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Here it's low single percentage on those hospitalized with full complement of vaccine. I've been getting some daily census data from some of the biggest hospitals in the state.
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While it’s important to acknowledge that the vexed and untaxed populations are not statistically equal in important factors like co-morbid ties and age, I the numbers here, in Israel and in Minnesota do clearly show that the vaccines are not equal in effectiveness.
Pfizer seems most ineffective, with protection waning very fast. That suggests that in a population that got vaccinated, those that were vaccinated first, the ones at the most risk, are now the least protected. Which brings me back to the original point; the populations are not equal.
Which doesn’t change the point that the vaccines are not living up to their hype, but you can not support by numbers that the vaccines, as a whole, are ineffective.
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But they would have died harder and deader had they not been vaccinated.
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I would think the next logical step would be to isolate if there is a vast majority of those people that all took one vaccine - Pfizer specifically
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While it’s important to acknowledge that the vexed and untaxed populations are not statistically equal in important factors like co-morbid ties and age, I the numbers here, in Israel and in Minnesota do clearly show that the vaccines are not equal in effectiveness.
Pfizer seems most ineffective, with protection waning very fast. That suggests that in a population that got vaccinated, those that were vaccinated first, the ones at the most risk, are now the least protected. Which brings me back to the original point; the populations are not equal.
Which doesn’t change the point that the vaccines are not living up to their hype, but you can not support by numbers that the vaccines, as a whole, are ineffective. very reasonable analysis, IMO
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The rest of the deaths,most likely,had co-morbidities and were called covid deaths to collect the government bounty. Only a ZOMBIE parrot of the mass media uses the term co morbidity. See kid dead is dead and the vaccines are supposed to protect everyone
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While it’s important to acknowledge that the vexed and untaxed populations are not statistically equal in important factors like co-morbid ties and age, I the numbers here, in Israel and in Minnesota do clearly show that the vaccines are not equal in effectiveness.
Pfizer seems most ineffective, with protection waning very fast. That suggests that in a population that got vaccinated, those that were vaccinated first, the ones at the most risk, are now the least protected. Which brings me back to the original point; the populations are not equal.
Which doesn’t change the point that the vaccines are not living up to their hype, but you can not support by numbers that the vaccines, as a whole, are ineffective. Antibody Dependent Enhancement.
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From SN: "I always get my health advise on twitter ... LOL "
Berenson has been way more accurate re: covid than just about anyone else from the beginning.
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I always get my health advise on twitter ... LOL
Did anyone suggest doing this? How do you feel about the CDC web site? Do you consider that information when making a decision? I just see citation of data pertinent to the ongoing conversation, all of which ought to be taken into consideration.
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I think the point is that the vaccine doesn't work nearly as well as advertised.
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I think the point is that the vaccine doesn't work nearly as well as advertised. Phizer is about 43% effective against the Delta strain Moderna is about 73% J&J ?? So with Delta, 50% vaccination rate turns into 25% effective vaccination rate with an average of 50% effectiveness. The vaccine also wears off over time. Israel has starting giving booster shots which helps, for a while anyway. So this is going to be the new normal for a long time I think.
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I think the point is that the vaccine doesn't work nearly as well as advertised. Phizer is about 43% effective against the Delta strain Moderna is about 73% J&J ?? So with Delta, 50% vaccination rate turns into 25% effective vaccination rate with an average of 50% effectiveness. The vaccine also wears off over time. Israel has starting giving booster shots which helps, for a while anyway. So this is going to be the new normal for a long time I think. You state that with certainty..... hmmmmm maybe you know more than everyone else? what is your wife's position at KRMC?
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Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
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I have no clue what to think or who to believe. Gateway Pundit tonite says they had 27 positives and one death on a 100% vaccinated Carnival cruise ship. Not a very high recommendation for the pokes. Out of how many on the ship? Compare that to the non-vaxxed cruise ship of a year and half ago.
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Soros and Gates wanted to finally exterminate the jews and they will succeed . They wanted to kill black folk off for good but they just ain’t vaxing Louis Farrakhan was too smart for them. He alerted the Black folks that Whitey was trying to kill them. Second time he's been correct lately. Last fall he told a huge audience of Blacks that Joe Biden couldn't handle the job of president and that Trump had work to do.
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Man, less traffic by next year, mo betta odds in the hunting lotteries Vax / no vax notwithstanding........I wouldn't want your karma.
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You'd have to know the percentage of vaxxed vs unvaxxed in the general population for it to have any meaning. Naturally if 90% of the people in the area are vaxxed {like in Isreal} then more cases/deaths are likely to be vaxxed. Your an idiot 63% of the death are fully vaccinated that is real meaning You're the fuggin idiot. If 90% of the population in the area are vaxxed, then 90% of the deaths would have to be vaxxed in order to be breaking even percentage wise with unvaxxed deaths. If 63% of the deaths are vaxxed and 63% of the population in the area are vaxxed, then the odds of death between vaxxed and unvaxxed are even because 37% were unvaxxed and they accounted for 37% of the deaths.. Of course your dumb ass won't be able to grasp that so you might better just STFU and let people with an IQ higher than that of a goldfish discuss the issue. Moron. Well dipshit don't you think the actual number of people that died actually of the CCP virus only should be published?
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I have no clue what to think or who to believe. Gateway Pundit tonite says they had 27 positives and one death on a 100% vaccinated Carnival cruise ship. Not a very high recommendation for the pokes. How many does the ship hold on a cruise? ...1,500, 2,000...3,000? The average is 3,000, so the infection rate is 0.09%. This shows the vaccine is 99% effective if you use this as an example.
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Good grief. There are some who are vaccinated, and some who are not.
Of those who are vaccinated, some live and some die.
Of those who live, some live because they got the vaccine, some live despite having gotten the vaccine, and some would have lived either way because they never were infected with COVID .
Of those who die, some die because of the vaccine and some die for other reasons, including but not limited to COVID.
Likewise, of those that are not vaccinated, some live and some die.
Some live because they didn't get the vaccine, some live despite not getting the vaccine, and some live because they never were infected with COVID.
Of those who die, some die due to COVID and some die for other reasons.
Until someone can substitute valid numbers or percentages for the word "some" above, we are all flying blind. Some realize this, some don't. Either way, we are all placing our bets. Furthermore, all of the "somes" are influenced by age, overall health, etc. I respect whatever decision someone makes, but at least be aware of what you don't know.
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Good grief. There are some who are vaccinated, and some who are not.
Of those who are vaccinated, some live and some die.
Of those who live, some live because they got the vaccine, some live despite having gotten the vaccine, and some would have lived either way because they never were infected with COVID .
Of those who die, some die because of the vaccine and some die for other reasons, including but not limited to COVID.
Likewise, of those that are not vaccinated, some live and some die.
Some live because they didn't get the vaccine, some live despite not getting the vaccine, and some live because they never were infected with COVID.
Of those who die, some die due to COVID and some die for other reasons.
Until someone can substitute valid numbers or percentages for the word "some" above, we are all flying blind. Some realize this, some don't. Either way, we are all placing our bets. Furthermore, all of the "somes" are influenced by age, overall health, etc. I respect whatever decision someone makes, but at least be aware of what you don't know.
You nailed it, IMO.
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Not trying to push people either direction. This covid crap is here like it or not. I live in a small community, 40 thousand or so inhabitants! From Aug. 15 - 21st 216 cases reported. 20 patients hospitalized, three in intensive care. According to the health department 214 not vaccinated. Go figure!
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