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That source has smoke & mirrors written all over it...
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That source has smoke & mirrors written all over it... . What source .
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Good grief. There are some who are vaccinated, and some who are not.
Of those who are vaccinated, some live and some die.
Of those who live, some live because they got the vaccine, some live despite having gotten the vaccine, and some would have lived either way because they never were infected with COVID .
Of those who die, some die because of the vaccine and some die for other reasons, including but not limited to COVID.
Likewise, of those that are not vaccinated, some live and some die.
Some live because they didn't get the vaccine, some live despite not getting the vaccine, and some live because they never were infected with COVID.
Of those who die, some die due to COVID and some die for other reasons.
Until someone can substitute valid numbers or percentages for the word "some" above, we are all flying blind. Some realize this, some don't. Either way, we are all placing our bets. Furthermore, all of the "somes" are influenced by age, overall health, etc. I respect whatever decision someone makes, but at least be aware of what you don't know.
You nailed it, IMO. Yep
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But they would have died harder and deader had they not been vaccinated. Interesting theory. I always thought dead is dead. Would you feel any less dead because you had been vaccinated???
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I spent 60 seconds and discovered that Clark County, Nevada ha an obesity rate that at 60% is about 20% higher that the national average. Less than 25% of Clark County residents get the U.S. FDA daily allowance of fruits and vegetables.
A vaccine isn't going to fix that stuff.
Take everything else in perspective.
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Why is it, that only the idiots vaccinated against bolo-19, are worried about it?
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You'd have to know the percentage of vaxxed vs unvaxxed in the general population for it to have any meaning. Naturally if 90% of the people in the area are vaxxed {like in Isreal} then more cases/deaths are likely to be vaxxed. Your an idiot 63% of the death are fully vaccinated that is real meaning You're the fuggin idiot. If 90% of the population in the area are vaxxed, then 90% of the deaths would have to be vaxxed in order to be breaking even percentage wise with unvaxxed deaths. If 63% of the deaths are vaxxed and 63% of the population in the area are vaxxed, then the odds of death between vaxxed and unvaxxed are even because 37% were unvaxxed and they accounted for 37% of the deaths.. Of course your dumb ass won't be able to grasp that so you might better just STFU and let people with an IQ higher than that of a goldfish discuss the issue. Moron. Your math is correct, but what we dont know, or at least I didn't see, is the percentage of people vaccinated in this area. If 50% are vaccinated and 63% of the deaths are from vaccinated people.... then the shots are not working. On the other hand, if 90% are vaccinated and 63% of the deaths occur in this group, then the shots are working. Without knowing the percentage of vaccinated people, all the figuring in the world doesn't mean a thing. Except that over this time period 63% of the deaths were vaccinated people.
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You'd have to know the percentage of vaxxed vs unvaxxed in the general population for it to have any meaning. Naturally if 90% of the people in the area are vaxxed {like in Isreal} then more cases/deaths are likely to be vaxxed. Your an idiot 63% of the death are fully vaccinated that is real meaning You're the fuggin idiot. If 90% of the population in the area are vaxxed, then 90% of the deaths would have to be vaxxed in order to be breaking even percentage wise with unvaxxed deaths. If 63% of the deaths are vaxxed and 63% of the population in the area are vaxxed, then the odds of death between vaxxed and unvaxxed are even because 37% were unvaxxed and they accounted for 37% of the deaths.. Of course your dumb ass won't be able to grasp that so you might better just STFU and let people with an IQ higher than that of a goldfish discuss the issue. Moron. Your math is correct, but what we dont know, or at least I didn't see, is the percentage of people vaccinated in this area. If 50% are vaccinated and 63% of the deaths are from vaccinated people.... then the shots are not working. On the other hand, if 90% are vaccinated and 63% of the deaths occur in this group, then the shots are working. Without knowing the percentage of vaccinated people, all the figuring in the world doesn't mean a thing. Except that over this time period 63% of the deaths were vaccinated people. That's just exactly what I was saying.
