What is wrong with a Taurus G2C or G3C other than they don't cost a lot? I have been reading positive things about them. However, while I don't know nearly as much about pistols as I do hunting rifles, I do remember Taurus not being particularly well thought of back in the day. But things can change. A pistol and three magazines for $300 seems like a good deal.....maybe too good?
What is your preferred cartridge/bullet weight for a compact short barreled 9mm pistol such as this for self defense/concealed carry?
Reliability, durability and "shootability" should be foremost. If you use it and trust it with your life and the lives of your family then carry it. One factor to consider is that to be "armed" you must be trained. (purchasing a guitar will not make me Eddie Van Halen) No, I'm not talking down to people who don't have thousands of hours of formal training. You must practice though. The reason I bring this up is that the journey of several thousand rounds in the interest of building competence under duress, will reveal a pistol's durability. One reason so many people use Glocks. Because so many use Glocks they are supported across the spectrum (ie. mags, holsters, lights, sights etc.). For example, if you don't like the couple of holsters available for the Taurus you may be SOL.
I've rambled, my apologies.
Ammo: Hornady Critical Duty, make sure it hits where your sights are aimed then set it aside and get all the ball ammo you can and practice.
I do not know anything about Taurus G, but can recommend ammo. The choices are in no particular order: Federal HST, Winchester PDX, Remington Golden Saber, Speer Gold Dot, Hornady Critical Duty. As long as it is reliable in particular gun there is no going wrong with any of these. I happened to use Gold Dot 124gr because that is what shop had at the time. If you want a little less recoil and flash there is Federal HST Micro with special powder blend for small handguns.
I do not know anything about Taurus G, but can recommend ammo. The choices are in no particular order: Federal HST, Winchester PDX, Remington Golden Saber, Speer Gold Dot, Hornady Critical Duty. As long as it is reliable in particular gun there is no going wrong with any of these. I happened to use Gold Dot 124gr because that is what shop had at the time. If you want a little less recoil and flash there is Federal HST Micro with special powder blend for small handguns.
I was told by a policeman that you need to use factory ammo in your carry gun because if you ever do have to kill someone and wind up in court the scumbag's scumbag lawyer will try to paint you as a vigilante, militia member, white supremacist, etc. whose hobby was loading up "extra deadly super lethal hombrew ammo" whilst masturbating to the thought of killing a poor disadvantaged black child and you finally got your chance when Vontavious tried to knock your brains out. He was a goot boy, just getting his life together dontcha know?
I have a Glock 26 that had been my EDC for quite some time but the “pinky hang” bugged me.
I got a great deal on a G3C and it fits me beautifully. Love the texture and length of grip it is perfect to me. The mags are solid, feed beautifully, and mine has run through 115 FMJ & JHPs without any sort of hiccup. The sights are Glock comparable so I got some high vis Trijicons, but the stock ones (blacked out rear, white dot front) are not terrible. Some may well prefer them over Glock.
All that having been said while Glock triggers leave much to be desired I like the G26’s better.
As has been mentioned Taurus can be excellent for the money but QC is lacking so it could be a PITA.
My G3C replaced my G26 as EDC, but only after sufficient number of rounds run through flawlessly.
I was told by a policeman that you need to use factory ammo in your carry gun because if you ever do have to kill someone and wind up in court the scumbag's scumbag lawyer will try to paint you as a vigilante, militia member, white supremacist, etc. whose hobby was loading up "extra deadly super lethal hombrew ammo" whilst masturbating to the thought of killing a poor disadvantaged black child and you finally got your chance when Vontavious tried to knock your brains out. He was a goot boy, just getting his life together dontcha know?
Practice ammo? Load away.
Yeah, I’ve heard that for years too, but writer Brian Pearce looked into it and found no actual cases of that happening.
Face it, if you shoot someone, chances are you’re in for a bit of trouble, or a whole schittload, depending on circumstances and where you live. Here in WV, unless there’s serious evidence of wrongdoing by a defensive shooter, you aren’t subject to arrest or detention. How that works in practice I have no idea.
I was told by a policeman that you need to use factory ammo in your carry gun because if you ever do have to kill someone and wind up in court the scumbag's scumbag lawyer will try to paint you as a vigilante, militia member, white supremacist, etc. whose hobby was loading up "extra deadly super lethal hombrew ammo" whilst masturbating to the thought of killing a poor disadvantaged black child and you finally got your chance when Vontavious tried to knock your brains out. He was a goot boy, just getting his life together dontcha know?
