down they'll blame it on those that have not gotten the shot. What's next? From all I've seen from these people in charge I have no reason to think they'll be honest and treat the general public with anything other than disdain.

Sounds a LOT like the rationale that will possibly be used. It worked for despotic authoritarian dictators throughout history. It continues to work just as well in this "enlightened" era of civilization. I don't put Tico in that category, only the oft used rational of late in all big media.

This too will be a choice.

"And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. ."


https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/may/12/hr-6666-a-devil-of-a-covid-19-government-surveilla/


Tico,

I'm not calling you a dictator.
Your statement simply reminds me of the past year and many years past throughout the world.
I'm just a student of several periods of history. You speak to what the vast majority will be thinking and saying. It's human nature to trust the establishment.
Please consider the link in my signature at the very bottom. It will provide the beginning of wisdom that Jesus Reveals in Reveal-ation above.

Blessings,

HC
Posted By: Stophel Re: Mandatory Cover 19 shot - 03/17/21
I believe it will probably be the NEXT vaccine that will be "mandatory".
Posted By: Tico Re: Mandatory Cover 19 shot - 03/17/21
Hc I wouldn't trust those lying bastards as far as I could throw them...
Posted By: Jim1611 Re: Mandatory Cover 19 shot - 03/17/21
Originally Posted by Stophel
https://news.yahoo.com/poll-50-perc...90001162.html?.tsrc=notification-brknews

They're hoping that W Bush and NASCAR will convince us recalcitrant never-vaxxers to take our covid shot like good little sheep.....


I wouldn't pour goat piss in Bush's ear if his brain was on fire.
Posted By: Stophel Re: Mandatory Cover 19 shot - 03/17/21
Originally Posted by Jim1611
Originally Posted by Stophel
https://news.yahoo.com/poll-50-perc...90001162.html?.tsrc=notification-brknews

They're hoping that W Bush and NASCAR will convince us recalcitrant never-vaxxers to take our covid shot like good little sheep.....


I wouldn't pour goat piss in Bush's ear if his brain was on fire.



Me neither. But I'd sure like to see him on fire...
Posted By: battue Re: Mandatory Cover 19 shot - 03/17/21
Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by Deans
Since we have a cruise in November that will include air flights to and from L.A., CA. we may be forced to take the shot which is being talked about now.


Are you saying the airline might require proof of a vaccine? I hadn't heard that.


Yes they are saying they might, but they haven’t.

There is also an issue if an employer would be held liable over mandatory shots. If someone had a severe adverse event, with a medication with no long term track record...the attorneys will jump on it.

At the hospital a flu shot is mandatory, unless you have a valid reason to refuse. The Covid shot as of now isn’t..

It is mandatory to log in and answer three questions...

Do you have a fever? Do you have a cough? Have you recently been in contact with another who has tested positive and hasn’t had a negative retest? No,no,and no...welcome aboard.
Originally Posted by Tico
Hc I wouldn't trust those lying bastards as far as I could throw them...

We are on the same page then. You were probably referring to freedom of choices perspective.
That to me is the moral ground if we aren't given their only choice..... them restricting our choice to their way or homeless, no ability to travel and jobless.

They already restricted me from flying when TSA said we have to be radiated or have their hands in my pants.
Eventually the norm will be everything must have gt permission under the latest scary plague they'll release. At least thats in their stated plans.
Guys,

I have already heard from around half a dozen sources that restrictions are already being implemented in Israel by Natinyahoo. This is interesting as it......
This will have to wait for another time.

....as Christ said,
"I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now."
Posted By: battue Re: Mandatory Cover 19 shot - 03/17/21
You equating what you know to Christ’s knowledge? I knew it would eventually show itself..only a matter of time..
Posted By: goalie Re: Mandatory Cover 19 shot - 03/17/21
Originally Posted by ElkSlayer91
Originally Posted by goalie
Originally Posted by ElkSlayer91
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The biggest problem with covid is it is a fraud, and not any more deadly than the flu. For example, the fraud it is spread through the air, which is a lie. It is shed through human fecal matter, and scientifically proven. Viruses that are contagious through the air, like the flu and colds, are seasonal and fall off when the warm temperatures of springtime arrive. Covid did not fall like the flu and colds do every single year, and have during all of past history for centuries, which proved 100% it was not being transmitted through the air. It proved it is shed through human fecal, and is why cities were testing sewage treatment plants to determine amount of exposure in cities.



I'm at the part where I can't tell if you're just trolling, or actually that stupid.

😂

I love the fact you are incapable of researching and acquiring scientific evidence to refute the 100% proven scientific evidence I post.