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You'd have to know the percentage of vaxxed vs unvaxxed in the general population for it to have any meaning. Naturally if 90% of the people in the area are vaxxed {like in Isreal} then more cases/deaths are likely to be vaxxed. Your an idiot 63% of the death are fully vaccinated that is real meaning You're the fuggin idiot. If 90% of the population in the area are vaxxed, then 90% of the deaths would have to be vaxxed in order to be breaking even percentage wise with unvaxxed deaths. If 63% of the deaths are vaxxed and 63% of the population in the area are vaxxed, then the odds of death between vaxxed and unvaxxed are even because 37% were unvaxxed and they accounted for 37% of the deaths.. Of course your dumb ass won't be able to grasp that so you might better just STFU and let people with an IQ higher than that of a goldfish discuss the issue. Moron. Your math is correct, but what we dont know, or at least I didn't see, is the percentage of people vaccinated in this area. If 50% are vaccinated and 63% of the deaths are from vaccinated people.... then the shots are not working. On the other hand, if 90% are vaccinated and 63% of the deaths occur in this group, then the shots are working. Without knowing the percentage of vaccinated people, all the figuring in the world doesn't mean a thing. Except that over this time period 63% of the deaths were vaccinated people. That's just exactly what I was saying. This has been politicized, you cannot trust any of the numbers
Originally Posted by Judman
PS, if you think Trump is “good” you’re way stupider than I thought! Haha
Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
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You'd have to know the percentage of vaxxed vs unvaxxed in the general population for it to have any meaning. Naturally if 90% of the people in the area are vaxxed {like in Isreal} then more cases/deaths are likely to be vaxxed. Your an idiot 63% of the death are fully vaccinated that is real meaning You're the fuggin idiot. If 90% of the population in the area are vaxxed, then 90% of the deaths would have to be vaxxed in order to be breaking even percentage wise with unvaxxed deaths. If 63% of the deaths are vaxxed and 63% of the population in the area are vaxxed, then the odds of death between vaxxed and unvaxxed are even because 37% were unvaxxed and they accounted for 37% of the deaths.. Of course your dumb ass won't be able to grasp that so you might better just STFU and let people with an IQ higher than that of a goldfish discuss the issue. Moron. Your math is correct, but what we dont know, or at least I didn't see, is the percentage of people vaccinated in this area. If 50% are vaccinated and 63% of the deaths are from vaccinated people.... then the shots are not working. On the other hand, if 90% are vaccinated and 63% of the deaths occur in this group, then the shots are working. Without knowing the percentage of vaccinated people, all the figuring in the world doesn't mean a thing. Except that over this time period 63% of the deaths were vaccinated people. That's just exactly what I was saying. This has been politicized, you cannot trust any of the numbers Neither can you. Yet many here continually point to incomplete data as proof that the vaccines either prevent serious illness/death or they don't. The data presented here, even if accurate, is incomplete and proves precisely nothing without knowing the percentages of vaxed vs unvaxed in the total population of the county. That is all I'm saying.