It's a trite response but, "how much is your life worth?"
Economize on plinkers or truck guns, not something you might have to use to save your life or the lives of others. You don't need to get top tier competition ready gear for self defense but there are a bunch of brands out there with excellent reputations for reliability, durability, and good ergonomics that don't cost a whole lot more than the Taurus.
Being a cheapskate and buying a bargain basement pistol to be used to potentially save your life, is like saying "what's wrong with buying this $300 parachute? It looks just like the expensive ones that cost $2500. It will probably work when I need it to."
There is a reason why no professional outfits carry Taurus.
To each their own, but I would never recommend a Taurus. There are plenty of good used HKs, Glocks, S&Ws, Sigs, and other actual service grade handguns on the market that have a long, well established record of working.
It's a trite response but, "how much is your life worth?"
Economize on plinkers or truck guns, not something you might have to use to save your life or the lives of others. You don't need to get top tier competition ready gear for self defense but there are a bunch of brands out there with excellent reputations for reliability, durability, and good ergonomics that don't cost a whole lot more than the Taurus.
Buy it, clean it, lube it, shoot it and make it run.
Simple
Price or brand is not a factor.
If ya can't make it run, send it back to the manufacturer and let them have a go at it.
I have been shooting the CZ 75Dpcr for 17 years now, and can't find a single thing wrong with it. Same size, maybe thinner, than the Sig P365x, but I think a better pistol.
I was told by a policeman that you need to use factory ammo in your carry gun because if you ever do have to kill someone and wind up in court the scumbag's scumbag lawyer will try to paint you as a vigilante, militia member, white supremacist, etc. whose hobby was loading up "extra deadly super lethal hombrew ammo" whilst masturbating to the thought of killing a poor disadvantaged black child and you finally got your chance when Vontavious tried to knock your brains out. He was a goot boy, just getting his life together dontcha know?
Being a cheapskate and buying a bargain basement pistol to be used to potentially save your life, is like saying "what's wrong with buying this $300 parachute? It looks just like the expensive ones that cost $2500. It will probably work when I need it to."
There is a reason why no professional outfits carry Taurus.
To each their own, but I would never recommend a Taurus. There are plenty of good used HKs, Glocks, S&Ws, Sigs, and other actual service grade handguns on the market that have a long, well established record of working.
I agree 100% with what Mackay says. Ask yourself what is your life worth and what do professional who have lots of experience with this use. A used service grade pistol is a much better choice. Of the used pistols, I'd go with the Glock because they are the most common and it's easiest to get spare parts for them. If you are looking for a new pistol, check out the Beretta APX, I just purchased a new one for $349 + tax, it's not very popular but it is a quality service grade pistol from a major manufacturer.
It's a trite response but, "how much is your life worth?"
Economize on plinkers or truck guns, not something you might have to use to save your life or the lives of others. You don't need to get top tier competition ready gear for self defense but there are a bunch of brands out there with excellent reputations for reliability, durability, and good ergonomics that don't cost a whole lot more than the Taurus.
Buy it, clean it, lube it, shoot it and make it run.
Simple
Price or brand is not a factor.
If ya can't make it run, send it back to the manufacturer and let them have a go at it.
When did it become the buyers responsibility to "make it run". Price or brand is not a factor? You've made my idiots list.
I've had the Millennium G2 for several years. I bought it new.. It's never bobbled or given me any reason to doubt it'll work when I need it. The trigger breaks closer to the grip than my other 9s which might annoy some folks but it fits my hand well and I like it.
It's a trite response but, "how much is your life worth?"
Economize on plinkers or truck guns, not something you might have to use to save your life or the lives of others. You don't need to get top tier competition ready gear for self defense but there are a bunch of brands out there with excellent reputations for reliability, durability, and good ergonomics that don't cost a whole lot more than the Taurus.
Buy it, clean it, lube it, shoot it and make it run.
Simple
Price or brand is not a factor.
If ya can't make it run, send it back to the manufacturer and let them have a go at it.
When did it become the buyers responsibility to "make it run". Price or brand is not a factor? You've made my idiots list.
Go buy a Highpoint and see if it runs.
Ugly, fat, blocky, but they run.
