https://twitter.com/alexberenson/status/1430196640946786314?s=21

The rest of the deaths,most likely,had co-morbidities and were called covid deaths to collect the government bounty.

Interesting

I didn’t know they were able to differentiate the VOC at bedside

We're only talking about COVID deaths....

You'd have to know the percentage of vaxxed vs unvaxxed in the general population for it to have any meaning. Naturally if 90% of the people in the area are vaxxed {like in Isreal} then more cases/deaths are likely to be vaxxed.

Man, less traffic by next year, mo betta odds in the hunting lotteries

I thought they said if you were faxed that you would not get as ill. Oh well next theory. Edk

Well that means they need to come up with another excuse for them.

But they never make mention about folks that had the original bug and lived,compared to the new bug.

Your an idiot 63% of the death are fully vaccinated that is real meaning

You're the fuggin idiot. If 90% of the population in the area are vaxxed, then 90% of the deaths would have to be vaxxed in order to be breaking even percentage wise with unvaxxed deaths. If 63% of the deaths are vaxxed and 63% of the population in the area are vaxxed, then the odds of death between vaxxed and unvaxxed are even because 37% were unvaxxed and they accounted for 37% of the deaths.. Of course your dumb ass won't be able to grasp that so you might better just STFU and let people with an IQ higher than that of a goldfish discuss the issue. Moron.

With this small sampling the whole thing is anecdotal and basically meaningless at this point.

However, if this trend continues over a longer period of time it becomes meaningful and alarming.

BlackBart is lobbying for more government cheese . You go, girl

LMAO

Yeah well it still contradicts the "facts" that the vaccinated ones do not get as sick as the rest of us non vaxed dumbassses. Don't see how you can argue with that but get after it.

Who is to decide what to believe anymore? Zilch for me.

When 60% have tcell immunity, its all anecdotal anyway. You could give skittles and have a 60% or better success rate .

So when 60% have tcell immunity and you have this many breakthrough cases, its an abysmal failure. I thing the latest Israeli study says vax 39% effective

I always get my health advise on twitter ... LOL

There were over 90 deaths during that period, and 37 had been vaxed.

average hospitalizations were about 225 per week, 80 were vaxed.


Almost all the vaxed had health issues aside from Rona. Hypertension, diabetic, etc.

Locally we are running almost 90% unvaxed in the hospital, same as most places across the country that are having a run of Delta. I know someone vaxxed that is very sick right now.


Someone else do the math and prove me wrong, the numbers are what they are. In places were the hospital systems get overwhelmed there will be lockdown again. The models are not looking good for this fall. Hawaii is already fugged, lots of obese people there, they are already running short of beds and staff and it's just the start of this round. I expect by September Hawaii will be in lockdown again. Places like Montana will just stack patients and call in the guard to change diapers.


disclaimer: I in no way condone lockdowns, forced vaccines, etc. I just like to under understand what is going to happen so I'm not caught off guard. My best guess is things are going to [bleep] this fall, it will be as bad as the spike last year in terms of hospitalizations and deaths. Lock downs just spread it out, they won't stop it from running it's course.

If you go by the best example we have (Israel) sept/oct around the US is gonna be tuff

I have no clue what to think or who to believe. Gateway Pundit tonite says they had 27 positives and one death on a 100% vaccinated Carnival cruise ship. Not a very high recommendation for the pokes.

I tend to watch the Israel data, there is no political BS going on there and they are 3-4 months ahead of the US. Hawaii has a model showing a 5x-6x pop in todays numbers topping in October. I hope the Hawaii model is wrong, otherwise it's going to be a mess in a few weeks through October.

Soros and Gates wanted to finally exterminate the jews and they will succeed .

They wanted to kill black folk off for good but they just ain’t vaxing

Here it's low single percentage on those hospitalized with full complement of vaccine. I've been getting some daily census data from some of the biggest hospitals in the state.

While it’s important to acknowledge that the vexed and untaxed populations are not statistically equal in important factors like co-morbid ties and age, I the numbers here, in Israel and in Minnesota do clearly show that the vaccines are not equal in effectiveness.

Pfizer seems most ineffective, with protection waning very fast. That suggests that in a population that got vaccinated, those that were vaccinated first, the ones at the most risk, are now the least protected. Which brings me back to the original point; the populations are not equal.

Which doesn’t change the point that the vaccines are not living up to their hype, but you can not support by numbers that the vaccines, as a whole, are ineffective.

But they would have died harder and deader had they not been vaccinated.

I would think the next logical step would be to isolate if there is a vast majority of those people that all took one vaccine - Pfizer specifically

very reasonable analysis, IMO

Only a ZOMBIE parrot of the mass media uses the term co morbidity. See kid dead is dead and the vaccines are supposed to protect everyone

Antibody Dependent Enhancement.

From SN:
"I always get my health advise on twitter ... LOL "

Berenson has been way more accurate re: covid than just about anyone else from the beginning.

Did anyone suggest doing this?

How do you feel about the CDC web site? Do you consider that information when making a decision?

I just see citation of data pertinent to the ongoing conversation, all of which ought to be taken into consideration.

I think the point is that the vaccine doesn't work nearly as well as advertised.

Phizer is about 43% effective against the Delta strain
Moderna is about 73%
J&J ??

So with Delta, 50% vaccination rate turns into 25% effective vaccination rate with an average of 50% effectiveness. The vaccine also wears off over time. Israel has starting giving booster shots which helps, for a while anyway. So this is going to be the new normal for a long time I think.