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You'd have to know the percentage of vaxxed vs unvaxxed in the general population for it to have any meaning. Naturally if 90% of the people in the area are vaxxed {like in Isreal} then more cases/deaths are likely to be vaxxed. Your an idiot 63% of the death are fully vaccinated that is real meaning You're the fuggin idiot. If 90% of the population in the area are vaxxed, then 90% of the deaths would have to be vaxxed in order to be breaking even percentage wise with unvaxxed deaths. If 63% of the deaths are vaxxed and 63% of the population in the area are vaxxed, then the odds of death between vaxxed and unvaxxed are even because 37% were unvaxxed and they accounted for 37% of the deaths.. Of course your dumb ass won't be able to grasp that so you might better just STFU and let people with an IQ higher than that of a goldfish discuss the issue. Moron. Your math is correct, but what we dont know, or at least I didn't see, is the percentage of people vaccinated in this area. If 50% are vaccinated and 63% of the deaths are from vaccinated people.... then the shots are not working. On the other hand, if 90% are vaccinated and 63% of the deaths occur in this group, then the shots are working. Without knowing the percentage of vaccinated people, all the figuring in the world doesn't mean a thing. Except that over this time period 63% of the deaths were vaccinated people. That's just exactly what I was saying. This has been politicized, you cannot trust any of the numbers Neither can you. Yet many here continually point to incomplete data as proof that the vaccines either prevent serious illness/death or they don't. The data presented here, even if accurate, is incomplete without knowing the percentages of vaxed vs unvaxed in the total population of the county. That is all I'm saying. I don't trust any of them.... I trust myself , the rest can go pound sand..... I believe in freedom, and all the risk it entails
Originally Posted by Judman
PS, if you think Trump is “good” you’re way stupider than I thought! Haha
Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
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You'd have to know the percentage of vaxxed vs unvaxxed in the general population for it to have any meaning. Naturally if 90% of the people in the area are vaxxed {like in Isreal} then more cases/deaths are likely to be vaxxed. Your an idiot 63% of the death are fully vaccinated that is real meaning You're the fuggin idiot. If 90% of the population in the area are vaxxed, then 90% of the deaths would have to be vaxxed in order to be breaking even percentage wise with unvaxxed deaths. If 63% of the deaths are vaxxed and 63% of the population in the area are vaxxed, then the odds of death between vaxxed and unvaxxed are even because 37% were unvaxxed and they accounted for 37% of the deaths.. Of course your dumb ass won't be able to grasp that so you might better just STFU and let people with an IQ higher than that of a goldfish discuss the issue. Moron. Your math is correct, but what we dont know, or at least I didn't see, is the percentage of people vaccinated in this area. If 50% are vaccinated and 63% of the deaths are from vaccinated people.... then the shots are not working. On the other hand, if 90% are vaccinated and 63% of the deaths occur in this group, then the shots are working. Without knowing the percentage of vaccinated people, all the figuring in the world doesn't mean a thing. Except that over this time period 63% of the deaths were vaccinated people. That's just exactly what I was saying. This has been politicized, you cannot trust any of the numbers Neither can you. Yet many here continually point to incomplete data as proof that the vaccines either prevent serious illness/death or they don't. The data presented here, even if accurate, is incomplete without knowing the percentages of vaxed vs unvaxed in the total population of the county. That is all I'm saying. I don't trust any of them.... I trust myself , the rest can go pound sand..... I believe in freedom, and all the risk it entails Bully for you.
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You'd have to know the percentage of vaxxed vs unvaxxed in the general population for it to have any meaning. Naturally if 90% of the people in the area are vaxxed {like in Isreal} then more cases/deaths are likely to be vaxxed. Your an idiot 63% of the death are fully vaccinated that is real meaning You're the fuggin idiot. If 90% of the population in the area are vaxxed, then 90% of the deaths would have to be vaxxed in order to be breaking even percentage wise with unvaxxed deaths. If 63% of the deaths are vaxxed and 63% of the population in the area are vaxxed, then the odds of death between vaxxed and unvaxxed are even because 37% were unvaxxed and they accounted for 37% of the deaths.. Of course your dumb ass won't be able to grasp that so you might better just STFU and let people with an IQ higher than that of a goldfish discuss the issue. Moron. Your math is correct, but what we dont know, or at least I didn't see, is the percentage of people vaccinated in this area. If 50% are vaccinated and 63% of the deaths are from vaccinated people.... then the shots are not working. On the other hand, if 90% are vaccinated and 63% of the deaths occur in this group, then the shots are working. Without knowing the percentage of vaccinated people, all the figuring in the world doesn't mean a thing. Except that over this time period 63% of the deaths were vaccinated people. That's just exactly what I was saying. This has been politicized, you cannot trust any of the numbers Yes and no. Certain numbers are beyond dispute. There have been numerous people that have become billionaires because of the government money firehouse aimed at Big Pharma. That’s not disputed. To paraphrase a popular saying, “money corrupts, big money corrupts absolutely”. The vaccines have varying rates of effectiveness, and their effectiveness is waning at differing rates. That’s not disputed. The details is like arguing about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. Just people making noise because they need to hear themselves talk.. People with some consciousnesses about their health, eating well, getting their vitamin D3, C, A, zinc, selenium and others almost never see hospitals for C19. That’s not disputed. But, there’s no money in that, no doc visit required for a bottle of D3, no benefit to Big Pharma, or Big Medicine. And nobody, but absolutely NOBODY is even going to suggest that the standard of care for C19 include “eat your veggies and take D3”. It would be like one cop ticketing another; professional courtesy prevents it. Any doc that steps away from the script will be excoriated in order to keep the money flowing. We know those numbers, close enough to make rational decisions for ourselves. But it is ALWAYS about the money, and the fear is necessary to keep the government money firehose going, and anyone trying to end the nonsense will be personally, professionally crucified. It is ALWAYS about the money.