I have a Dan Wesson 10MM CBOB that cost me quite a bit more that this Taurus and it took two trips back to the manufacturer to make it run.
I have a Ruger SR 22 that was completely f*cked up that had to back after the first range session.
I have a CZ PO-6 that will eat everything, even crusty tarnished schit many would throw away.
I have a S&W E Series CBoB, that had to go back twice, not because it didn't run, but because the safety was F-ed up.
I Had a Kimber 1911, sold it, nuff said.
I have a Stoeger Cougar I payed less than $350 new, thousands of rounds and never missed as beat.
I have a three of Para 1911's, The 14-45 double stack had some issues when new, the cheap Expert has never missed.
My point, Price is not always a factor on whether a semi-auto pistol will run or not.
I had a g2c & I liked it really well for a $200 pistol. The trigger had a weird catch though. I'm not a fan of trigger safety blades on any handgun. It ran well & was as accurate as I am. The sights on the g2c are cheap, be better if they were dovetailed. I traded it for a Mossberg 12 gauge & a Glenfield .22 auto last year. I got a Taurus 8 shot revolver this year, & it's a piece of junk as much as I wanted to like it I can't.
I have a Glock 26 that had been my EDC for quite some time but the “pinky hang” bugged me.
I got a great deal on a G3C and it fits me beautifully. Love the texture and length of grip it is perfect to me. The mags are solid, feed beautifully, and mine has run through 115 FMJ & JHPs without any sort of hiccup. The sights are Glock comparable so I got some high vis Trijicons, but the stock ones (blacked out rear, white dot front) are not terrible. Some may well prefer them over Glock.
All that having been said while Glock triggers leave much to be desired I like the G26’s better.
As has been mentioned Taurus can be excellent for the money but QC is lacking so it could be a PITA.
My G3C replaced my G26 as EDC, but only after sufficient number of rounds run through flawlessly.
The Pearce grip extensions take carry of the hanging pinky issue with the Glock 26, at least for me. But I have medium/small hands.
I was told by a policeman that you need to use factory ammo in your carry gun because if you ever do have to kill someone and wind up in court the scumbag's scumbag lawyer will try to paint you as a vigilante, militia member, white supremacist, etc. whose hobby was loading up "extra deadly super lethal hombrew ammo" whilst masturbating to the thought of killing a poor disadvantaged black child and you finally got your chance when Vontavious tried to knock your brains out. He was a goot boy, just getting his life together dontcha know?
I was told by a policeman that you need to use factory ammo in your carry gun because if you ever do have to kill someone and wind up in court the scumbag's scumbag lawyer will try to paint you as a vigilante, militia member, white supremacist, etc. whose hobby was loading up "extra deadly super lethal hombrew ammo" whilst masturbating to the thought of killing a poor disadvantaged black child and you finally got your chance when Vontavious tried to knock your brains out. He was a goot boy, just getting his life together dontcha know?
Practice ammo? Load away.
That's not what my attorney says.
Get a different attorney, or ask him to supply you with a single SD case where handloads was a issue in court.
I am glad you were available to answer question being asked.
The question has been answered. Buy whatever you like and have faith it works if you need it. I’ll stick to proven combat weapons in a combat proven caliber. I’m not risking my life on a marginal quality, non combat proven gun no matter the price. I carry a Sig P220 or my Sig 1911 95% of the time. The other 5% is a pocket carried j frame S&W if I can’t conceal a larger gun. I take personal protection seriously. Others might not and feel comfortable carrying something different. I’ve never heard a story of a guy wishing he had less ammo, a smaller caliber or a schittier gun when things went south. Remember you don’t get to pick your gunfight.
I was told by a policeman that you need to use factory ammo in your carry gun because if you ever do have to kill someone and wind up in court the scumbag's scumbag lawyer will try to paint you as a vigilante, militia member, white supremacist, etc. whose hobby was loading up "extra deadly super lethal hombrew ammo" whilst masturbating to the thought of killing a poor disadvantaged black child and you finally got your chance when Vontavious tried to knock your brains out. He was a goot boy, just getting his life together dontcha know?
Practice ammo? Load away.
That's not what my attorney says.
Get a different attorney, or ask him to supply you with a single SD case where handloads was a issue in court.