You state that with certainty..... hmmmmm maybe you know more than everyone else?
what is your wife's position at KRMC?

Out of how many on the ship?

Compare that to the non-vaxxed cruise ship of a year and half ago.

Louis Farrakhan was too smart for them. He alerted the Black folks that Whitey was trying to kill them. Second time he's been correct lately. Last fall he told a huge audience of Blacks that Joe Biden couldn't handle the job of president and that Trump had work to do.

Vax / no vax notwithstanding........I wouldn't want your karma.

Well dipshit don't you think the actual number of people that died actually of the CCP virus only should be published?

How many does the ship hold on a cruise? ...1,500, 2,000...3,000?

The average is 3,000, so the infection rate is 0.09%. This shows the vaccine is 99% effective if you use this as an example.

Good grief. There are some who are vaccinated, and some who are not.

Of those who are vaccinated, some live and some die.

Of those who live, some live because they got the vaccine, some live despite having gotten the vaccine, and some would have lived either way because they never were infected with COVID .

Of those who die, some die because of the vaccine and some die for other reasons, including but not limited to COVID.

Likewise, of those that are not vaccinated, some live and some die.

Some live because they didn't get the vaccine, some live despite not getting the vaccine, and some live because they never were infected with COVID.

Of those who die, some die due to COVID and some die for other reasons.

Until someone can substitute valid numbers or percentages for the word "some" above, we are all flying blind. Some realize this, some don't. Either way, we are all placing our bets. Furthermore, all of the "somes" are influenced by age, overall health, etc. I respect whatever decision someone makes, but at least be aware of what you don't know.

You nailed it, IMO.

Not trying to push people either direction. This covid crap is here like it or not. I live in a small community, 40 thousand or so inhabitants! From Aug. 15 - 21st 216 cases reported. 20 patients hospitalized, three in intensive care. According to the health department 214 not vaccinated. Go figure!

That source has smoke & mirrors written all over it...

. What source .

Yep

Interesting theory. I always thought dead is dead. Would you feel any less dead because you had been vaccinated???

I spent 60 seconds and discovered that Clark County, Nevada ha an obesity rate that at 60% is about 20% higher that the national average. Less than 25% of Clark County residents get the U.S. FDA daily allowance of fruits and vegetables.

A vaccine isn't going to fix that stuff.

Take everything else in perspective.

Why is it, that only the idiots vaccinated against bolo-19, are worried about it?

Your math is correct, but what we dont know, or at least I didn't see, is the percentage of people vaccinated in this area. If 50% are vaccinated and 63% of the deaths are from vaccinated people.... then the shots are not working. On the other hand, if 90% are vaccinated and 63% of the deaths occur in this group, then the shots are working. Without knowing the percentage of vaccinated people, all the figuring in the world doesn't mean a thing. Except that over this time period 63% of the deaths were vaccinated people.

That's just exactly what I was saying.

This has been politicized, you cannot trust any of the numbers

Neither can you. Yet many here continually point to incomplete data as proof that the vaccines either prevent serious illness/death or they don't. The data presented here, even if accurate, is incomplete and proves precisely nothing without knowing the percentages of vaxed vs unvaxed in the total population of the county. That is all I'm saying.

I don't trust any of them.... I trust myself , the rest can go pound sand..... I believe in freedom, and all the risk it entails

Bully for you.

Yes and no. Certain numbers are beyond dispute. There have been numerous people that have become billionaires because of the government money firehouse aimed at Big Pharma. That’s not disputed. To paraphrase a popular saying, “money corrupts, big money corrupts absolutely”.

The vaccines have varying rates of effectiveness, and their effectiveness is waning at differing rates. That’s not disputed. The details is like arguing about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. Just people making noise because they need to hear themselves talk..

People with some consciousnesses about their health, eating well, getting their vitamin D3, C, A, zinc, selenium and others almost never see hospitals for C19. That’s not disputed. But, there’s no money in that, no doc visit required for a bottle of D3, no benefit to Big Pharma, or Big Medicine. And nobody, but absolutely NOBODY is even going to suggest that the standard of care for C19 include “eat your veggies and take D3”. It would be like one cop ticketing another; professional courtesy prevents it. Any doc that steps away from the script will be excoriated in order to keep the money flowing.

We know those numbers, close enough to make rational decisions for ourselves. But it is ALWAYS about the money, and the fear is necessary to keep the government money firehose going, and anyone trying to end the nonsense will be personally, professionally crucified.

It is ALWAYS about the money.

Good post Dutch... couldn't agree more..... D3, zinc & vitamin C is my daily routine, but unlike most I take personal responsibility for my health.... I have not had a doctor my whole life... been a couple times for anti-biotics and broke my ankle when I was 22 yrs old...other than that I avoid them,,,,

Dutch that's pretty astute thinking
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According to the news paper I read only 13% of COVID-19 deaths were fully vaccinated. In Nevada 90% of the cases have the Delta variant.

If you believe newspapers are a trusted source you are an idiot

CDC say in the week of Aug 10 2021 6 people died that had been vaccinated and 98 died in Nevada who were not vaccinated. Big difference than 63%.

That will likely change sometime in the not too distant future. You've been lucky so far. Few live to a ripe old age without developing some infirmities/disease etc.. Like you I was in good shape, very healthy and seldom saw a doctor except for stitches or casts until I hit my fifties. Then all of the sudden I have some blood work done and I'm informed I've got 3rd stage kidney disease.

He was an idiot waaay before he got to the newspaper.