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You'd have to know the percentage of vaxxed vs unvaxxed in the general population for it to have any meaning. Naturally if 90% of the people in the area are vaxxed {like in Isreal} then more cases/deaths are likely to be vaxxed. Your an idiot 63% of the death are fully vaccinated that is real meaning You're the fuggin idiot. If 90% of the population in the area are vaxxed, then 90% of the deaths would have to be vaxxed in order to be breaking even percentage wise with unvaxxed deaths. If 63% of the deaths are vaxxed and 63% of the population in the area are vaxxed, then the odds of death between vaxxed and unvaxxed are even because 37% were unvaxxed and they accounted for 37% of the deaths.. Of course your dumb ass won't be able to grasp that so you might better just STFU and let people with an IQ higher than that of a goldfish discuss the issue. Moron. Your math is correct, but what we dont know, or at least I didn't see, is the percentage of people vaccinated in this area. If 50% are vaccinated and 63% of the deaths are from vaccinated people.... then the shots are not working. On the other hand, if 90% are vaccinated and 63% of the deaths occur in this group, then the shots are working. Without knowing the percentage of vaccinated people, all the figuring in the world doesn't mean a thing. Except that over this time period 63% of the deaths were vaccinated people. That's just exactly what I was saying. This has been politicized, you cannot trust any of the numbers Yes and no. Certain numbers are beyond dispute. There have been numerous people that have become billionaires because of the government money firehouse aimed at Big Pharma. That’s not disputed. To paraphrase a popular saying, “money corrupts, big money corrupts absolutely”. The vaccines have varying rates of effectiveness, and their effectiveness is waning at differing rates. That’s not disputed. The details is like arguing about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. Just people making noise because they need to hear themselves talk.. People with some consciousnesses about their health, eating well, getting their vitamin D3, C, A, zinc, selenium and others almost never see hospitals for C19. That’s not disputed. But, there’s no money in that, no doc visit required for a bottle of D3, no benefit to Big Pharma, or Big Medicine. And nobody, but absolutely NOBODY is even going to suggest that the standard of care for C19 include “eat your veggies and take D3”. It would be like one cop ticketing another; professional courtesy prevents it. Any doc that steps away from the script will be excoriated in order to keep the money flowing. We know those numbers, close enough to make rational decisions for ourselves. But it is ALWAYS about the money, and the fear is necessary to keep the government money firehose going, and anyone trying to end the nonsense will be personally, professionally crucified. It is ALWAYS about the money. Good post Dutch... couldn't agree more..... D3, zinc & vitamin C is my daily routine, but unlike most I take personal responsibility for my health.... I have not had a doctor my whole life... been a couple times for anti-biotics and broke my ankle when I was 22 yrs old...other than that I avoid them,,,, 
Originally Posted by Judman
PS, if you think Trump is “good” you’re way stupider than I thought! Haha
Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
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Dutch that's pretty astute thinking
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Ecc 10:2
The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the left.