I was told by a policeman that you need to use factory ammo in your carry gun because if you ever do have to kill someone and wind up in court the scumbag's scumbag lawyer will try to paint you as a vigilante, militia member, white supremacist, etc. whose hobby was loading up "extra deadly super lethal hombrew ammo" whilst masturbating to the thought of killing a poor disadvantaged black child and you finally got your chance when Vontavious tried to knock your brains out. He was a goot boy, just getting his life together dontcha know?
Practice ammo? Load away.
That's not what my attorney says.
Get a different attorney, or ask him to supply you with a single SD case where handloads was a issue in court.
Since there are ammo shortages in USA lets expand selection topic. The old style non-premium ammo is still perfectly fine to buy and use. It just does not meet certain federal police standards under more rigorous testing conditions (additional barrier(s) in front of target,......) but for civilian defensive use it is perfectly good ammo. This induces Sierra Outdoor Master (also available under Sig Sauer line), Federal Punch, Hornady Critical Defense, Winchester Silvertip, Remington HTP, Federal Classic HiShok..... There are certain loads that may function in military guns not designed (P-38, Star Super,.....) for jhp ammo. These include: Federal Syntech Defense, Federal Classic Hi-shok 115gr. These have smaller cavity and shape very similar to fmj bullets. I would stay away from +p or +p+ even if gun is so rated because it increases recoil, muzzle flash for no benefit.
Taurus used to have problems. Some models were better than others Multiple CEO changes with promises time and again to "make things better".
Maybe they did. Maybe they didn't.
Worked in a gun shop that sold a bunch of them (because of consumer demand), sent a bunch back. 10 yrs ago they sucked as a company as did their products.
Dunno if things have improved. I wouldn't risk it.
There is nothing wrong with either pistol. Taurus is not the same company of a decade ago. They’ve made huge improvements in their product line. I have a g2c, the price was worth the imagined risk, sub $200 after the rebate. My only gripe was the trigger. I picked up a G3 last year and it’s a solid performer.
A pistol like this is not a range toy; it's not a hunting pistol; it's only useful for sanctioned competition in a limited number of circumstance....all they are good for is as a concealed carry weapon. For anything else you might use a pistol for, there are better choices than pocket-sized 9mm pistols. Given the gravity of the only rational use for these things (defense of one's person and family from potentially fatal circumstances, doesn't it only make sense to get the best you can. For me, that happens to be the Sig 365. Mine has been 100% reliable, it's very easy to carry. It's not unpleasant to shoot, so just about every time I go to the range it gets some use, at least a couple of plate racks. I've had/have a lot of pistols, many little pocket guns. I've never found one as trouble-free, easy to shoot and easy to carry as my Sig 365. If I ever do, I'll buy it. Until then....
If you are worried about carry ammo, find out what your local police/sheriffs carry and use that.
Why?
Because in police work there is very good chance the weapon will have to be used, therefore, it has to be reliable and effective. This means one does not have to research stuff they can just buy it and use it. From what I remember American Police usually use Speer Gold Dot or Winchester Ranger T (PDX1 +P).
If you are worried about carry ammo, find out what your local police/sheriffs carry and use that.
Why?
Because in police work there is very good chance the weapon will have to be used, therefore, it has to be reliable and effective. This means one does not have to research stuff they can just buy it and use it. From what I remember American Police usually use Speer Gold Dot or Winchester Ranger T (PDX1 +P).
Originally Posted by NVhntr
Originally Posted by Slavek
Originally Posted by steve4102
Originally Posted by TBREW401
If you are worried about carry ammo, find out what your local police/sheriffs carry and use that.
Why?
Because in police work there is very good chance the weapon will have to be used, therefore, it has to be reliable and effective.
Are Taurus pistols used by Brazilian police or military? By other South American-Central American police or military?
Bruce
Bruce, Beretta built a plant in Brazil to manufacture the 92 Beretta for the Brazilian military. When the contract was complete they sold the plant to Taurus with the technical data package for that pistol. I did not mean to bash all Taurus products in that post. I do not own a Taurus PT-92 or a PT-99 but have many friends that do and I have shot them often enough to be familiar with them. In my opinion, and it's worth what you paid for it, the Taurus PT92 & PT99 are as reliable as the Beretta 92F's that I own. I believe that the PT-92 was also used by the Brazilian police at one time. I don't know if they still do. It's their more recent polymer pistols that I would be concerned about.