The scientific evidence I post has been proven correct, and is acknowledged by the leading scientists and biologists around the world at the forefront of the virus.

I love the fact you are 100% unable to digest scientific evidence when I post it.

I love the free entertainment.

Carry on.


Free entertainment is reading you saying covid is only transferred by fecal matter and not through droplets you exhale.

Please post any peer reviewed study of covid transmission and the appropriate level of precautions.
Posted By: killerv Re: Mandatory Cover 19 shot - 03/17/21
dont ever use hand dryers in bathrooms folks, the fecal matter it circulates. Ever since I read that article....gross stuff.


My body my choice....thats been the case all these years to liberals...thats no longer the case now? If not, can we go ahead and overturn Roe V Wade?
Posted By: battue Re: Mandatory Cover 19 shot - 03/17/21
killerv.....

Correct on the individual right to refuse care...although right or wrong, there are situations were it has been overturned..


But let’s not forget who was the one that really got the ball rolling with the shot...the one who got it put on the fast track for release....the one who took it himself...the one who was going to have the military used to make it more widely available? You did vote for Trump????? Do you think he was wrong in his efforts to have it brought out quickly?

Since it is now available, if he had won, do you think he would have been advocating for all to have it available and ASAP? If he had won, would most of us be giving him credit for the achievement?

Questions for more than a few.
Posted By: Jim1611 Re: Mandatory Cover 19 shot - 03/17/21
Originally Posted by battue
killerv.....

Correct on the individual right to refuse care...although right or wrong, there are situations were it has been overturned..


But let’s not forget who was the one that really got the ball rolling with the shot...the one who got it put on the fast track for release....the one who took it himself...the one who was going to have the military used to make it more widely available? You did vote for Trump????? Do you think he was wrong in his efforts to have it brought out quickly?

Since it is now available, if he had won, do you think he would have been advocating for all to have it available and ASAP? If he had won, would most of us be giving him credit for the achievement?

Questions for more than a few.





Big difference between Trump and what's in charge now. He never exhibited signs of stripping us of all of our rights. These people are doing it every single day and then some. I know without a doubt in my mind how they think and what they intend to do and non of it involves personal choice or freedom.
Posted By: battue Re: Mandatory Cover 19 shot - 03/17/21
Agree, but for conversation, the questions had to do with his position on the shots.
Posted By: rost495 Re: Mandatory Cover 19 shot - 03/17/21
His position would have been its here if you want it. Its your call
Posted By: Jim1611 Re: Mandatory Cover 19 shot - 03/17/21
Originally Posted by battue
Agree, but for conversation, the questions had to do with his position on the shots.

I'm not sure how he would have acted to be honest but I'd much rather attempt to trust him as the communist.
Posted By: battue Re: Mandatory Cover 19 shot - 03/17/21
Hopefully agree again....but as of now, none are saying the shot is or will be mandatory....

I work in a hospital, could have had the shot and as of now have declined..perhaps the only one in my department that has done so....will be going in shortly....
Posted By: CashisKing Re: Mandatory Cover 19 shot - 03/17/21
Compliance is mandatory.

Those that refuse to comply will be shot for their own safety.
Posted By: battue Re: Mandatory Cover 19 shot - 03/17/21
Originally Posted by Jim1611
Originally Posted by battue
Agree, but for conversation, the questions had to do with his position on the shots.

I'm not sure how he would have acted to be honest but I'd much rather attempt to trust him as the communist.



Interesting, that you are "not sure"...
Posted By: battue Re: Mandatory Cover 19 shot - 03/17/21
I'm sure that if he had won he would be saying....

"We put a lot of effort into this, I placed it on the fast track, I made sure Pharma had the resources and money to accomplish it in record time....I think it would be wise for all to take advantage of the efforts and dedication of the many who made it happen...I even took it myself."
Posted By: Cheyenne Re: Mandatory Cover 19 shot - 03/17/21
Originally Posted by Jim1611

Big difference between Trump and what's in charge now. He never exhibited signs of stripping us of all of our rights. These people are doing it every single day and then some. I know without a doubt in my mind how they think and what they intend to do and non of it involves personal choice or freedom.


I think the whole COVID thing was over-hyped, and that vaccination is largely unnecessary for all but the most elderly and the sickest people. I had no plan to take the vaccine (or whatever you want to call it). (I may have had the COVID in January 2020, after a trip to D.C.) I agree that the current administration is pushing this far beyond where it needs to go. But, I have had to take two plane trips over the last few months due to a death in the family. One was pre-vaccine and one was right at the start of the rollout. I was going to a place with a high infection rate. The planes are crowded because the airlines are only flying profitable runs. My concern wasn’t over getting sick, but over being stuck renting a hotel room and/or a car for a long stretch because they wouldn’t let me fly back if I had a fever. Even so, the people I dealt with during my visits (including a few who were very elderly and/or vulnerable) were super paranoid about my not being vaccinated, even if they already had been vaccinated. I think that the social stigma and governmental and private sector rules and regulations impacting the non-vaccinated are going to linger for years as variants of this virus work their way around the world.