A Nation which leaves God behind is soon left behind.
"The Lord never asked anyone to be a tax collector, lowyer, or Redskins fan".
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According to the news paper I read only 13% of COVID-19 deaths were fully vaccinated. In Nevada 90% of the cases have the Delta variant.
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According to the news paper I read only 13% of COVID-19 deaths were fully vaccinated. In Nevada 90% of the cases have the Delta variant. If you believe newspapers are a trusted source you are an idiot
Originally Posted by Judman
PS, if you think Trump is “good” you’re way stupider than I thought! Haha
Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
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CDC say in the week of Aug 10 2021 6 people died that had been vaccinated and 98 died in Nevada who were not vaccinated. Big difference than 63%.
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You'd have to know the percentage of vaxxed vs unvaxxed in the general population for it to have any meaning. Naturally if 90% of the people in the area are vaxxed {like in Isreal} then more cases/deaths are likely to be vaxxed. Your an idiot 63% of the death are fully vaccinated that is real meaning You're the fuggin idiot. If 90% of the population in the area are vaxxed, then 90% of the deaths would have to be vaxxed in order to be breaking even percentage wise with unvaxxed deaths. If 63% of the deaths are vaxxed and 63% of the population in the area are vaxxed, then the odds of death between vaxxed and unvaxxed are even because 37% were unvaxxed and they accounted for 37% of the deaths.. Of course your dumb ass won't be able to grasp that so you might better just STFU and let people with an IQ higher than that of a goldfish discuss the issue. Moron. Your math is correct, but what we dont know, or at least I didn't see, is the percentage of people vaccinated in this area. If 50% are vaccinated and 63% of the deaths are from vaccinated people.... then the shots are not working. On the other hand, if 90% are vaccinated and 63% of the deaths occur in this group, then the shots are working. Without knowing the percentage of vaccinated people, all the figuring in the world doesn't mean a thing. Except that over this time period 63% of the deaths were vaccinated people. That's just exactly what I was saying. This has been politicized, you cannot trust any of the numbers Yes and no. Certain numbers are beyond dispute. There have been numerous people that have become billionaires because of the government money firehouse aimed at Big Pharma. That’s not disputed. To paraphrase a popular saying, “money corrupts, big money corrupts absolutely”. The vaccines have varying rates of effectiveness, and their effectiveness is waning at differing rates. That’s not disputed. The details is like arguing about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. Just people making noise because they need to hear themselves talk.. People with some consciousnesses about their health, eating well, getting their vitamin D3, C, A, zinc, selenium and others almost never see hospitals for C19. That’s not disputed. But, there’s no money in that, no doc visit required for a bottle of D3, no benefit to Big Pharma, or Big Medicine. And nobody, but absolutely NOBODY is even going to suggest that the standard of care for C19 include “eat your veggies and take D3”. It would be like one cop ticketing another; professional courtesy prevents it. Any doc that steps away from the script will be excoriated in order to keep the money flowing. We know those numbers, close enough to make rational decisions for ourselves. But it is ALWAYS about the money, and the fear is necessary to keep the government money firehose going, and anyone trying to end the nonsense will be personally, professionally crucified. It is ALWAYS about the money. Good post Dutch... couldn't agree more..... D3, zinc & vitamin C is my daily routine, but unlike most I take personal responsibility for my health.... I have not had a doctor my whole life... been a couple times for anti-biotics and broke my ankle when I was 22 yrs old...other than that I avoid them,,,, That will likely change sometime in the not too distant future. You've been lucky so far. Few live to a ripe old age without developing some infirmities/disease etc.. Like you I was in good shape, very healthy and seldom saw a doctor except for stitches or casts until I hit my fifties. Then all of the sudden I have some blood work done and I'm informed I've got 3rd stage kidney disease.
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