I got a used G2C from a friend who works for Dallas Sheriffs department. He probably put 300 rounds through it starting from right out of the box to when I traded a Mossberg pump for it. I bought a 200 round box of Federal 115 gr. FMJ and got my stepson, his son and my wife to burn it up for practice one afternoon. They got it hot emptying the three magazines as fast as they could several times. Never a bobble. Accurate little pistol too. Took it apart, cleaned it and gave it to my stepson. This particular example I have no worries it will go off when needed or that if needed you could run 30 plus rounds through it if that was what the situation required. I then went to Academy and got a G3C for some under $240. Better trigger and right from the box I ran a hundred rounds through it no problems and it came sighted in. This one is also a very good shooter. My Sheriffs department friend bought himself an 8 shot Walther PPS 9mm pocket pistol and still doesn't trust it. Wishes he had kept the G2. He has run some three hundred rounds through the Walther and has had many stovepipe type jams. The Walther is slimmer but he is just not confident he will get through a magazine without some kind of malfunction. He needs to send it back but he would have to buy another pistol to carry while it is away. However almost any reliable pistol will get the job done. Just because I had 2 positive experiences with these Taurus pistols does not mean they all will be trouble free just as his Walther is probably not representative of all Walthers. No matter what you buy you need to run at least a couple hundred rounds through it to get an idea of how reliable it is and to get a feel for the pistol.
I have never owned a Taurus, and have never shot a semi auto Taurus. The one Taurus I have shot was a K-frame S&W wannabe. It was a clunky thing that wouldn't impress me at all. If the semi auto is of similar craftsmanship I'd pass it by. I saw one Taurus I would have bought in a heartbeat but as a Canadian citizen I couldn't buy guns in Michigan. It was a PT-1911 in 45ACP. Solid as a rock.
Someone mentioned a CZ-75 of some iteration. I have owned one of the original CZ-75 before they had the 75B and the rest. That thing shoots like a laser guided missile -- cast or jacketed bullets -- of various weights. The trigger --- like every CZ firearm I have ever shot -- is amazing. My brother has one and my daughter and son in law each have one. If I could go armed,it would be my choice. SIG makes good concealed carry pistols P238 was a good one. It is my BIL's constant companion, but that may be a 380.
Spend some money. What is the value of your wife and kids?
A few years ago I was asked to come instruct a group of Brazilian gentleman in the martial use of weapons/fine tuning their skill sets. Long story short, they came from all over Brazil. The class ended up being a little smaller than anticipated due to some of the people on the roster being killed in the line of duty in the short time between signing up and attending the train-up. Still it was a full class, and they were very eager students and outstanding men.
A number of the men attending the training were from their federal GOE (Grupo de Operaçoes Especiais), which was the equivalent of our FBI HRT (Hostage Rescue Team). Their primary job was hostage rescue and counter terrorism. They have a massive problem with terrorism/narco-terrorism in Brazil. They were very busy guys to say the least. Brazil is not some tiny little third world craphole. They have over 200 Million people in their country and the GOE guys were well trained, professionals who took their job seriously.
In talking with them, they were getting into shootings more often than many of our front line units were during the peak of the Iraq conflict (at the time).
Naturally the topic of guns came up. The short version is that they have an extremely hard time getting weapons there. Most are indifferent, like most professionals are, as long as it goes bang every single time. Many use Taurus handguns. That was where the problem was. Many absolutely hated Taurus handguns. Almost everybody coveted an HK, Glock, or Sig. I would say that 90+% wanted a Glock.
Many thought a genuine Colt 1911 .45 was the coolest thing on the planet.
We were using G17s for the training and guys were trying to buy them, which was not a legal possibility.
They stated that they had major issues with their guns, did not trust them to work properly, and if they were turned in, they may not get one back. This was a few years ago, when in the states a box of 9mm was still around $12 per 50. They stated that they were paying $1 per round for 9mm and lucky to get it.
So when people say " what do the the military and police carry in Brazil?" you might want to ask if the person has any first hand experience in dealing with the Brazilian military and police.
Short version is that even Brazilians don't like Taurus products..
CZ makes a high quality pistol that is also a ‘bargain’. I suppose it’s all relative, but I think there’s a ton of value in that brand. Wouldn’t even look at a Taurus.
A few years ago I was asked to come instruct a group of Brazilian gentleman in the martial use of weapons/fine tuning their skill sets. Long story short, they came from all over Brazil. The class ended up being a little smaller than anticipated due to some of the people on the roster being killed in the line of duty in the short time between signing up and attending the train-up. Still it was a full class, and they were very eager students and outstanding men.