It may come down to whether one wants to live in a cave for a couple of years or go out and live life. I, for one, plan on getting out and doing a lot of travel this year. If I decide that it will make it significantly more practical for me to travel, I am going to consider taking a shot when I meet the criteria to receive it. We'll see. And, if I grow a third eye in 10 years, I probably could use the help with my vision. If I were younger or planned on spreading my genes around, I would be less inclined. I think that younger people should put more thought into it.
Posted By: Raeford Re: Mandatory Cover 19 shot - 03/17/21
"I think that the social stigma and governmental and private sector rules and regulations impacting the non-vaccinated are going to linger for years as variants of this virus work their way around the world."

This^^^
I see it in people that I'd honestly never thought would be so inclined.
Posted By: battue Re: Mandatory Cover 19 shot - 03/17/21
Hawkeye and I seldom agree on medical issues, but his view that Covid is dying its own slow death has a good chance of being correct..

Good chance it will become a distant memory for future discussion.

There are conversations happening NOW about a "passport" of sorts. Feds are talking to tech and states are asking feds to set standards. Feds are for now, saying "not my job" which its not. There are privacy issues, records availability issues and moral issues. For now at least the states/industry are not saying it's required, just voluntary and a way you will be able to avoid quarantines etc. Airlines, as private industry, may require it, but them as "private industry" is questionable with fed involvement as well.

This one is scary and I don't trust it at all.
Posted By: Cheyenne Re: Mandatory Cover 19 shot - 03/17/21
Originally Posted by battue
Hawkeye and I seldom agree on medical issues, but his view that Covid is dying its own slow death has a good chance of being correct..

Good chance it will become a distant memory for future discussion.


That possibility, and the ability to see what the vaccines are doing to others, are good reasons to delay a decision until necessary.
Posted By: rost495 Re: Mandatory Cover 19 shot - 03/17/21
I'm sure they know this and are working on the next plandemic as we speak
Originally Posted by battue
You equating what you know to Christ’s knowledge? I knew it would eventually show itself..only a matter of time..

Last night it was late and not the time to post heavy Bible prophecy. Besides a ground work must be laid upon good soil. As predictable as the fowls are, you foul birds would come before noon the next day to snatch up the valuable seed that I had sown.

As to equating myself with Christ's knowledge, He is ALL knowing, but I only know very small parts. I share that with those willing and able to understand.
I know Him and spend time learning from Him. He commanded me to share what you see in my signature link. My quote of Him was not the first and it will not be the last. It is very appropriate for me to quote Him this way, because He is my Commander and you are just an accuser.

"But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged of you, or of man's judgment...."
" But we have the mind of Christ."

I Corinthians 2:16; 4:3
Posted By: Raeford Re: Mandatory Cover 19 shot - 03/17/21
Originally Posted by battue
I'm sure that if he had won he would be saying....

"We put a lot of effort into this, I placed it on the fast track, I made sure Pharma had the resources and money to accomplish it in record time....I think it would be wise for all to take advantage of the efforts and dedication of the many who made it happen...I even took it myself."


What makes YOU 'sure'?
Posted By: battue Re: Mandatory Cover 19 shot - 03/17/21
His past history of response.
Posted By: gunner500 Re: Mandatory Cover 19 shot - 03/17/21
Originally Posted by Deans
Not to hijack the other COVID 19 thread.

I have no interest whether a person takes the COVID 19 shot or doesn't. Every one needs to make their own decision. My concern is being forced to take the shot for public transportation as in the mask mandates that are in place now.
My wife and I both spent the Christmas and New Years with the china virus and we are getting close to 90 days before we can take the shot. Since we have a cruise in November that will include air flights to and from L.A., CA. we may be forced to take the shot which is being talked about now.
I am on the fence of whether or not the CV shot should be taken I am not in favor of being forced to take the shot.'
What say you?


Welp, my Wife had to take the shot for her job in the medical industry, she's had both rounds [pfizer] and is fine so far, i signed a contract and gave my word with that girl for better or worse, if it kills us, fine, i'll go with her, if she dies in a car wreck would i kill myself? no, but, i want to hunt Africa with her again, many, many more times, i reckon with international travel they'll need proof.
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