A number of the men attending the training were from their federal GOE (Grupo de Operaçoes Especiais), which was the equivalent of our FBI HRT (Hostage Rescue Team). Their primary job was hostage rescue and counter terrorism. They have a massive problem with terrorism/narco-terrorism in Brazil. They were very busy guys to say the least. Brazil is not some tiny little third world craphole. They have over 200 Million people in their country and the GOE guys were well trained, professionals who took their job seriously.
In talking with them, they were getting into shootings more often than many of our front line units were during the peak of the Iraq conflict (at the time).
Naturally the topic of guns came up. The short version is that they have an extremely hard time getting weapons there. Most are indifferent, like most professionals are, as long as it goes bang every single time. Many use Taurus handguns. That was where the problem was. Many absolutely hated Taurus handguns. Almost everybody coveted an HK, Glock, or Sig. I would say that 90+% wanted a Glock.
Many thought a genuine Colt 1911 .45 was the coolest thing on the planet.
We were using G17s for the training and guys were trying to buy them, which was not a legal possibility.
They stated that they had major issues with their guns, did not trust them to work properly, and if they were turned in, they may not get one back. This was a few years ago, when in the states a box of 9mm was still around $12 per 50. They stated that they were paying $1 per round for 9mm and lucky to get it.
So when people say " what do the the military and police carry in Brazil?" you might want to ask if the person has any first hand experience in dealing with the Brazilian military and police.
Short version is that even Brazilians don't like Taurus products..
Are Taurus pistols used by Brazilian police or military? By other South American-Central American police or military?
Bruce
What is the point you are trying to make Bruce?
No point. Someone mentioned no organization used Taurus pistols. I'm guessing that means in the USA. I was wondering about South American organizations.
I’m a fan of the Ruger LC 9. You wouldn’t thing a single stack vs a double stack 9mm mag design would make much of a difference but for me it does. I suppose I should look at a Glock 43.
I had a Taurus G2, no malfunctions over the short time I had it. IIRC I replaced the polymer guide rod/captive spring assembly with an aftermarket steel one.
The Sig P365 is da bomb, but again for me it’s a tad wide and hefty, especially the ambidextrous safety version.
I do like the takedown protocol on the Sig, one of the few designs where you don’t have to pull the trigger first. The Ruger LC9 actually has a little pin that comes out, little and easy to misplace or drop.
I do not see any problem buying this gun if person just wants affordable easy to carry defensive pistol. Assuming two magazines about 50 rounds per mag with JHP ammo of choice and one should be ready to carry it. If one is looking for something to be shot thousands of times they make different guns for that. My friend bought a used Glock at place where they also had indoor range. He had employee test fire with few rounds per magazine and bought the gun and rest of the ammo in the box. Being Gen 3 Glock in top shape this was deemed ready to carry. Later practice proved initial assertion correct, no malfunctions of any kind. That is why I recommend used G26 Gen 3 to new gun buyers who are not interested in extensive testing before putting piece to intended use. This really save time and ammo and to some time is very expensive proposition. Lot of times one can find second hand Glock in excellent shape with quality sights installed for less then a new one, wonderful.
I do not see any problem buying this gun if person just wants affordable easy to carry defensive pistol. Assuming two magazines about 50 rounds per mag with JHP ammo of choice and one should be ready to carry it. If one is looking for something to be shot thousands of times they make different guns for that. My friend bought a used Glock at place where they also had indoor range. He had employee test fire with few rounds per magazine and bought the gun and rest of the ammo in the box. Being Gen 3 Glock in top shape this was deemed ready to carry. Later practice proved initial assertion correct, no malfunctions of any kind.
Not read all the replies for me personally the triggers are terrible that's my biggest issue with them not a lot of experience with them though , but I have shot at few
I do not see any problem buying this gun if person just wants affordable easy to carry defensive pistol. Assuming two magazines about 50 rounds per mag with JHP ammo of choice and one should be ready to carry it. If one is looking for something to be shot thousands of times they make different guns for that. My friend bought a used Glock at place where they also had indoor range. He had employee test fire with few rounds per magazine and bought the gun and rest of the ammo in the box. Being Gen 3 Glock in top shape this was deemed ready to carry. Later practice proved initial assertion correct, no malfunctions of any kind.
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Glock 43x and 48. The Gen 5,s are 👍👍👍👍👍 Been looking at em for back pocket blue jean pistol.
Commonality, parts availability, and strong reliability history.
Have owned alot of pistols. Have sold alot of pistols Have had 5 different glock models. I always seem to come back to glock.
They dont fail. With the Gen 5 features and upgrades they have apexed, but their is always more to come. Best striker fired pistol I have ever had. It points natrual, shoots accurately ( which is the most importatnt thing to me) and is a proven reliable design. I doubt I send my G17 gen5 down the road.
I have been shooting the CZ 75Dpcr for 17 years now, and can't find a single thing wrong with it. Same size, maybe thinner, than the Sig P365x, but I think a better pistol.
The gun that Mannlicher is showing is an aluminum framed, compact version of the CZ 75. That design is one of the most well proven designs ever fielded and found throughout the world. CZs tend to be a bit less expensive (sometimes, depending on the model) than their respective counterparts.
A quick look at Gunbroker shows that you can get a CZ P10, P09, or a P07, each with a price of less than $500. There are also a number of used CZ-75s on there in the same price range. Buying CZ that has a worldwide reputation for producing superbly reliable pistols (and other arms) makes a lot more sense than buying a Taurus, which has a very well deserved reputation for questionable reliability, and poorly designed products. I personally won't play the Taurus lottery.
Glock 43x and 48. The Gen 5,s are 👍👍👍👍👍 Been looking at em for back pocket blue jean pistol.
Commonality, parts availability, and strong reliability history.
Have owned alot of pistols. Have sold alot of pistols Have had 5 different glock models. I always seem to come back to glock.
They dont fail. With the Gen 5 features and upgrades they have apexed, but their is always more to come. Best striker fired pistol I have ever had. It points natrual, shoots accurately ( which is the most importatnt thing to me) and is a proven reliable design. I doubt I send my G17 gen5 down the road.
Too each their own.....
Unless one really needs left hand controls I would not worry about getting G5 instead of one of the previous generations. This is especially true for subcompacts which always had dual recoil spring assembly. Unless one is going to shoot lot of "spicy" .40S&W ammo (Buffalo Bore, Doubletap, Underwood come to mind) heaver slide of Gen 5 .40 is not really necessary.
Glock 43x and 48. The Gen 5,s are 👍👍👍👍👍 Been looking at em for back pocket blue jean pistol.
Commonality, parts availability, and strong reliability history.
Have owned alot of pistols. Have sold alot of pistols Have had 5 different glock models. I always seem to come back to glock.
They dont fail. With the Gen 5 features and upgrades they have apexed, but their is always more to come. Best striker fired pistol I have ever had. It points natrual, shoots accurately ( which is the most importatnt thing to me) and is a proven reliable design. I doubt I send my G17 gen5 down the road.
Too each their own.....
Unless one really needs left hand controls I would not worry about getting G5 instead of one of the previous generations. This is especially true for subcompacts which always had dual recoil spring assembly. Unless one is going to shoot lot of "spicy" .40S&W ammo (Buffalo Bore, Doubletap, Underwood come to mind) heaver slide of Gen 5 .40 is not really necessary.
NGAF about what you have to say. In case you have never noticed......
I have been shooting the CZ 75Dpcr for 17 years now, and can't find a single thing wrong with it. Same size, maybe thinner, than the Sig P365x, but I think a better pistol.
Mannlicher, I agree, my son has a CZ 75 D PCR that he sent to Cajun Gunworks to have the sights and trigger upgraded. It's an awesome pistol and he loves it. It was great out of the box, he just wanted to customize it a little. It is stone cold reliable.
He is big time influencer with very large membership, therefore, in order to be very successful and continue he has to find a way to like everything. While I am not a fan he was objective did real good job in this video. Naturally, when Sig, Glock, S&W,...fans see Taurus pictured next to those guns with favorable assessment they will get little agitated and upset.
while my own choice is a SIG P365, I have friends who shoot and carry both of the Taurus pistols you asked about. They have had good results and like them and like the price.
My choice of carry ammo is the Federal 147 grain HST. It should work well in the Taurus, if it feeds reliably. Not the highest MV but quite a bit of penetration and appropriate expansion.
Nothing wrong with either Taurus though I would favor the G3C for a CC EDC.
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